Q3 GDP 4.3%

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Logos Stick
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positive 4.3%, not negative, sorry for title...

The libs have been telling us that the economy is in the crapper.

Even if you take imports out, you get 3.68%!

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U.S. GDP grew at a blistering 4.3% pace in the third quarter

The U.S. economy grew at a blistering 4.3% annual pace in the third quarter, marking the strongest growth in two years, according to new government data released Tuesday.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gdp-report-economy-growth-third-quarter-2025/
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Your title made me think economic contraction
Rapier108
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TomFoolery said:

Your title made me think economic contraction

Same here.
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Rapier108 said:

TomFoolery said:

Your title made me think economic contraction

Same here.

Some late stage TDSers will tell us it's Team Trump messing up the publication data even though it's minor formatting confusion.

Good number though. Will be well north of 5% by 1Q2026. Giddy up!
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"Well, yeah, but this doesnt count because..........."

-CMs
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Not TDS so knock it off.

The title with the - in it makes it look like a negative number at first glance.
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It also will likely be revised later…upward, Contrast that to just about every gdp report under Biden (who got the Covid opening up bump and still tried to claim he created those jobs).
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Rapier108 said:

Not TDS so knock it off.

The title with the - in it makes it look like a negative number at first glance.


Sorry, you mistook my post or I used poor grammar. I was commenting on future posters, not your comment. My apologies.
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"He's just benefitting from
Biden's greatest economy in the history of ever!" -CMs
LMCane
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I'm old enough to remember when leftists were telling me

the economy sucked and everyone was unemployed.

that was LAST WEEK.
No Spin Ag
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Positive numbers are positive, no doubt.

Does anyone have an idea of when the "kitchen-table" stuff (grocery prices and housing) will be coming down and in how much time is normal for it to happen? And also, will we see wage increases as well to match how much better the economy is and will be in real-world applications for the masses?
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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The Trump economy is awesome. Merry Christmas you animals.
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infinity ag
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I am confused. Is this a happy thread or a sad one?
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infinity ag said:

I am confused. Is this a happy thread or a sad one?

Whatever confirms your biases.

Merry Christmas, you filthy animals!
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infinity ag said:

I am confused. Is this a happy thread or a sad one?

Happy if you like making money and believe Trump & Co know what they are doing with the economy.

Sad if you have perpetual issues with Trump and believe tariffs are the new racism and Orange Man Dragon is set to kill us all.
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No Spin Ag said:

Positive numbers are positive, no doubt.

Does anyone have an idea of when the "kitchen-table" stuff (grocery prices and housing) will be coming down and in how much time is normal for it to happen? And also, will we see wage increases as well to match how much better the economy is and will be in real-world applications for the masses?



That's a good question with a complicated answer. I've been telling clients for four years I think most of this decade looks like a consumer recession and a commercial explosion and to this point that's basically what we've seen play out. Not sure that changes much in the coming few years. Construction of facilities and energy infrastructure are going to keep happening for the foreseeable future yet rapid advances in automation are going to strain the employment market sufficiently to suppress wages. If the admin can find a path to accelerate deportations that will certainly help wages but that's a difficult lift.
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LOYAL AG said:

No Spin Ag said:

Positive numbers are positive, no doubt.

Does anyone have an idea of when the "kitchen-table" stuff (grocery prices and housing) will be coming down and in how much time is normal for it to happen? And also, will we see wage increases as well to match how much better the economy is and will be in real-world applications for the masses?



That's a good question with a complicated answer. I've been telling clients for four years I think most of this decade looks like a consumer recession and a commercial explosion and to this point that's basically what we've seen play out. Not sure that changes much in the coming few years. Construction of facilities and energy infrastructure are going to keep happening for the foreseeable future yet rapid advances in automation are going to strain the employment market sufficiently to suppress wages. If the admin can find a path to accelerate deportations that will certainly help wages but that's a difficult lift.

Appreciate the well-thought-out response.

I guess, to me, I'm just tired of hearing how great the economy is from every administration, and yet things get more expensive, etc., etc.

Still, to those who can benefit from it immediately, good on them.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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deddog said:

infinity ag said:

I am confused. Is this a happy thread or a sad one?

Whatever confirms your biases.

Merry Christmas, you filthy animals!


Thanks man Merry Christmas to you too!
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flown-the-coop said:

infinity ag said:

I am confused. Is this a happy thread or a sad one?

Happy if you like making money and believe Trump & Co know what they are doing with the economy.

Sad if you have perpetual issues with Trump and believe tariffs are the new racism and Orange Man Dragon is set to kill us all.


U.S. GDP grew at a blistering 4.3% pace in the third quarter
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gdp-report-economy-growth-third-quarter-2025/

AMERICA BABY!
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LOYAL AG said:

If the admin can find a path to accelerate deportations that will certainly help wages but that's a difficult lift.

I've got a pretty radical idea about that. Bear with me, but just what IF, just a few sanctuary cities and states worked with the administration. Then the Democrats in Congress worked bipartisan bills to help with this, I think that just might help a tiny fraction.

Not pointed at you directly, I'm merely throwing feces against the wall and see what sticks.

I think that might have the trickle down effect to everyone, especially the middle and lower income.

Crazy, I know.

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No Spin Ag said:

LOYAL AG said:

No Spin Ag said:

Positive numbers are positive, no doubt.

Does anyone have an idea of when the "kitchen-table" stuff (grocery prices and housing) will be coming down and in how much time is normal for it to happen? And also, will we see wage increases as well to match how much better the economy is and will be in real-world applications for the masses?



That's a good question with a complicated answer. I've been telling clients for four years I think most of this decade looks like a consumer recession and a commercial explosion and to this point that's basically what we've seen play out. Not sure that changes much in the coming few years. Construction of facilities and energy infrastructure are going to keep happening for the foreseeable future yet rapid advances in automation are going to strain the employment market sufficiently to suppress wages. If the admin can find a path to accelerate deportations that will certainly help wages but that's a difficult lift.

Appreciate the well-thought-out response.

I guess, to me, I'm just tired of hearing how great the economy is from every administration, and yet things get more expensive, etc., etc.

Still, to those who can benefit from it immediately, good on them.


There's a lot of drivers of inflation at play right now:

1. Money printing. That's been the biggest driver post-COVID.
2. Labor shortages. The math is decidedly against us here with more boomers retiring than we have Z entering the workforce. Thats going to get worse for the next several years.
3. Chinese demographic collapse. China makes a ton of **** we all use everyday. They're no longer a bottomless pit of labor so prices are climbing as that production finds new homes. That's not going to end anytime soon.
4. We're aging as a society. As big of a disaster as ACA has been the reality is we're getting older as a society and that's going to drive up healthcare costs even if we removed the ACA disaster.
5. Way too much government. Way, way too much regulation that stands in the way of innovation and creation. It's damn near impossible to build cheap abundant energy production in parts of this country and in some states we're seeing production decline, ie California. Government's only purpose is to slow things down and it's become exceedingly good at it.

Those are the things I think drive the consumer recession among others. But 2 and 3 are creating opportunities for increased productivity here at home and that's creating the construction and energy infrastructure booms. Love him or hate him Trump at least understands economics and the free market well enough to know that we've gotta grow and grow fast. My biggest beef with the Democrats is literally nobody has any real world experience. They're 100% government ideologues that don't have any understanding of how destructive government regulation can be. The Biden admin was decidedly anti-growth in their actions as was Obama. Only the two Trump terms have seen pro-growth policy. Even W wasn't really focused on growth the way a Republican administration should have been. We're 25 years into this century and have had less than 5 years of pro-growth leadership from the White House. That's a huge problem.
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LOYAL AG said:

No Spin Ag said:

LOYAL AG said:

No Spin Ag said:

Positive numbers are positive, no doubt.

Does anyone have an idea of when the "kitchen-table" stuff (grocery prices and housing) will be coming down and in how much time is normal for it to happen? And also, will we see wage increases as well to match how much better the economy is and will be in real-world applications for the masses?



That's a good question with a complicated answer. I've been telling clients for four years I think most of this decade looks like a consumer recession and a commercial explosion and to this point that's basically what we've seen play out. Not sure that changes much in the coming few years. Construction of facilities and energy infrastructure are going to keep happening for the foreseeable future yet rapid advances in automation are going to strain the employment market sufficiently to suppress wages. If the admin can find a path to accelerate deportations that will certainly help wages but that's a difficult lift.

Appreciate the well-thought-out response.

I guess, to me, I'm just tired of hearing how great the economy is from every administration, and yet things get more expensive, etc., etc.

Still, to those who can benefit from it immediately, good on them.


There's a lot of drivers of inflation at play right now:

1. Money printing. That's been the biggest driver post-COVID.
2. Labor shortages. The math is decidedly against us here with more boomers retiring than we have Z entering the workforce. Thats going to get worse for the next several years.
3. Chinese demographic collapse. China makes a ton of **** we all use everyday. They're no longer a bottomless pit of labor so prices are climbing as that production finds new homes. That's not going to end anytime soon.
4. We're aging as a society. As big of a disaster as ACA has been the reality is we're getting older as a society and that's going to drive up healthcare costs even if we removed the ACA disaster.
5. Way too much government. Way, way too much regulation that stands in the way of innovation and creation. It's damn near impossible to build cheap abundant energy production in parts of this country and in some states we're seeing production decline, ie California. Government's only purpose is to slow things down and it's become exceedingly good at it.

Those are the things I think drive the consumer recession among others. But 2 and 3 are creating opportunities for increased productivity here at home and that's creating the construction and energy infrastructure booms. Love him or hate him Trump at least understands economics and the free market well enough to know that we've gotta grow and grow fast. My biggest beef with the Democrats is literally nobody has any real world experience. They're 100% government ideologues that don't have any understanding of how destructive government regulation can be. The Biden admin was decidedly anti-growth in their actions as was Obama. Only the two Trump terms have seen pro-growth policy. Even W wasn't really focused on growth the way a Republican administration should have been. We're 25 years into this century and have had less than 5 years of pro-growth leadership from the White House. That's a huge problem.

Everything else is noise. The United States government printed more money for a fake cold virus than ever before in history.

I could bump the receipts if they werent deleted on this very forum. People with two brain cells to rub together called this out before it happened.

And it was Donald Trump who enabled it.
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I haven't been following a ton but has there been any headway on a republic solution to rid us of Obamacare?
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At some point, Thune and Johnson need to legislate. Getting a handle on healthcare is key to the midterms, just behind the economy.

Trump needs to get his **** together on this as well. Huge opportunity that given the Rs track record will be wasted.

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BofA predicting a strong 2026.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/bank-of-america-has-a-surprising-strong-call-on-the-2026-economy/ar-AA1SU6Sp
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No Spin Ag said:

Positive numbers are positive, no doubt.

Does anyone have an idea of when the "kitchen-table" stuff (grocery prices and housing) will be coming down and in how much time is normal for it to happen? And also, will we see wage increases as well to match how much better the economy is and will be in real-world applications for the masses?


Are you better at your job than you were before? Have a skill set in high demand? Ask your boss for a raise if you want a higher wage! Why is that anyone's problem but the individual employee?
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No Spin Ag said:

Positive numbers are positive, no doubt.

Does anyone have an idea of when the "kitchen-table" stuff (grocery prices and housing) will be coming down and in how much time is normal for it to happen? And also, will we see wage increases as well to match how much better the economy is and will be in real-world applications for the masses?


I just paid $2.29 for fuel in the Shenandoah Valley

in 2022 I was paying over $5 a gallon in Montgomery County Maryland

that is nearly $28 in savings every two weeks.
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TxSquarebody said:

No Spin Ag said:

Positive numbers are positive, no doubt.

Does anyone have an idea of when the "kitchen-table" stuff (grocery prices and housing) will be coming down and in how much time is normal for it to happen? And also, will we see wage increases as well to match how much better the economy is and will be in real-world applications for the masses?


Are you better at your job than you were before? Have a skill set in high demand? Ask your boss for a raise if you want a higher wage! Why is that anyone's problem but the individual employee?

Reminds me of back when I would have someone come ask me for a raise. They had better be prepared to back up their request, have a figure in mind, and be prepared for disappointment.

It amazed me just how many times someone wanted a raise because they heard I had given someone else one or the arbitrary "I have been here for x time and was thinking I was due for a raise". That is met with a turn your ass around and come back in 6 months prepared to discuss and make your case

Digress aside, the economy really is poised for a great 2026. Lots of balls have been put in motion and if they begin to align, boom goes the dynamite.
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If the economy is growing at 4.3%, why is Trump demanding that short term interest rates be cut?

That makes no sense.

You cut rates when growth has stalled or on the verge of it. You raise them when growth overheats and risks causing inflation.

If anything, a GDP of 4.3% calls for bumping rates up, or at a minimum holding them flat.
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MemphisAg1 said:

If the economy is growing at 4.3%, why is Trump demanding that short term interest rates be cut?

That makes no sense.

You cut rates when growth has stalled or on the verge of it. You raise them when growth overheats and risks causing inflation.

If anything, a GDP of 4.3% calls for bumping rates up, or at a minimum holding them flat.

Because the government has $9t in debt to refinance. They are going to push the rates down and borrow short term debt. It's their cheapest option. They are going to kick the can down the road a bit. Again
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That disregards many other factors, but yes that is the old rule on interest rates.

Trump is a low rate hawk so not sure he thinks anything other than low rates means low borrowing costs so I can buy more, build more, etc.

Vigorous underwriting combined with low rates can certainly be sustained. High risk and high rates also works but is more volatile on a simplistic analysis.

Trump isn't necessarily wrong, he just is myopic when it comes to how he views interest rates, for better or worse.
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