Well obviously they should just mount a diesel generator on top of the bus to create some heat/improve range.

Pendejos del Notre!

Owlagdad said:

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Pendejos del Notre!

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Why you throwing that French **** in that sentence?

Jack Squat 83 said:

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Who needs heaters.

Dems: You WILL buy electric school buses to save the planet for your New York children.

Parents: Our children are freezing to death going to school because the heaters drain the batteries.

Democrats are so dumb and this virtue-signaling can be expensive for the taxpayers, so no biggie. I'm sure they weren't cheap but then again a Dem likely got a kickback anyway. I thought I heard the bus manufacturers went bankrupt after they got their Biden bucks but could be wrong.

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Global Warming will fix the problem. Win/Win

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BigRobSA said:

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This is like when Wisconsin made the change from incandescent to LED bulbs in their streetlights, you know....because reasons....and were flabbergasted when those same lights would freeze over in winter time.

Dip****s didn't realize that the incandescent bulbs kept the light warm enough to not ice over. LEDs don't do that.

Morons.

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I had a single 100W bulb in my wellhead that I kept turned on during the cold times up in N Texas (not many, but enough). It was ****ing TOASTY inside that wellhead.

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The perfect lightbulb for water wells and doghouses where you don't need a true heat lamp. They're hard as hell to find now.

Liberals ruin everything.

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Liberal Parents who voted for this: Our children are freezing to death going to school because the heaters drain the batteries.

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FIFY

I don't even know where to buy a non-LED lightbulb anymore. I'll never be able to repair my Easy-Bake Oven.

Good example of liberal idiocy in the Op.

My favorite of all time is the site of a petro guzzling helicopter spraying de-icing chemicals on a frozen windmill. The same windmill that will never outrun the carbon footprint of manufacturing, transporting, erecting, and maintaining it.

"Democrat".

I searched and found that Vermont, New Hampshire, Michigan and Wisconsin all have been using electric school bus fleets since 2019 - 2020. Why haven't any of those very cold states have these problems? Is this just an operational problem?

Ol Rock said:

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Most Dems don't have kids so they probably don't care.

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This makes absolutely zero sense.

MohamedMahmoud said:

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I searched and found that Vermont, New Hampshire, Michigan and Wisconsin all have been using electric school bus fleets since 2019 - 2020. Why haven't any of those very cold states have these problems? Is this just an operational problem?

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More likely a "reporting" problem. As with so many "green" initiatives, a lot of fanfare when they are started.
But rarely any reporting on the lack of success and disasters when reality hits you in the face.So many boondoggles, so much money going to friendly contractors and family members i'm sure

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Ol Rock said:

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Most Dems don't have kids so they probably don't care.

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This makes absolutely zero sense.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2025/02/democrat-baby-bust-trump-population-decline/681619/

Its a bit of an exaggeration, but it's a pretty well established trend.

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Ol Rock said:

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Most Dems don't have kids so they probably don't care.

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This makes absolutely zero sense.

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IF it is true, it makes perfect sense. But is it true?

The reason it does make sense IF true is it is often seen that the childless are willing to mortgage the future. They have none per-se, its all about themselves. This was noted in a different context in how many of Europe's leaders were apparently without issue.

BigRobSA said:

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This is like when Wisconsin made the change from incandescent to LED bulbs in their streetlights, you know....because reasons....and were flabbergasted when those same lights would freeze over in winter time.

Dip****s didn't realize that the incandescent bulbs kept the light warm enough to not ice over. LEDs don't do that.

Morons.

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We got some fancy new street lights on Main a year or so ago. They had solar panels on the top of the pole and a battery at the bottom.

So when we got a good strong wind, the solar panels acted as sails and about half of the street lights crashed to the ground.

That was several months ago and the only thing they have done is to pick up the ones that blew over.

Even when they worked, they weren't anywhere near as bright as the old street lights that are now gone.

I'm embarrassed that the one pushing the idea is a relative of mine. It doesn't surprise me, though. That relative doesn't seem to want to investigate anything before coming to a decision.

EVs and Dems. Turrible mix. Somebody drank the golf cart koolaid and now children are suffering.

Typical Dems. New York gets what they voted for. Again.

Then why do rightists constantly complain about welfare leaches with a dozen kids? Perhaps, just perhaps, right and left is not a one-size-fits-all designation.

MohamedMahmoud said:

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I searched and found that Vermont, New Hampshire, Michigan and Wisconsin all have been using electric school bus fleets since 2019 - 2020. Why haven't any of those very cold states have these problems? Is this just an operational problem?

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Yep. About that wonderful experiment. LOL bad.

https://wirepoints.org/huge-problems-with-proterra-electric-transit-buses-in-many-cities-though-cta-and-pace-say-no-concerns-wirepoints/

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Heralded as a renewable energy triumph, electric transit buses made by Proterra attracted major public investments in the Chicago area, Bloomington-Normal and many other metros around the country.

Calamity resulted from many of those purchases, with stories now common about disastrous performance, cost overruns and buses sitting unused. No problems are being identified, however, by PACE, Chicago's regional transit authority that has ordered Proterra buses, or by the Chicago Transit Authority, which has Proterra buses in operation. But for Connect Transit in the Bloomington-Normal region of Illinois, Proterra buses are a fiasco.

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• In Philadelphia, all Proterra buses were taken out of service in February 2020 "due to both structural and logistical problems the weight of the powerful battery was cracking the vehicles' chassis, and the battery life was insufficient for the city's bus routes," according to the Washington Free Beacon.
• The entire fleet of Proterra electric buses in Louisville had not operated in two years in November 2022, for which the city had paid $9 million.
• In Ann Arbor, Michigan, the school district says launch of four Proterra school buses has been a struggle due to cost, downtime and performance issues. They cost five times what a regular bus would cost and the charging infrastructure was four times more expensive than estimated. Aside from the bus cost, it took another $1,200 to $12,000 or more for a basic EV charger and infrastructure-related costs.
• Jackson, Wyoming, has put its fleet of eight electric buses out of commission indefinitely.
• In Austin, Texas, the city signed a $46 million deal with Proterra in 2020 for 40 buses. Austin's Capital Metro has six of them in operation while they await another 17 that have been built but are sitting in Proterra's South Carolina factory because chargers for them are not yet available.
• Broward County, Florida, bought e-buses from Proterra for $54 million, and the first batch operated for an average of 600 miles before breaking down, while the second batch averaged 1,800. The county's much less expensive diesel buses average 4,500 miles between failures.
• In Asheville, North Carolina, three of the five e-buses the city purchased for millions in 2018 are now sitting idle due to a combination of software issues, mechanical problems and an inability to obtain replacement parts.
• For Metro Transit in Minnesota's Twin Cities, electric buses lost 40% of their range in the winter. In Duluth, the city spent years working to address issues, with Proterra embedding a technician in Duluth to fix problems, which included difficulty climbing hills.
• Most recently, the City of Edmonton filed an against a U.S. $82 million claim over its Proterra buses' poor performance. Proterra began supplying battery blankets to each bus to improve the range, Edmonton says, the city only received a portion of them and it's unclear if the blankets actually help. Aside from the batteries, the city claims a number of other problems, including gearbox and steering box failures, issues with stanchions and bell pulls, and cracks in the composite body structure that have kept most of the buses off the road. At most, the city has 28 of the 60 buses on the road at any given time," it says.

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bobbranco said:

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MohamedMahmoud said:

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I searched and found that Vermont, New Hampshire, Michigan and Wisconsin all have been using electric school bus fleets since 2019 - 2020. Why haven't any of those very cold states have these problems? Is this just an operational problem?

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Yep. About that wonderful experiment. LOL bad.

https://wirepoints.org/huge-problems-with-proterra-electric-transit-buses-in-many-cities-though-cta-and-pace-say-no-concerns-wirepoints/

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Heralded as a renewable energy triumph, electric transit buses made by Proterra attracted major public investments in the Chicago area, Bloomington-Normal and many other metros around the country.

Calamity resulted from many of those purchases, with stories now common about disastrous performance, cost overruns and buses sitting unused. No problems are being identified, however, by PACE, Chicago's regional transit authority that has ordered Proterra buses, or by the Chicago Transit Authority, which has Proterra buses in operation. But for Connect Transit in the Bloomington-Normal region of Illinois, Proterra buses are a fiasco.

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• In Philadelphia, all Proterra buses were taken out of service in February 2020 "due to both structural and logistical problems the weight of the powerful battery was cracking the vehicles' chassis, and the battery life was insufficient for the city's bus routes," according to the Washington Free Beacon.
• The entire fleet of Proterra electric buses in Louisville had not operated in two years in November 2022, for which the city had paid $9 million.
• In Ann Arbor, Michigan, the school district says launch of four Proterra school buses has been a struggle due to cost, downtime and performance issues. They cost five times what a regular bus would cost and the charging infrastructure was four times more expensive than estimated. Aside from the bus cost, it took another $1,200 to $12,000 or more for a basic EV charger and infrastructure-related costs.
• Jackson, Wyoming, has put its fleet of eight electric buses out of commission indefinitely.
• In Austin, Texas, the city signed a $46 million deal with Proterra in 2020 for 40 buses. Austin's Capital Metro has six of them in operation while they await another 17 that have been built but are sitting in Proterra's South Carolina factory because chargers for them are not yet available.
• Broward County, Florida, bought e-buses from Proterra for $54 million, and the first batch operated for an average of 600 miles before breaking down, while the second batch averaged 1,800. The county's much less expensive diesel buses average 4,500 miles between failures.
• In Asheville, North Carolina, three of the five e-buses the city purchased for millions in 2018 are now sitting idle due to a combination of software issues, mechanical problems and an inability to obtain replacement parts.
• For Metro Transit in Minnesota's Twin Cities, electric buses lost 40% of their range in the winter. In Duluth, the city spent years working to address issues, with Proterra embedding a technician in Duluth to fix problems, which included difficulty climbing hills.
• Most recently, the City of Edmonton filed an against a U.S. $82 million claim over its Proterra buses' poor performance. Proterra began supplying battery blankets to each bus to improve the range, Edmonton says, the city only received a portion of them and it's unclear if the blankets actually help. Aside from the batteries, the city claims a number of other problems, including gearbox and steering box failures, issues with stanchions and bell pulls, and cracks in the composite body structure that have kept most of the buses off the road. At most, the city has 28 of the 60 buses on the road at any given time," it says.

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What a mess. But so typical of EVs in particular and Green policies in general.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Their party has become a religious cult. You must advocate for the dogma to remain in good standing no matter now nonsensical the reasoning or haw bad the outcome.

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Democrats are a religious cult. They worship satan, hate Christianity, murder babies in the womb, tell children they are in the wrong body, import terrorists and parasites and murderers and child traffickers, and pay them to come and live here and they steal the fruits of workers to give to the lazy.