For those who've been watching policy unfold in these states, that would be a big "duh!"

This report summarizes it with images below showing the clear correlation between green energy policy and the cost of electricity. So far, this is largely a state issue. Let's keep the feds from bringing California policy to Texas.

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Electricity affordability is a function of state-level policy choices. States that have embraced aggressive renewable mandates, 100% "carbon-free" targets, premature coal and nuclear retirements, rooftop-solar cost shifting, and restrictions on natural gas infrastructure routinely deliver the nation's highest electricity prices. California and New York, the poster children for this approach, now charge their residents and businesses significantly more than the national average, with price increases that have consistently outpaced the rest of the country.

In contrast, states that have prioritized dispatchable, affordable generation consistently deliver the lowest electricity prices. Florida keeps rates below the national average despite near-universal air conditioning demand and frequent hurricanes. Louisiana enjoys the third-lowest rates in the nation while utilizing its abundant natural gas resources. Both states have done so under sustained Republican governance that has largely rejected the renewable mandate model.

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https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/blue-states-high-rates/

Who would have ever thought that more gov't oppression leads to higher costs?

And stupid liberals keep voting for this nonsense. This chart proves it doesn't have to be that way.

The left would love to force all of us to share their misplaced misery just so they can feel like they're doing something for a problem that doesn't really exist. It's the height of insanity.

Are those electric rate maps or electoral college maps?

A small price to pay for saving Mother Earth

Many of those states that wanted to abandon coal are learning real ****ing fast that they don't have alternate power sources/can't build them fast enough or rolling mass to keep the grid stable. Now, they are having to quietly and as secretly as they can to appease the rope smokers, to extend the life of the coal fleets. Gee, if only smart people had seen this coming. Eye roll...

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Are those electric rate maps or electoral college maps?

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Electric rate maps in the top map.

A map of states that implemented green policies in the bottom map.

Benny the Jet Rodriguez said:

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I worked for a utility that had several nukes in the northeast. We shut them down because they essentially forced us to by taxing us to death and fighting hard against everything we did. We left and they complained that their schools were no longer funded and unemployment and electricity prices both went up and power became less reliable. They are too stupid to realize it was a direct result of their own actions.

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Same with DEI, 3rd world import of dumbasses. All cost libs.
Stupid is a good description!

I posted some actual percentages of what these blue states are paying compared to others in another thread.

The funny things is that some of these blue states have finally recognized their folly - notably California, Pennsylvania, and New York are all reversing course on their green energy mandates because reality has kicked them in the balls. Now it's just a matter of if they did so too late.

MemphisAg1 said:

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For those who've been watching policy unfold in these states, that would be a big "duh!"

This report summarizes it with images below showing the clear correlation between green energy policy and the cost of electricity. So far, this is largely a state issue. Let's keep the feds from bringing California policy to Texas.

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Electricity affordability is a function of state-level policy choices. States that have embraced aggressive renewable mandates, 100% "carbon-free" targets, premature coal and nuclear retirements, rooftop-solar cost shifting, and restrictions on natural gas infrastructure routinely deliver the nation's highest electricity prices. California and New York, the poster children for this approach, now charge their residents and businesses significantly more than the national average, with price increases that have consistently outpaced the rest of the country.

In contrast, states that have prioritized dispatchable, affordable generation consistently deliver the lowest electricity prices. Florida keeps rates below the national average despite near-universal air conditioning demand and frequent hurricanes. Louisiana enjoys the third-lowest rates in the nation while utilizing its abundant natural gas resources. Both states have done so under sustained Republican governance that has largely rejected the renewable mandate model.

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https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/blue-states-high-rates/

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Not saying liberal policies dont contribute to higher prices, but geography and population density play a big role to.

It is going to be more expensive to build and operate a natural gas plant in New England region then in texas. Gas prices are more volatile. Cost of land and water are higher.

Maybe, but these states have removed mainline production and blocked new production for years now. Limiting production is a much greater impact to price than what you posted. That's why California is throwing hail Mary's all over the place right now to try and keep their remaining O&G production online. Likely too late for them.

Benny the Jet Rodriguez said:

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I worked for a utility that had several nukes in the northeast. We shut them down because they essentially forced us to by taxing us to death and fighting hard against everything we did. We left and they complained that their schools were no longer funded and unemployment and electricity prices both went up and power became less reliable. They are too stupid to realize it was a direct result of their own actions.

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The answer is simple- more government regulation and socialism. It just hasn't been done correctly yet. It will almost certainly work this time.

/libs/

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Not saying liberal policies dont contribute to higher prices, but geography and population density play a big role to..

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There are plenty of high density areas in those red states... Houston, DFW, SA-Austin, New Orleans, Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Orlando, Kansas City, STL, Memphis, etc. Population density also allows for more efficient distribution than wide open rural areas where you have to invest much more in distribution to customers.

California is a different case then the northeast. But the pipeline issues there are self inflicted in part. End of the day they dont have any production and they do have a sizeable amount of storage. Now how much storage is the economical right amount is a tough question.
Mild winter and you use millions and are paying for unneeded capacity. Polar Vortex, not enough storage and prices are capped out.

1) Blue states have higher costs of almost everything compared to red states due to state-level liberal regulation policies.

2) Every state has higher costs of almost everything compared to the optimum due to federal-level liberal regulation policies.

3) Texas has the highest percentage of renewal energy in the nation, even more so if you count nukes. Since we are one of the few states pushing new nukes, that % will increase. It's not due to state policies, but a combination of federal incentives paired with a big chunk of land where the most valuable commodity is the wind that blows across the land covered in nothing but rattlesnakes, prairie dogs, and tumbleweeds.

4) The fact that Texas is leading the nation in renewable energy even though we have very few regulations just goes to show you that state-level regulation of renewable energy is value destructive.

5) The fact that Texas has such a high proportion of the stack in renewable energy just goes to show you that enterprising minds will always game any legislation passed by the government to enrich themselves, which is one of the reason government works so horribly. You get what you are measuring, but you almost always get it in a way that was not the way that was intended. Usually what you are measuring is supposed to be a proxy for something good. That almost never works out that way.

6) That said, nukes should get energy tax credits equal to wind, solar, hydro or geothermal. There is no legitimate argument against said policy that is intellectually honest.

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I posted some actual percentages of what these blue states are paying compared to others in another thread.

The funny things is that some of these blue states have finally recognized their folly - notably California, Pennsylvania, and New York are all reversing course on their green energy mandates because reality has kicked them in the balls. Now it's just a matter of if they did so too late.

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Please let it be too late!

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Maybe, but these states have removed mainline production and blocked new production for years now. Limiting production is a much greater impact to price than what you posted. That's why California is throwing hail Mary's all over the place right now to try and keep their remaining O&G production online. Likely too late for them.

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Its too late. There was a video on another thread, 2 refineries shutting down, another brew up. If they lose any capacity (and they will) or if shipments are delayed (and they will be) prices will fluctuate.

They couldn't even get anyone else to take over one of the plants even with state subsidies because the business climate is so toxic.

Just paid last months electricity bill.....$57.00 in a 2700 sf home. Live outside San Antonio.

Sharpshooter said:

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Just paid last months electricity bill.....$57.00 in a 2700 sf home.

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Lucky. You have that fancy foam insulation?

Sharpshooter said:

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Just paid last months electricity bill.....$57.00 in a 2700 sf home. Live outside San Antonio.

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That's excellent. Mine is $162 for a 4k SF home. I shudder when I hear of others' bills.

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the rope smokers

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Least surprising news I've seen today.