Winners: Americans
Losers: US CEOs, Indian Bodyshoppers, H1B Indians, and certain older 401k-watchers

This will be encouragement for Trump and team to squeeze these charlatans even more.

Next on the agenda:
* A 25% fee for every job off-shored.
* No visa automatic H1B renewals, the visa holder has to spend an equal number of years in their home country before applying again.
* H4 (spouse work permit) canceled.


H-1B fee legal: Court backs Trump's $100,000 visa charge
https://www.financialexpress.com/business/investing-abroad/a-federal-judge-has-allowed-the-trump-administration-to-move-forward-with-a-100000-fee-on-new-h-1b-visa-applications/4086748/
A federal judge has allowed the Trump administration to move forward with a $100,000 fee on new H-1B visa applications.

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A federal judge has allowed the Trump administration to go ahead with a $100,000 fee on new H-1B visa applications, Bloomberg reported. This decision comes as a blow to many US technology companies that depend on skilled workers from other countries.

Court says H-1B fee is legal
US District Judge Beryl Howell ruled on Tuesday that President Donald Trump acted within the law when he increased the cost of the popular H-1B visa. The judge said the administration has the legal authority to make this change.

The ruling supports the Trump administration's effort to tighten immigration rules and encourage companies to hire more workers from within the United States. By making the visa far more expensive, the government hopes to reduce demand for foreign workers.
The decision is a setback for US tech firms, many of which rely heavily on H-1B visas to bring in skilled professionals. The US Chamber of Commerce, which had filed a lawsuit to stop the fee hike, lost this round. While the judge allowed the fee increase to move forward, the Chamber of Commerce still has the option to appeal the ruling, meaning the issue could return to court.

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Breaking News from today (12/23)

H1B Lottery Allocation System DROPPED.

In short, the government is changing how H-1B work visas are given out. Instead of choosing applicants randomly (lottery), visas will now be given to foreign workers who have higher skills and higher salaries. Applicable for 2027 H1B season though. No more H1B for entry level jobs.


DHS Changes Process for Awarding H-1B Work Visas to Better Protect American Workers
Release Date
https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/news-releases/dhs-changes-process-for-awarding-h-1b-work-visas-to-better-protect-american-workers
12/23/2025

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WASHINGTON The Department of Homeland Security is amending regulations governing the H-1B work visa selection process to prioritize the allocation of visas to higher-skilled and higher-paid aliens to better protect the wages, working conditions, and job opportunities for American workers. The new rule replaces the random lottery for selecting visa recipients with a process that gives greater weight to those with higher skills.

"The existing random selection process of H-1B registrations was exploited and abused by U.S. employers who were primarily seeking to import foreign workers at lower wages than they would pay American workers," said U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services spokesman Matthew Tragesser. "The new weighted selection will better serve Congress' intent for the H-1B program and strengthen America's competitiveness by incentivizing American employers to petition for higher-paid, higher-skilled foreign workers. With these regulatory changes and others in the future, we will continue to update the H-1B program to help American businesses without allowing the abuse that was harming American workers."

The number of H-1B visas issued annually is limited to 65,000, with an additional 20,000 for U.S. advanced degree holders. The current random selection process has often been criticized for allowing unscrupulous employers to exploit it by flooding the selection pool with lower-skilled foreign workers paid at low wages, to the detriment of the American workforce. To address these concerns, the final rule will implement a weighted selection process that will increase the probability that H-1B visas are allocated to higher-skilled and higher-paid aliens while maintaining the opportunity for employers to secure H-1B workers at all wage levels. This final rule is effective Feb. 27, 2026, and will be in place for the FY 2027 H-1B cap registration season.
The rule is another crucial step to strengthen the integrity of the H-1B nonimmigrant visa program. It is in line with other key changes the administration has made, such as the Presidential Proclamation that requires employers to pay an additional $100,000 per visa as a condition of eligibility.

"As part of the Trump Administration's commitment to H-1B reform, we will continue to demand more from both employers and aliens so as not to undercut American workers and to put America first," said Tragesser.
For more information, see the final rule.

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My only gripe is that it should be $100k/yr/visa.

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Don't worry. An annual fee is coming soon.
Trump has to also make sure the tech economy won't collapse because of the stupidity of the past decades so he is giving them enough time to mend their ways and is strangulating them slooooowwwwwwwly. Like a Boa Constrictor.

The same Chamber of Commerce that wants open borders...

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Winners: Americans
Losers: US CEOs, Indian Bodyshoppers, H1B Indians, and certain older 401k-watchers

This will be encouragement for Trump and team to squeeze these charlatans even more.

Next on the agenda:
* A 25% fee for every job off-shored.

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This is a terrible idea. The only thing that will happen is an enormous growth in government to try and enforce this.

Instead need to fix problems here. Ridiculous regulation and enormous cost of health insurance and health care. Unless you do those two things, hiring Americans is going to be cost prohibitive

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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My only gripe is that it should be $100k/yr/visa.

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Don't worry. An annual fee is coming soon.
Trump has to also make sure the tech economy won't collapse because of the stupidity of the past decades so he is giving them enough time to mend their ways and is strangulating them slooooowwwwwwwly. Like a Boa Constrictor.

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"tech industry collapse" is bs. Plenty of out of work Americans who can do the jobs.

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infinity ag said:

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My only gripe is that it should be $100k/yr/visa.

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Don't worry. An annual fee is coming soon.
Trump has to also make sure the tech economy won't collapse because of the stupidity of the past decades so he is giving them enough time to mend their ways and is strangulating them slooooowwwwwwwly. Like a Boa Constrictor.

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"tech industry collapse" is bs. Plenty of out of work Americans who can do the jobs.

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Yes they absolutely can. But not right away. I am in the tech industry for almost 30 years and I have seen the reality of this and seen the problem grow over time. Much as I want the H1B to be completely killed and replaced with something scam proof AND all H1Bs kicked out immediately, we just cannot do it without causing a huge disruption. It will take some time to grow the skill pool to replace the H1Bs as H1B was used to kill American talent for about 25 years. Many smart American tech people are now doing HVAC and plumber jobs thanks to the advice they got from their dads. It has to be worthwhile again to put in the effort to be an American software engineer. It is not right now.

Companies have gotten fat with H1B slave labor for decades and you cannot just pull away this and expect them to stay standing. If one is okay letting many companies die (maybe they deserve to), then we just do it. But it will also impact the stock market and Boomers will squeal. Trump is not an idiot like Musk was with DOGE, he is removing one pillar of H1B at a time, shutting one door at a time so CEOs get the message that their scammin' cheatin' defraudin' days are over and they better pay real wages to Americans if they want to survive.

I watch YouTube videos by Indians who deal with H1Bs and the fear in their eyes and the shiver in their voices are very pleasing. It is happening. Some threaten us that our economy will fail but if you look closely they have tears in their eyes that their American Dream is crashing down. The one they scammed their way to with their fake degrees.


We are winning.

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infinity ag said:

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Winners: Americans
Losers: US CEOs, Indian Bodyshoppers, H1B Indians, and certain older 401k-watchers

This will be encouragement for Trump and team to squeeze these charlatans even more.

Next on the agenda:
* A 25% fee for every job off-shored.

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This is a terrible idea. The only thing that will happen is an enormous growth in government to try and enforce this.

Instead need to fix problems here. Ridiculous regulation and enormous cost of health insurance and health care. Unless you do those two things, hiring Americans is going to be cost prohibitive

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They said tariffs were a terrible idea but then Trump is hauling in da cash. The markets are doing great and everyone is alive.

I am sorry if this upcoming 25% will hurt your employer and maybe your job could be in peril and I hope you will be fine like I wish the best for all my Aggie family. I hope you took my preaching to heart and have been investing in index funds.

It is easy to enforce this. No enormous growth of government is needed, it is just a dog-whistle to rile up the fake-conservatives and the "no big government" Jihadis against this. Trump doesn't care so that is a good sign.

I am all for fixing problems here. But nothing you do can change CEOs sending jobs to India, so the ONLY way is to tax them into hiring here. Fix healthcare, reduce Govt, this and that will NEVER happen or will take another 100 years so this is an old trick to enjoy the scammy good times for more decades. Boomers employ this trick as it helps them though it hurts their kids and grandkids.

I am waiting for this because the primal squealing and yelping that are going come out of these CEOs are going to be epic viewing. Jassy, Nadella, Pichai, Cook, Dimon are all going to be pretending that they are homeless because they cannot make their $1000000000000000000000 bonuses now that outsourcing is taxed.

Great time to be alive. Enjoy the ride. Prosperity is coming. We will all be sick and tired of winning.

I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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Agreed. I know of a major F500 who is doing this right now. Instead of using Americans, navigating H1Bs, or outsourcing they are just going to create a subsidiary company in India that will handle all IT. Insourcing their outsourcing, if you will.

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GE said:

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I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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Agreed. I know of a major F500 who is doing this right now. Instead of using Americans, navigating H1Bs, or outsourcing they are just going to create a subsidiary company in India that will handle all IT. Insourcing their outsourcing, if you will.

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This will absolutely 100% happen. But Trump isn't a fool, he knows this. He is letting the mice run around and is corralling them into one location (offshoring model) after cleaning up the H1B scam. Once that is done, maybe it takes another year, BAM, he applies a 25% tax (or more) on offsourced jobs.

The smart CEOs should know that this will happen and not put all their eggs in the offshoring bandwagon. But then we know they are greedy and not intelligent so most of them will get ensnared in Trump's trap. Canceling H1B and taxing offshoring at the same time is not the best smartest approach, it will ruin our economy as we are so dependent now on these foreigners. We have to be weaned away.

Watch. Fun times are here.

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YouBet said:

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GE said:

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I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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Agreed. I know of a major F500 who is doing this right now. Instead of using Americans, navigating H1Bs, or outsourcing they are just going to create a subsidiary company in India that will handle all IT. Insourcing their outsourcing, if you will.

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This will absolutely 100% happen. But Trump isn't a fool, he knows this. He is letting the mice run around and is corralling them into one location (offshoring model) after cleaning up the H1B scam. Once that is done, maybe it takes another year, BAM, he applies a 25% tax (or more) on outsourcing jobs. The smart CEOs should know that this will happen and not put all their eggs in the offshoring bandwagon. But then we know they are greedy and not intelligent so most of them will get ensnared in Trump's trap.

Watch. Fun times are here.

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My guess is they are hoping to outrun Trump knowing the next Dem POTUS will simply reverse all of this. But who knows. I hope it f*s them.

This move was naturally instigated by...you guessed it...an Indian Chairman of the Board. The most insular, racist people on the planet right out in the open.

infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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Winners: Americans
Losers: US CEOs, Indian Bodyshoppers, H1B Indians, and certain older 401k-watchers

This will be encouragement for Trump and team to squeeze these charlatans even more.

Next on the agenda:
* A 25% fee for every job off-shored.

---

This is a terrible idea. The only thing that will happen is an enormous growth in government to try and enforce this.

Instead need to fix problems here. Ridiculous regulation and enormous cost of health insurance and health care. Unless you do those two things, hiring Americans is going to be cost prohibitive

---

They said tariffs were a terrible idea but then Trump is hauling in da cash. The markets are doing great and everyone is alive.

I am sorry if this upcoming 25% will hurt your employer and maybe your job could be in peril and I hope you will be fine like I wish the best for all my Aggie family. I hope you took my preaching to heart and have been investing in index funds.

It is easy to enforce this. No enormous growth of government is needed, it is just a dog-whistle to rile up the fake-conservatives and the "no big government" Jihadis against this. Trump doesn't care so that is a good sign.

I am all for fixing problems here. But nothing you do can change CEOs sending jobs to India, so the ONLY way is to tax them into hiring here. Fix healthcare, reduce Govt, this and that will NEVER happen or will take another 100 years so this is an old trick to enjoy the scammy good times for more decades. Boomers employ this trick as it helps them though it hurts their kids and grandkids.

I am waiting for this because the primal squealing and yelping that are going come out of these CEOs are going to be epic viewing. Jassy, Nadella, Pichai, Cook, Dimon are all going to be pretending that they are homeless because they cannot make their $1000000000000000000000 bonuses now that outsourcing is taxed.

Great time to be alive. Enjoy the ride. Prosperity is coming. We will all be sick and tired of winning.

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Taxing and Tariffs as a long term strategy are lazy solutions, that don't fix underlying issues.

Think about PNG vs Google vs FedEx vs Accenture vs Small Businesses - they are all very different and should be treated very differently.
Past experience tells me that they will not. Treating them the same results in burdensome regulations like SOX or a gargantuan bureaucracy like the ACA.
We will make things worse.

At a minimum, stop giving government contracts to companies that have more than (say) 25% of their employees overseas. That will take care of the issue without a huge government bureaucracy to enforce it.

There are likely many other solutions that make it more compelling for people to hire here. Health care costs are one of the biggest impediments to job mobility and hiring in the US.

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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GE said:

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I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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Agreed. I know of a major F500 who is doing this right now. Instead of using Americans, navigating H1Bs, or outsourcing they are just going to create a subsidiary company in India that will handle all IT. Insourcing their outsourcing, if you will.

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This will absolutely 100% happen. But Trump isn't a fool, he knows this. He is letting the mice run around and is corralling them into one location (offshoring model) after cleaning up the H1B scam. Once that is done, maybe it takes another year, BAM, he applies a 25% tax (or more) on outsourcing jobs. The smart CEOs should know that this will happen and not put all their eggs in the offshoring bandwagon. But then we know they are greedy and not intelligent so most of them will get ensnared in Trump's trap.

Watch. Fun times are here.

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My guess is they are hoping to outrun Trump knowing the next Dem POTUS will simply reverse all of this. But who knows. I hope it f*s them.

This move was naturally instigated by...you guessed it...an Indian Chairman of the Board. The most insular, racist people on the planet right out in the open.

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I think you are right. They are waiting for the Dem crook to become President and reverse everything. I hope Trump has a plan for that. Vance and DeSantis are already talking about H1B bans in their speeches so they know what will get them elected. It is a delicate tightrope walk for Trump.

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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Agreed. I know of a major F500 who is doing this right now. Instead of using Americans, navigating H1Bs, or outsourcing they are just going to create a subsidiary company in India that will handle all IT. Insourcing their outsourcing, if you will.

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This will absolutely 100% happen. But Trump isn't a fool, he knows this. He is letting the mice run around and is corralling them into one location (offshoring model) after cleaning up the H1B scam. Once that is done, maybe it takes another year, BAM, he applies a 25% tax (or more) on outsourcing jobs. The smart CEOs should know that this will happen and not put all their eggs in the offshoring bandwagon. But then we know they are greedy and not intelligent so most of them will get ensnared in Trump's trap.

Watch. Fun times are here.

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My guess is they are hoping to outrun Trump knowing the next Dem POTUS will simply reverse all of this. But who knows. I hope it f*s them.

This move was naturally instigated by...you guessed it...an Indian Chairman of the Board. The most insular, racist people on the planet right out in the open.

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Absolutely, they are biding time. Which is why Congress needs to act. But they don't give a **** except lining their own pockets. Trump can only do so much.

The crying in the Indian media has started. Next will be boo hoo America hates us... Trump racist... America is a nation of immigrants... we have special skills... where is my American Dream.... Americans are dumb and lazy.... Americans are fat and eat burgers and pizza all day...US economy will crash.... Americans will be homeless.... boo hooo...

TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!

Everything I see in that policy sounds great. Getting rid of the Lottery is just so overdue and necessary for one, that alone is a monster win. The $100k fee sounds like it has some caveats and will focus on new visas which is good. Much easier to replace junior level folks than Mid/Senior for a company. This will make it so that the 5 year experienced Engineer can still work and the company needs that skillset but the new college grads on F-1 looking for an H-1 are likely going to be screwed unless they have a great skillset. That will force employers to hire Citizens to train and grow instead of foreigners.

There are some fields that are 80% plus visa and it's going to take time to settle out. Primarily that's testing, verification, etc type roles that are monotonous and less appealing. Most Citizens don't go into those fields any more. So those roles are the most likely to get offshored, I'm seeing a big boost in Canadian roles as well.

I like the bold moves mixed with some outlets for companies to adjust. You can't reverse 20 years of policy and how companies have gotten used to doing business overnight without a huge impact. This is allowing companies to make plans to adjust. For instance even if they decided they wanted to hire just citizens there simply aren't enough qualified ones in some fields right now, in part because so many people doing those jobs are on visa and have been for a while. It forces companies to prioritize who they want to give visas to and only to the most critical skillsets they can't easily replace. There will be some offshoring but I think it will be a lot less than people realize and not in the areas that matter most. That's why the merit and $100k policies are so important, it leaves a safety valve to keep the truly best and brightest. The key is it is still a massive drop down to the next country in terms of where those top engineers want to live both in terms of lifestyle and more importantly where the action is. No one else has anything to remotely compare with the Bay Area or Seattle or even Austin.

So many moving pieces with this but I am very happy with the direction we are headed, I just hope we have a couple of years to let it sort out because if we do this will fundamentally change so many things in a positive way for young people in the US going into tech.

The crying in the Indian media has started but they are now finding ways to justify to their viewers why this is actually a good thing. But they don't know why or how. Just that it is.

Watch the framing. They make it sound like US economy is losing out, not that Indian slaves won't be able to get jobs. So the loss is American, not Indian. The anchor lady in red in the middle seems more sensible and skeptical, the 2 ladies on the side are selling snake oil saying everything is good, loss is America's. I am pretty sure they make money somehow. Ha ha.

Popcorn time.

deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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Winners: Americans
Losers: US CEOs, Indian Bodyshoppers, H1B Indians, and certain older 401k-watchers

This will be encouragement for Trump and team to squeeze these charlatans even more.

Next on the agenda:
* A 25% fee for every job off-shored.

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This is a terrible idea. The only thing that will happen is an enormous growth in government to try and enforce this.

Instead need to fix problems here. Ridiculous regulation and enormous cost of health insurance and health care. Unless you do those two things, hiring Americans is going to be cost prohibitive

---

They said tariffs were a terrible idea but then Trump is hauling in da cash. The markets are doing great and everyone is alive.

I am sorry if this upcoming 25% will hurt your employer and maybe your job could be in peril and I hope you will be fine like I wish the best for all my Aggie family. I hope you took my preaching to heart and have been investing in index funds.

It is easy to enforce this. No enormous growth of government is needed, it is just a dog-whistle to rile up the fake-conservatives and the "no big government" Jihadis against this. Trump doesn't care so that is a good sign.

I am all for fixing problems here. But nothing you do can change CEOs sending jobs to India, so the ONLY way is to tax them into hiring here. Fix healthcare, reduce Govt, this and that will NEVER happen or will take another 100 years so this is an old trick to enjoy the scammy good times for more decades. Boomers employ this trick as it helps them though it hurts their kids and grandkids.

I am waiting for this because the primal squealing and yelping that are going come out of these CEOs are going to be epic viewing. Jassy, Nadella, Pichai, Cook, Dimon are all going to be pretending that they are homeless because they cannot make their $1000000000000000000000 bonuses now that outsourcing is taxed.

Great time to be alive. Enjoy the ride. Prosperity is coming. We will all be sick and tired of winning.

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Taxing and Tariffs as a long term strategy are lazy solutions, that don't fix underlying issues.

Think about PNG vs Google vs FedEx vs Accenture vs Small Businesses - they are all very different and should be treated very differently.
Past experience tells me that they will not. Treating them the same results in burdensome regulations like SOX or a gargantuan bureaucracy like the ACA.
We will make things worse.

At a minimum, stop giving government contracts to companies that have more than (say) 25% of their employees overseas. That will take care of the issue without a huge government bureaucracy to enforce it.

There are likely many other solutions that make it more compelling for people to hire here. Health care costs are one of the biggest impediments to job mobility and hiring in the US.

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There is no such thing as a "lazy solution". They are just good or bad solutions. If taxing companies on offshoring is a bad idea, why am I being taxed for decades? I want to be taxed 0%. No cap gains tax either. Let's have it.

I agree with your other recos like stopping govt contracts to companies. Good idea.

But taxing their pants off is the best one with immediate results. If we could find a way to dig up some dirt on the CEO on his corrupt ways and throw him into jail, that would be awesome too.

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YouBet said:

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YouBet said:

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GE said:

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I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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Agreed. I know of a major F500 who is doing this right now. Instead of using Americans, navigating H1Bs, or outsourcing they are just going to create a subsidiary company in India that will handle all IT. Insourcing their outsourcing, if you will.

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This will absolutely 100% happen. But Trump isn't a fool, he knows this. He is letting the mice run around and is corralling them into one location (offshoring model) after cleaning up the H1B scam. Once that is done, maybe it takes another year, BAM, he applies a 25% tax (or more) on outsourcing jobs. The smart CEOs should know that this will happen and not put all their eggs in the offshoring bandwagon. But then we know they are greedy and not intelligent so most of them will get ensnared in Trump's trap.

Watch. Fun times are here.

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My guess is they are hoping to outrun Trump knowing the next Dem POTUS will simply reverse all of this. But who knows. I hope it f*s them.

This move was naturally instigated by...you guessed it...an Indian Chairman of the Board. The most insular, racist people on the planet right out in the open.

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Absolutely, they are biding time. Which is why Congress needs to act. But they don't give a **** except lining their own pockets. Trump can only do so much.

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Exactly. Trump needs to be demanding that congress do something permanent, otherwise this fix gets undone and they'll be back like nothing happened.

I'm sure the CEOs are looking for ways to either get around this or adjust until Trump is gone.

Still, at least it's something.

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deddog said:

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YouBet said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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GE said:

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I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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Agreed. I know of a major F500 who is doing this right now. Instead of using Americans, navigating H1Bs, or outsourcing they are just going to create a subsidiary company in India that will handle all IT. Insourcing their outsourcing, if you will.

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This will absolutely 100% happen. But Trump isn't a fool, he knows this. He is letting the mice run around and is corralling them into one location (offshoring model) after cleaning up the H1B scam. Once that is done, maybe it takes another year, BAM, he applies a 25% tax (or more) on outsourcing jobs. The smart CEOs should know that this will happen and not put all their eggs in the offshoring bandwagon. But then we know they are greedy and not intelligent so most of them will get ensnared in Trump's trap.

Watch. Fun times are here.

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My guess is they are hoping to outrun Trump knowing the next Dem POTUS will simply reverse all of this. But who knows. I hope it f*s them.

This move was naturally instigated by...you guessed it...an Indian Chairman of the Board. The most insular, racist people on the planet right out in the open.

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Absolutely, they are biding time. Which is why Congress needs to act. But they don't give a **** except lining their own pockets. Trump can only do so much.

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Exactly. Trump needs to be demanding that congress do something permanent, otherwise this fix gets undone and they'll be back like nothing happened.

I'm sure the CEOs are looking for ways to either get around this or adjust until Trump is gone.

Still, at least it's something.

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I think it is reasonable to assume that Trump is doing that behind the scenes. He is doing things smarter in his 2nd term, he isn't as bombastic and blustery as he used to be in T1. He does an initial show of some new plan and then lets his underlings push it forward for much more lasting results. That way the opposition is lesser so he gets things done.

I have no info but I think he is working to get this done by Congress. It will take time.

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No Spin Ag said:

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YouBet said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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GE said:

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I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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Agreed. I know of a major F500 who is doing this right now. Instead of using Americans, navigating H1Bs, or outsourcing they are just going to create a subsidiary company in India that will handle all IT. Insourcing their outsourcing, if you will.

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This will absolutely 100% happen. But Trump isn't a fool, he knows this. He is letting the mice run around and is corralling them into one location (offshoring model) after cleaning up the H1B scam. Once that is done, maybe it takes another year, BAM, he applies a 25% tax (or more) on outsourcing jobs. The smart CEOs should know that this will happen and not put all their eggs in the offshoring bandwagon. But then we know they are greedy and not intelligent so most of them will get ensnared in Trump's trap.

Watch. Fun times are here.

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My guess is they are hoping to outrun Trump knowing the next Dem POTUS will simply reverse all of this. But who knows. I hope it f*s them.

This move was naturally instigated by...you guessed it...an Indian Chairman of the Board. The most insular, racist people on the planet right out in the open.

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Absolutely, they are biding time. Which is why Congress needs to act. But they don't give a **** except lining their own pockets. Trump can only do so much.

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Exactly. Trump needs to be demanding that congress do something permanent, otherwise this fix gets undone and they'll be back like nothing happened.

I'm sure the CEOs are looking for ways to either get around this or adjust until Trump is gone.

Still, at least it's something.

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I think it is reasonable to assume that Trump is doing that behind the scenes. He is doing things smarter in his 2nd term, he isn't as bombastic and blustery as he used to be in T1. He does an initial show of some new plan and then lets his underlings push it forward for much more lasting results. That way the opposition is lesser so he gets things done.

I have no info but I think he is working to get this done by Congress. It will take time.

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At this point Trump has had 10 years. He is a lame duck President. Trump is not doing anything behind the scenes. He puts on a show for his base, they eat it up, and then he doesn't do anything. Rinse and repeat

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Everything I see in that policy sounds great. Getting rid of the Lottery is just so overdue and necessary for one, that alone is a monster win. The $100k fee sounds like it has some caveats and will focus on new visas which is good. Much easier to replace junior level folks than Mid/Senior for a company. This will make it so that the 5 year experienced Engineer can still work and the company needs that skillset but the new college grads on F-1 looking for an H-1 are likely going to be screwed unless they have a great skillset. That will force employers to hire Citizens to train and grow instead of foreigners.

There are some fields that are 80% plus visa and it's going to take time to settle out. Primarily that's testing, verification, etc type roles that are monotonous and less appealing. Most Citizens don't go into those fields any more. So those roles are the most likely to get offshored, I'm seeing a big boost in Canadian roles as well.

I like the bold moves mixed with some outlets for companies to adjust. You can't reverse 20 years of policy and how companies have gotten used to doing business overnight without a huge impact. This is allowing companies to make plans to adjust. For instance even if they decided they wanted to hire just citizens there simply aren't enough qualified ones in some fields right now, in part because so many people doing those jobs are on visa and have been for a while. It forces companies to prioritize who they want to give visas to and only to the most critical skillsets they can't easily replace. There will be some offshoring but I think it will be a lot less than people realize and not in the areas that matter most. That's why the merit and $100k policies are so important, it leaves a safety valve to keep the truly best and brightest. The key is it is still a massive drop down to the next country in terms of where those top engineers want to live both in terms of lifestyle and more importantly where the action is. No one else has anything to remotely compare with the Bay Area or Seattle or even Austin.

So many moving pieces with this but I am very happy with the direction we are headed, I just hope we have a couple of years to let it sort out because if we do this will fundamentally change so many things in a positive way for young people in the US going into tech.

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I agree with everything you say.

Except one thing.
There is a section of American tech people who do go into testing and verification. Not everyone is a super smart person who can devise new AI models, there are people who just want routine no-brain testing jobs. Nothing wrong in that, to each his/her own. My wife started her tech career being a tester before she moved out into areas she enjoys. Testing is a good entry point also.

We absolutely need to keep entry level jobs in America. No offshoring there, else tax them 100%. The economy is an ecosystem and everything works with everything else. You disrupt the entry level jobs and kill them, then kids in America don't want to get into tech anymore (as they can't get jobs) and then this gives more reason to scummy US CEOs to claim there is no talent in America and offshore even more and for the wise Boomers to advise people to do HVAC and take up plumbing jobs.

So I demand 100% taxing on all outsourced entry level jobs.
Wait... maybe Trump's new plan takes care of that with his 100k fee. Dude is smart.

The American dream is for Americans first. You can tell that this has never crossed their minds before.

The assault on H1B abuse is one of the best things Trump has been doing - I hope he keeps it up and doesn't reverse course later!

Keyno said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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Agreed. I know of a major F500 who is doing this right now. Instead of using Americans, navigating H1Bs, or outsourcing they are just going to create a subsidiary company in India that will handle all IT. Insourcing their outsourcing, if you will.

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This will absolutely 100% happen. But Trump isn't a fool, he knows this. He is letting the mice run around and is corralling them into one location (offshoring model) after cleaning up the H1B scam. Once that is done, maybe it takes another year, BAM, he applies a 25% tax (or more) on outsourcing jobs. The smart CEOs should know that this will happen and not put all their eggs in the offshoring bandwagon. But then we know they are greedy and not intelligent so most of them will get ensnared in Trump's trap.

Watch. Fun times are here.

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My guess is they are hoping to outrun Trump knowing the next Dem POTUS will simply reverse all of this. But who knows. I hope it f*s them.

This move was naturally instigated by...you guessed it...an Indian Chairman of the Board. The most insular, racist people on the planet right out in the open.

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Absolutely, they are biding time. Which is why Congress needs to act. But they don't give a **** except lining their own pockets. Trump can only do so much.

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Exactly. Trump needs to be demanding that congress do something permanent, otherwise this fix gets undone and they'll be back like nothing happened.

I'm sure the CEOs are looking for ways to either get around this or adjust until Trump is gone.

Still, at least it's something.

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I think it is reasonable to assume that Trump is doing that behind the scenes. He is doing things smarter in his 2nd term, he isn't as bombastic and blustery as he used to be in T1. He does an initial show of some new plan and then lets his underlings push it forward for much more lasting results. That way the opposition is lesser so he gets things done.

I have no info but I think he is working to get this done by Congress. It will take time.

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At this point Trump has had 10 years. He is a lame duck President. Trump is not doing anything behind the scenes. He puts on a show for his base, they eat it up, and then he doesn't do anything. Rinse and repeat

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Are you not paying attention at all? Closing the border, OBBBA, hundreds of EO's, net decrease in federal workforce for first time in decades, ending wars, changing the federal gov stance on transgender stuff, etc…. Maybe he's not going as far as some of us would want but if the momentum can continue into the next three years without the dems either finding a Russiagate or Covid equivalent to slow it down, this will be a transformational presidency.

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Winners: Americans
Losers: US CEOs, Indian Bodyshoppers, H1B Indians, and certain older 401k-watchers

This will be encouragement for Trump and team to squeeze these charlatans even more.

Next on the agenda:
* A 25% fee for every job off-shored.

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This is a terrible idea. The only thing that will happen is an enormous growth in government to try and enforce this.

Instead need to fix problems here. Ridiculous regulation and enormous cost of health insurance and health care. Unless you do those two things, hiring Americans is going to be cost prohibitive

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They said tariffs were a terrible idea but then Trump is hauling in da cash. The markets are doing great and everyone is alive.

I am sorry if this upcoming 25% will hurt your employer and maybe your job could be in peril and I hope you will be fine like I wish the best for all my Aggie family. I hope you took my preaching to heart and have been investing in index funds.

It is easy to enforce this. No enormous growth of government is needed, it is just a dog-whistle to rile up the fake-conservatives and the "no big government" Jihadis against this. Trump doesn't care so that is a good sign.

I am all for fixing problems here. But nothing you do can change CEOs sending jobs to India, so the ONLY way is to tax them into hiring here. Fix healthcare, reduce Govt, this and that will NEVER happen or will take another 100 years so this is an old trick to enjoy the scammy good times for more decades. Boomers employ this trick as it helps them though it hurts their kids and grandkids.

I am waiting for this because the primal squealing and yelping that are going come out of these CEOs are going to be epic viewing. Jassy, Nadella, Pichai, Cook, Dimon are all going to be pretending that they are homeless because they cannot make their $1000000000000000000000 bonuses now that outsourcing is taxed.

Great time to be alive. Enjoy the ride. Prosperity is coming. We will all be sick and tired of winning.

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Taxing and Tariffs as a long term strategy are lazy solutions, that don't fix underlying issues.

Think about PNG vs Google vs FedEx vs Accenture vs Small Businesses - they are all very different and should be treated very differently.
Past experience tells me that they will not. Treating them the same results in burdensome regulations like SOX or a gargantuan bureaucracy like the ACA.
We will make things worse.

At a minimum, stop giving government contracts to companies that have more than (say) 25% of their employees overseas. That will take care of the issue without a huge government bureaucracy to enforce it.

There are likely many other solutions that make it more compelling for people to hire here. Health care costs are one of the biggest impediments to job mobility and hiring in the US.

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There is no such thing as a "lazy solution". They are just good or bad solutions. If taxing companies on offshoring is a bad idea, why am I being taxed for decades? I want to be taxed 0%. No cap gains tax either. Let's have it.

I agree with your other recos like stopping govt contracts to companies. Good idea.

But taxing their pants off is the best one with immediate results. If we could find a way to dig up some dirt on the CEO on his corrupt ways and throw him into jail, that would be awesome too.

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Taxing overseas jobs is a simplistic and bad solution.
It is asinine to treat Accenture and P&G the same way. And even worse to treat Big Tech and small businesses the same way.
That is EXACTLY what corporations want. This shi$ is exactly why SOX is a mess.

There is NO world in which taking money from public and private entities and giving it to the government is a good solution. Temporarily perhaps, but in the end more money to Government always results in more bloated government.
Big government is the reason we are in this mess. Adding more government is only going to make it worse.

Keyno said:

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infinity ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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deddog said:

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YouBet said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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GE said:

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I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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Agreed. I know of a major F500 who is doing this right now. Instead of using Americans, navigating H1Bs, or outsourcing they are just going to create a subsidiary company in India that will handle all IT. Insourcing their outsourcing, if you will.

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This will absolutely 100% happen. But Trump isn't a fool, he knows this. He is letting the mice run around and is corralling them into one location (offshoring model) after cleaning up the H1B scam. Once that is done, maybe it takes another year, BAM, he applies a 25% tax (or more) on outsourcing jobs. The smart CEOs should know that this will happen and not put all their eggs in the offshoring bandwagon. But then we know they are greedy and not intelligent so most of them will get ensnared in Trump's trap.

Watch. Fun times are here.

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My guess is they are hoping to outrun Trump knowing the next Dem POTUS will simply reverse all of this. But who knows. I hope it f*s them.

This move was naturally instigated by...you guessed it...an Indian Chairman of the Board. The most insular, racist people on the planet right out in the open.

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Absolutely, they are biding time. Which is why Congress needs to act. But they don't give a **** except lining their own pockets. Trump can only do so much.

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Exactly. Trump needs to be demanding that congress do something permanent, otherwise this fix gets undone and they'll be back like nothing happened.

I'm sure the CEOs are looking for ways to either get around this or adjust until Trump is gone.

Still, at least it's something.

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I think it is reasonable to assume that Trump is doing that behind the scenes. He is doing things smarter in his 2nd term, he isn't as bombastic and blustery as he used to be in T1. He does an initial show of some new plan and then lets his underlings push it forward for much more lasting results. That way the opposition is lesser so he gets things done.

I have no info but I think he is working to get this done by Congress. It will take time.

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At this point Trump has had 10 years. He is a lame duck President. Trump is not doing anything behind the scenes. He puts on a show for his base, they eat it up, and then he doesn't do anything. Rinse and repeat

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The problem here isn't Trump. It's Congress. Most of Trump's decisions can and will be reversed. But if you pass legislation, then it's a lot harder to roll back ( see ACA)
Unfortunately, I just don't see Trump as the kind of President to be able to work with Congress to pass any meaningful legislation. That's one area where deSantis would have been better.

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The American dream is for Americans first. You can tell that this has never crossed their minds before.

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Not since Reagan.

deddog said:

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Keyno said:

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infinity ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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deddog said:

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YouBet said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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GE said:

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I have to agree with the taxing of offshoring. Seen a massive movement in consulting and professional services firms to reduce US headcount and blame technology while simultaneously increasing India headcount by more than the US reduction.

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Agreed. I know of a major F500 who is doing this right now. Instead of using Americans, navigating H1Bs, or outsourcing they are just going to create a subsidiary company in India that will handle all IT. Insourcing their outsourcing, if you will.

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This will absolutely 100% happen. But Trump isn't a fool, he knows this. He is letting the mice run around and is corralling them into one location (offshoring model) after cleaning up the H1B scam. Once that is done, maybe it takes another year, BAM, he applies a 25% tax (or more) on outsourcing jobs. The smart CEOs should know that this will happen and not put all their eggs in the offshoring bandwagon. But then we know they are greedy and not intelligent so most of them will get ensnared in Trump's trap.

Watch. Fun times are here.

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My guess is they are hoping to outrun Trump knowing the next Dem POTUS will simply reverse all of this. But who knows. I hope it f*s them.

This move was naturally instigated by...you guessed it...an Indian Chairman of the Board. The most insular, racist people on the planet right out in the open.

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Absolutely, they are biding time. Which is why Congress needs to act. But they don't give a **** except lining their own pockets. Trump can only do so much.

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Exactly. Trump needs to be demanding that congress do something permanent, otherwise this fix gets undone and they'll be back like nothing happened.

I'm sure the CEOs are looking for ways to either get around this or adjust until Trump is gone.

Still, at least it's something.

---

I think it is reasonable to assume that Trump is doing that behind the scenes. He is doing things smarter in his 2nd term, he isn't as bombastic and blustery as he used to be in T1. He does an initial show of some new plan and then lets his underlings push it forward for much more lasting results. That way the opposition is lesser so he gets things done.

I have no info but I think he is working to get this done by Congress. It will take time.

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At this point Trump has had 10 years. He is a lame duck President. Trump is not doing anything behind the scenes. He puts on a show for his base, they eat it up, and then he doesn't do anything. Rinse and repeat

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The problem here isn't Trump. It's Congress. Most of Trump's decisions can and will be reversed. But if you pass legislation, then it's a lot harder to roll back ( see ACA)
Unfortunately, I just don't see Trump as the kind of President to be able to work with Congress to pass any meaningful legislation. That's one area where deSantis would have been better.

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Trump? No D or R president can pass any meaningful legislation with a close Senate and the filibuster. Its never going to happen. "Work with Congress" is a meaningless talking point.

deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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Winners: Americans
Losers: US CEOs, Indian Bodyshoppers, H1B Indians, and certain older 401k-watchers

This will be encouragement for Trump and team to squeeze these charlatans even more.

Next on the agenda:
* A 25% fee for every job off-shored.

---

This is a terrible idea. The only thing that will happen is an enormous growth in government to try and enforce this.

Instead need to fix problems here. Ridiculous regulation and enormous cost of health insurance and health care. Unless you do those two things, hiring Americans is going to be cost prohibitive

---

They said tariffs were a terrible idea but then Trump is hauling in da cash. The markets are doing great and everyone is alive.

I am sorry if this upcoming 25% will hurt your employer and maybe your job could be in peril and I hope you will be fine like I wish the best for all my Aggie family. I hope you took my preaching to heart and have been investing in index funds.

It is easy to enforce this. No enormous growth of government is needed, it is just a dog-whistle to rile up the fake-conservatives and the "no big government" Jihadis against this. Trump doesn't care so that is a good sign.

I am all for fixing problems here. But nothing you do can change CEOs sending jobs to India, so the ONLY way is to tax them into hiring here. Fix healthcare, reduce Govt, this and that will NEVER happen or will take another 100 years so this is an old trick to enjoy the scammy good times for more decades. Boomers employ this trick as it helps them though it hurts their kids and grandkids.

I am waiting for this because the primal squealing and yelping that are going come out of these CEOs are going to be epic viewing. Jassy, Nadella, Pichai, Cook, Dimon are all going to be pretending that they are homeless because they cannot make their $1000000000000000000000 bonuses now that outsourcing is taxed.

Great time to be alive. Enjoy the ride. Prosperity is coming. We will all be sick and tired of winning.

---

Taxing and Tariffs as a long term strategy are lazy solutions, that don't fix underlying issues.

Think about PNG vs Google vs FedEx vs Accenture vs Small Businesses - they are all very different and should be treated very differently.
Past experience tells me that they will not. Treating them the same results in burdensome regulations like SOX or a gargantuan bureaucracy like the ACA.
We will make things worse.

At a minimum, stop giving government contracts to companies that have more than (say) 25% of their employees overseas. That will take care of the issue without a huge government bureaucracy to enforce it.

There are likely many other solutions that make it more compelling for people to hire here. Health care costs are one of the biggest impediments to job mobility and hiring in the US.

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There is no such thing as a "lazy solution". They are just good or bad solutions. If taxing companies on offshoring is a bad idea, why am I being taxed for decades? I want to be taxed 0%. No cap gains tax either. Let's have it.

I agree with your other recos like stopping govt contracts to companies. Good idea.

But taxing their pants off is the best one with immediate results. If we could find a way to dig up some dirt on the CEO on his corrupt ways and throw him into jail, that would be awesome too.

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Taxing overseas jobs is a simplistic and bad solution.
It is asinine to treat Accenture and P&G the same way. And even worse to treat Big Tech and small businesses the same way.
That is EXACTLY what corporations want. This shi$ is exactly why SOX is a mess.

There is NO world in which taking money from public and private entities and giving it to the government is a good solution. Temporarily perhaps, but in the end more money to Government always results in more bloated government.
Big government is the reason we are in this mess. Adding more government is only going to make it worse.

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You keep saying taxing offshoring is "bad" and use different words for bad like "asinine" but you never tell me WHY.

You attempted earlier by saying "fix healthcare" and "make US more attractive" which are bs solutions. You and I both know that the Aggies will win the National Championship before all this is fixed.

I am sorry, you are sounding more and more like these CEOs. They are looking at it from their own personal perspective, not the country's long term perspective. It is fine to think so as we all have a survival instinct.