Dallas PD arrests two men street preaching near AAC

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Ellis Wyatt
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I don't always personally like street preachers and their methods. Then I realize most of them are sincere Christ followers and they are doing what God called them to do. They're living out the Great Commission in a way I don't think I would be comfortable doing. They're being bold in the name of Christ. They're willing to take arrows to advance God's Kingdon. I won't criticize them, and I won't make broad smears about them.

I'm thankful they're committed to the cause of Christ. Their rights need to be protected. We should all be so bold.
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The mystics cannot win and that includes Christians
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‘This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others; it will end in a way and at an hour of our choosing.’

George W. Bush
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I'm wondering what exactly are the laws concerning what those guys were doing. Were they breaking the law, or were they arrested because someone was annoyed?
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Ugh, this is not a good look for DPD. Would they arrest a muslim street urchin for not backing off?
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Ellis Wyatt said:

I don't always personally like street preachers and their methods. Then I realize most of them are sincere Christ followers and they are doing what God called them to do. They're living out the Great Commission in a way I don't think I would be comfortable doing. They're being bold in the name of Christ. They're willing to take arrows to advance God's Kingdon. I won't criticize them, and I won't make broad smears about them.

I'm thankful they're committed to the cause of Christ. Their rights need to be protected. We should all be so bold.


I have a friend who is a street preacher--extremely sincere and loves people, doing what God has called him to do. His approach is if your house is on fire and he did not get your attention to get you out, he would not be very loving.

I haven't seen him preach myself, but would like to in the new year. Don't know if his words are less offensive than the accounts on this thread, but I believe his sincerity.
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Is that DART PD actually putting the handcuffs on?
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BusterAg said:

Is that guy with the bullhorn still standing outside Kyle on gameday slathering liberal nonsense? How many years did we put up with him?

No, but as of last Saturday he was replaced by a jackass waving a Free Palestine flag. While I disapprove of that, I wouldn't say he didn't have the right to wave that flag*.

* Presuming he is an actual citizen, not some foreigner who came here on a VISA, or just stepped over Biden's so-called border...
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Aggieterri said:

Why don't they show the whole video, not just the last part. Asshats not following Dallas PD directions. These guys are a public nuisance just looking for attention.


JUST LISTEN TO THE COPS.

To hell with the first amendment, fourth amendment, and fifth when these ass hats demand you talk about your day.

That cop just cost the taxpayers more than his years salary because of ego.
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Highway6 said:

I'm wondering what exactly are the laws concerning what those guys were doing. Were they breaking the law, or were they arrested because someone was annoyed?

Good question. I've read the entire Texas Penal Code and cannot find an offense of "Refusing to Back Off."

I find some of these guys annoying, but that's the whole point of the First Amendment. If being 'annoying' was criminal, the entire Democrat party leadership would be in jail.
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Bobaloo said:

The mystics cannot win and that includes Christians

What the hell do you mean by that? The "mystics" Riiight. Like "Science" is looking all that reliable or sharp in this century.

Maybe misread your meaning.
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Meanwhile, my wife and I witnessed a group of black supremacists chanting and preaching that the white man needs to die on the southeast corner of San Jacinto and Akard in Downtown Dallas a couple of years ago.

I don't know what the group is called but they were wearing all of that African tribal getup and teach some *******ized version of the Bible or some *****

Really pleasant walking by that.
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If folks are using the tactic of upsetting people for their cause (blocking roads, screaming at people, throwing paint on artwork, etc), they aren't interested in selling you anything.

They either have mental issues and need the attention, they're attempting to win street cred with their groups, looking for clicks on social media, or hope to win a prize by pushing legal limits.

Rocking the boats of others has nothing to do with whatever their "cause" is, IMO.

Americans should have a right to peacefully go about their day.
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Quote:

Americans should have a right to peacefully go about their day.

That's a big negative.
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DPD may be in hot water over this. When an LEO tries to arrest for "interfering with public duties," there's a high likelihood it's a bull**** charge. And it looks really bad when the officer tries to tell the guys recording to "go over there" when they have every right to record so long as they aren't interfering (hint: they weren't interfering), and then he backs off once he realizes the men recording are correct.
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I saw this video on Instagram. I hope these two Christian Street preachers sue the Dallas Police Department.
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Dumbasses wouldn't turn down their megaphone

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That all sounds pretty reasonable. When someone puts a video online, but doesn't show the WHOLE video, your first question should be what did they leave out and why.
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it does sound reasonable.

I hate the guys who stand outside Kyle, with blaring speakers, screaming about us all going to Hades.

I dont care what you're talking about...Free Speech doesnt give you the right to scream in my ear.

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Iraq2xVeteran said:

I saw this video on Instagram. I hope these two Christian Street preachers sue the Dallas Police Department.

Don't believe everything you see on Facebook.
HTownAg98
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Wait, so you mean Chaya distorted the facts about something? Well raise my rent.
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So is DPD issuing noise violations if/when the local mosques blare the sounds of goats being raped 5 times a day?
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MouthBQ98 said:

You don't have a right to not be offended or irritated.


True. However the speaker has no right to be abusive or use language that could start a physical altercation.

Quote:

Sec.42.01.DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(1)uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar
language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
(2)makes an offensive gesture or display in a public
place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
...
(4)abuses or threatens a person in a public place in
an obviously offensive manner;
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Ragebait lovers got ragebaited again.
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Jack Squat 83 said:

Americans should have a right to peacefully go about their day.

Our rights don't end where your fear begins. Freedom is scary, deal with it.
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After reading the article, sounds to me, the 2 preachers were in the wrong. Neither were arrested, though they could have been.


Dallas Police said officers acted within department policy during a viral encounter with street preachers outside the American Airlines Center last week, pushing back on online claims that the men were arrested for preaching on a public sidewalk.

The incident occurred Dec. 18 as fans arrived for an NBA game between the Dallas Mavericks and the Detroit Pistons. Video circulating widely on social media shows officers handcuffing two men affiliated with the ministry

"Testimonies of God" and seating them outside the arena. In the footage, an officer is heard saying the detention was for "interference with public duties," while one preacher repeatedly asks why he is being arrested.

The video gained traction after it was shared by the conservative social media account Libs of TikTok on Dec. 23, drawing hundreds of thousands of views and sparking criticism of the police response. Supporters of the preachers argued the men were exercising their First Amendment rights, while others questioned the use of police resources amid concerns about crime in downtown Dallas.

Eric Daugherty, a prominent conservative media personality, shared the video on X and posted, "BREAKING: Dallas Police are now facing investigation from lawmakers after ARRESTING Christian preachers on a public sidewalk outside a Mavs game STATE REP. HARRISON: 'My office will be demanding answers from Dallas PD. The 1st amendment must not be violated in Texas.' Harrison is looping in Gov. Abbott and @AAGDhillon as well. GOOD!"

In a statement provided to Newsweek in response to the viral footage, the Dallas Police Department said the interaction took place on private property in the 2600 block of Victory Avenue, not on a public sidewalk. Police said off-duty officers hired by a third party were first alerted to a disturbance involving a group that included an individual standing on a large planter and using a loudspeaker in violation of the city's noise ordinance.

According to the department, a nearby resident and responding officers asked the group to lower the volume. Police said several individuals attempted to antagonize officers during the encounter, prompting two people to be temporarily detained for officer safety.

"Both individuals could have been arrested, one for violating the noise ordinance and the other for Interference with Public Duties," the department said. "However, officers ultimately exercised discretion."

Instead of making arrests, police said they issued a citation to the individual using the loudspeaker and did not formally take either person into custody. At the request of a representative of the private business, officers also issued criminal trespass warnings to two individuals.

Dallas police emphasized that city code requires officers to give individuals engaged in speech or expressive activity an opportunity to remedy a noise violation before issuing a citation or making an arrest, and said officers complied with that requirement.

The ministry, however, characterized the encounter differently. In a post on Instagram, Testimonies of God said the men were "arrested for preaching Christ on the public sidewalk" and described the incident as occurring while crowds poured into the arena. The group said it continued preaching and handing out Bibles after the encounter.

Police have not released individual names involved in the incident.

In its statement, the Dallas Police Department said it does not typically comment on social media posts but chose to address the incident "in the interest of transparency." The department said it remains committed to protecting First Amendment rights while enforcing city ordinances and respecting property owners' rights to address disturbances on their premises.

The incident continues to draw attention online as debate persists over policing, free speech and the handling of public gatherings around major venues.
https://www.newsweek.com/dallas-police-viral-street-preachers-incident-11267901
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torrid said:

Jack Squat 83 said:

Americans should have a right to peacefully go about their day.

Our rights don't end where your fear begins. Freedom is scary, deal with it.


In this situation, it appears nobody was scared and nobody's rights were violated. So win-win.
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Wish they would make arrest and issues citations during protest. !!
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So many tough guys waiting for the rage bait to reel them in…

And the out of context rage bait reeled them in.

And the police were not in the wrong.

And on August 17, 2017 at approximately 10:30 pm on the corner of Polk and LaBranch I witnessed what I witnessed.

But somehow I'm the bad guy for pointing out that the shrieking lunatics screaming at people through bullhorns are shrinking the kingdom of Christ and not growing it.

Go read Matthew 6 and tell me how horrible I am some more…
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Aggieterri said:

Why don't they show the whole video, not just the last part. Asshats not following Dallas PD directions. These guys are a public nuisance just looking for attention.

I'm guessing these two street preachers are about like the street preacher that shows up in front of Kyle Field every game. If that's the case, I could see why they were encountered and asked to leave.

now, if they'd just do the same for the Palestinian flag bearer.
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SunrayAg said:

So many tough guys waiting for the rage bait to reel them in…

And the out of context rage bait reeled them in.

And the police were not in the wrong.

And on August 17, 2017 at approximately 10:30 pm on the corner of Polk and LaBranch I witnessed what I witnessed.

But somehow I'm the bad guy for pointing out that the shrieking lunatics screaming at people through bullhorns are shrinking the kingdom of Christ and not growing it.

Go read Matthew 6 and tell me how horrible I am some more…

First time working Mardi Gras in Galveston. People standing in line trying to get into the strand were being blasted by bullhorns and shouting from the bible thumpers. Telling people they are going to hell for seeing breast is a odd hill to die on.

The ones standing in line to get into Mardi Gras where being respectful, the so called Christians across the street were trying to start fights. Very cringe and couldn't help to feel ashamed knowing this is how people are representing themselves as Christians.

Funny how the Bible thumpers were never in Galveston for the bike rallies. The rallies are way worse than Mardi Gras
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Cops
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Psycho BunnyFirst time working Mardi Gras in Galveston. People standing in line trying to get into the strand were being blasted by bullhorns and shouting from the bible thumpers. Telling people they are going to hell for seeing breast is a odd hill to die on. said:

Funny how the Bible thumpers were never in Galveston for the bike rallies. The rallies are way worse than Mardi Gras

They were probably afraid they would get thumped.
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torrid said:

Jack Squat 83 said:

Americans should have a right to peacefully go about their day.

Our rights don't end where your fear begins. Freedom is scary, deal with it.


Not sure where you're getting I'm scared of anything. That makes no sense.

The point was no matter the cause I don't think they actually give 2 shts about the cause, they just want to create the disturbance and inconvenience folks, for attention.

The other point was I don't think any random ahole should be able to scream (bullhorn?) in my ear when I'm going about my business.

Freedom of speech IMO shouldn't mean freedom to harass. I get that's a blurry line. The golden rule would solve all of it but that'll never happen.
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