$900B Defense Spending Bill passed

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Helicopter Ben
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BigRobSA said:

While it's one of the few actually constitutional powers/jobs granted to the FedGov, we spend way too much. Last time I checked, we spend more than the next 17 other countries combined .That's ridiculous. We need to quit being everyone's policeman.

Is there anything the fedgov doesn't spend way too much on? At this point, I don't understand how the system is still standing. Considering that there's zero chance govt corrects course, collapse is a certainty. The only question is in what form it comes. IMO that will most likely be collapse of the USD which appears to be well in motion.
LOYAL AG
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CDUB98 said:

I'm damned sick and tired of the US being involved in everyone else's grab ass conflicts.


This will exist as long as the USD is the global reserve currency and that will exist as long as global trade exists. We have built a world wholly dependent on us to maintain security as a means of propping up the global economy. This isn't changing anytime soon.
bmks270
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Hoyt Ag said:

CDUB98 said:

I'm damned sick and tired of the US being involved in everyone else's grab ass conflicts.

BUT BUT BUT 400M is just a rounding error in the grand scheme of things!!


Support has gone from starting with a B to an M.
YouBet
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LOYAL AG said:

CDUB98 said:

I'm damned sick and tired of the US being involved in everyone else's grab ass conflicts.


This will exist as long as the USD is the global reserve currency and that will exist as long as global trade exists. We have built a world wholly dependent on us to maintain security as a means of propping up the global economy. This isn't changing anytime soon.


My only caveat to this is that Bretton Woods is certainly retreating at least to some degree under Trump with his focus now in the Americas. Of course, the next Democrat will simply come along and cancel that focus, open up our borders again, and try to refocus everything back to Europe to distract us the home land away from the barbarians at the gates.

Counterpoint to that is how long we can afford to actually police the oceans. We are running out of financial highway on that and there are no tailwinds to help.
nortex97
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Hoyt Ag said:

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-$400 million for Ukraine security assistance.



Per DDG Assist it's really for sales, not mandatory funding/weapons to Kiev.
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Overview of the $900 Billion Defense Spending Bill
The recently passed $900 billion National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2026 includes provisions for military aid to Ukraine but does not mandate the President to allocate new funding directly.
Key Provisions Regarding Ukraine
Military Aid
  • The bill authorizes $400 million per year in military aid to Ukraine through the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) for fiscal years 2026 and 2027.
  • It allows the Pentagon to supply arms to Ukraine via contracts with U.S. defense companies.
Limitations on Troop Reductions
  • The legislation restricts the President from reducing the number of U.S. troops stationed in Europe below 76,000 for more than 45 days.
Funding Mechanism
  • The bill does not require the President to use the Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) for new defense aid packages, which was commonly used by the previous administration.
  • Instead, it emphasizes selling arms to NATO partners, who then distribute them to Ukraine.
Conclusion
While the NDAA supports military aid to Ukraine, it does not compel the President to provide direct funding, reflecting a shift in how military support is structured.

The PDA is what Biden(*) really abused, and I suspect that is over through at least Jan 2029 now.

About right. We are finally properly focusing on things like buying frigates/fighters/bombers/ships etc. for…the US Department of War.
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That's good news!
LOYAL AG
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YouBet said:

LOYAL AG said:

CDUB98 said:

I'm damned sick and tired of the US being involved in everyone else's grab ass conflicts.


This will exist as long as the USD is the global reserve currency and that will exist as long as global trade exists. We have built a world wholly dependent on us to maintain security as a means of propping up the global economy. This isn't changing anytime soon.


My only caveat to this is that Bretton Woods is certainly retreating at least to some degree under Trump with his focus now in the Americas. Of course, the next Democrat will simply come along and cancel that focus, open up our borders again, and try to refocus everything back to Europe to distract us the home land away from the barbarians at the gates.

Counterpoint to that is how long we can afford to actually police the oceans. We are running out of financial highway on that and there are no tailwinds to help.


I have mixed emotions on where we go from here. China is in a really bad place with regard to having the population to continue being the worlds #1 manufacturer. On the other hand there's nowhere else for that production to go without significant investment in infrastructure to automate what they do manually. I think as long as Asia dominates manufacturing like that region currently does then globalization is a fact of life. At a minimum TSSS has to become a U.S. based operation and we have to become the #1 supplier of electronics globally. That sounds great on TexAgs but it's a really heavy lift in the real world.

I'm honestly not as worried about the U.S. debt as most around here are for three reasons.

First, simply put there's not another option. The world runs on dollars and the dollar is propped up by Treasuries. And the Navy. You don't have to do business with us but if you do that's how it's done.

Second, the boomers retirement will be mostly behind us in 20 years and I like to think that as we approach that timeframe we'll see an easing of the deficit spending being generated by their demands on Social Security and Medicare. That may be wrong but I think it makes sense mathematically.

Third, the dollar isn't traded against gold or any other commodity. It's traded against other currencies and all other currencies are managed worse than the dollar so if a major bondholder were to cash out where do they take their investment? Theres just nothing else at the scale Treasuries exist at.

To be clear I'm not cheerleading for the current system but I'm also not fearful of a collapse. Love us or hate us the world needs to US in its current role to maintain their own way of life. We're the only nation that can completely retreat and be fine. Thats why China has bought so many of our politicians, they know they're entirely dependent on us staying engaged.
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LOYAL AG said:

YouBet said:

LOYAL AG said:

CDUB98 said:

I'm damned sick and tired of the US being involved in everyone else's grab ass conflicts.


This will exist as long as the USD is the global reserve currency and that will exist as long as global trade exists. We have built a world wholly dependent on us to maintain security as a means of propping up the global economy. This isn't changing anytime soon.


My only caveat to this is that Bretton Woods is certainly retreating at least to some degree under Trump with his focus now in the Americas. Of course, the next Democrat will simply come along and cancel that focus, open up our borders again, and try to refocus everything back to Europe to distract us the home land away from the barbarians at the gates.

Counterpoint to that is how long we can afford to actually police the oceans. We are running out of financial highway on that and there are no tailwinds to help.


I have mixed emotions on where we go from here. China is in a really bad place with regard to having the population to continue being the worlds #1 manufacturer. On the other hand there's nowhere else for that production to go without significant investment in infrastructure to automate what they do manually. I think as long as Asia dominates manufacturing like that region currently does then globalization is a fact of life. At a minimum TSSS has to become a U.S. based operation and we have to become the #1 supplier of electronics globally. That sounds great on TexAgs but it's a really heavy lift in the real world.

I'm honestly not as worried about the U.S. debt as most around here are for three reasons.

First, simply put there's not another option. The world runs on dollars and the dollar is propped up by Treasuries. And the Navy. You don't have to do business with us but if you do that's how it's done.

Second, the boomers retirement will be mostly behind us in 20 years and I like to think that as we approach that timeframe we'll see an easing of the deficit spending being generated by their demands on Social Security and Medicare. That may be wrong but I think it makes sense mathematically.

Third, the dollar isn't traded against gold or any other commodity. It's traded against other currencies and all other currencies are managed worse than the dollar so if a major bondholder were to cash out where do they take their investment? Theres just nothing else at the scale Treasuries exist at.

To be clear I'm not cheerleading for the current system but I'm also not fearful of a collapse. Love us or hate us the world needs to US in its current role to maintain their own way of life. We're the only nation that can completely retreat and be fine. Thats why China has bought so many of our politicians, they know they're entirely dependent on us staying engaged.

Valid points but I'll disagree with the bold simply because of pessimism and complete lack of faith in our government. That spending will be replaced or added to with other welfare - UBI and/or UHC.

Our tax burden and deficits aren't going anywhere IMO.
5Amp
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STOP complaining about money to Ukraine, at least Ukraine has figured out how to stop third world countries from invading.
USAFAg
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5Amp said:

STOP complaining about money to Ukraine, at least Ukraine has figured out how to stop third world countries from invading.
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