The social contract is broken

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rwtxag83 said:

Malibu said:

First, define the social contract.

My stab: If you work a standard 40 hour work week, you should be able to afford a modest home that you own, food, and reasonable creature comforts for leisure, charity, and children's activities for a family size up to 4 kids.

The problem: That's not really true anymore.


And that's because irresonsible government spending on social entitlement programs has driven the costs of those items too high to be affordable.

And not at all because the free market shipped those jobs to Asia to return capital to owners and sent cheap t-shirts and cashier jobs as replacements.
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Malibu said:

First, define the social contract.

No
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Bobaloo said:

Get a loan and buy a gas station. The SBA and the banks owns those dudes. Good luck!


You have not seen how it works. They pass the loan back and forth to family forever and never pay a dime on the principle. The entire thing has always been a scam.

Stop thinking they abide by 1st world values.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Trump is going to jump on all this pervasive fraud throughout the entire country like King Kong ! We had no leadership in our country for 4 years under Biden. The stealing is everywhere and I think Trump needs to expand all the Federal enforcement agencies with qualified people: FBI, DHS, Marshall Service, DOJ , ATF etc etc. Many of these crooked scumbags can afford slimeball Democrat lawyers , to complicate the prosecutions .
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Pookers said:

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Boomers and Politicians and CEO's caused this…

FIFY. I had nothing to do with this.

No. Boomers have been in political power for the past many decades, which have seen the rot of this nation accelerated beyond belief.


Yes, but it took total ignorance of what America is and stands for, the desire for more and more abortions, and hatred of Christianity for the younger generations to twice elect the Muslim Manchurian Candidate, Obama, and brain dead Biden. Boomers could have never elected those POS without lots of help from the young and stupid.
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Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:



The productive class carries crumbling systems through exhausting labor, only to see their output fund their own dispossession. When they protest the betrayal, they're labeled bigots. The system can't survive this thermodynamic reality: draining competent populations while importing dependency inevitably collapses. People are finally waking up and choosing self-preservation over loyalty to a hostile regime.




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Been seeing a ton of people posting similar on social media.
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The fraud is widespread and massive in virtually every industry.

Your taxes are literally funding your own demise.
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Apparently god fearing white Americans are the only people not in on the scam of fleecing America for everything.
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This topic is the real fight of our age. The Right vs. Left bs is all a TV show. The politicians are all on the same team and their opposition is We the People.
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Sid Farkas said:

Not long ago, corruption was a de minimis byproduct of American politics. Now it's the core business.


I'm with you. But it's sadly been around for a long time. Think Tammany Hall etc. Technology has just let it grow exponentially and we let it run wild.
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Malibu said:

rwtxag83 said:

Malibu said:

First, define the social contract.

My stab: If you work a standard 40 hour work week, you should be able to afford a modest home that you own, food, and reasonable creature comforts for leisure, charity, and children's activities for a family size up to 4 kids.

The problem: That's not really true anymore.


And that's because irresonsible government spending on social entitlement programs has driven the costs of those items too high to be affordable.

And not at all because the free market shipped those jobs to Asia to return capital to owners and sent cheap t-shirts and cashier jobs as replacements.

The market reacted to the idiocy of govt over-regulation and massive taxation. Again, govt interference is ALWAYS the cause, no matter what subject we're talking about.
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The Federal, State and Local high taxes and rampant fraud throughout the country, just like a business,will price government out of the market, and result in taxpayers cheating. The Republicans better get cracking !
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BigRobSA said:

Malibu said:

rwtxag83 said:

Malibu said:

First, define the social contract.

My stab: If you work a standard 40 hour work week, you should be able to afford a modest home that you own, food, and reasonable creature comforts for leisure, charity, and children's activities for a family size up to 4 kids.

The problem: That's not really true anymore.


And that's because irresonsible government spending on social entitlement programs has driven the costs of those items too high to be affordable.

And not at all because the free market shipped those jobs to Asia to return capital to owners and sent cheap t-shirts and cashier jobs as replacements.

The market reacted to the idiocy of govt over-regulation and massive taxation. Again, govt interference is ALWAYS the cause, no matter what subject we're talking about.

The market reacted to the opportunity to drop payroll operating expenses by 50% by shipping jobs to someone who will press the same button and twist the same screws a US worked did but for just above the marginal cost of working 16 hour days subsistence farming. If you lived in Aynrandville instead of America the exact same thing would have happened. In a global economy capital will shift production to its lowest marginal cost. That means low skilled US workers are competing against Bangladesh and Indian workers.

Stop believing fairy tales that the government is the big bad bogeyman responsible for all of our problems when shareholders will replace your job with some less expensive on the other side of the world or a robot if it juices quarterly returns. That's capitalism. The alternative is WORSE, but pretending the system we have today has your best interest at heart is foolhardy naivete. The invisible hand allocates resources and increases production efficiently and in general the rising tide lifts all boats. That doesn't mean temporary or long term externalities for the losers of global competition don't happen and when they happen don't have real world consequences for the communities that lost.
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Fight or fall. Resist the corruption and greed of the totalitarians any way you can, big or small. Evil hasn't won so long as there are those who refuse to submit and speak the truth.
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I refuse to donate to my church because I instinctively knew this.
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samurai_science said:



People have been thinking this … now they are saying it.. next step?
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Malibu said:

BigRobSA said:

Malibu said:

rwtxag83 said:

Malibu said:

First, define the social contract.

My stab: If you work a standard 40 hour work week, you should be able to afford a modest home that you own, food, and reasonable creature comforts for leisure, charity, and children's activities for a family size up to 4 kids.

The problem: That's not really true anymore.


And that's because irresonsible government spending on social entitlement programs has driven the costs of those items too high to be affordable.

And not at all because the free market shipped those jobs to Asia to return capital to owners and sent cheap t-shirts and cashier jobs as replacements.

The market reacted to the idiocy of govt over-regulation and massive taxation. Again, govt interference is ALWAYS the cause, no matter what subject we're talking about.

The market reacted to the opportunity to drop payroll operating expenses by 50% by shipping jobs to someone who will press the same button and twist the same screws a US worked did but for just above the marginal cost of working 16 hour days subsistence farming. If you lived in Aynrandville instead of America the exact same thing would have happened. In a global economy capital will shift production to its lowest marginal cost. That means low skilled US workers are competing against Bangladesh and Indian workers.

Stop believing fairy tales that the government is the big bad bogeyman responsible for all of our problems when shareholders will replace your job with some less expensive on the other side of the world or a robot if it juices quarterly returns. That's capitalism. The alternative is WORSE, but pretending the system we have today has your best interest at heart is foolhardy naivete. The invisible hand allocates resources and increases production efficiently and in general the rising tide lifts all boats. That doesn't mean temporary or long term externalities for the losers of global competition don't happen and when they happen don't have real world consequences for the communities that lost.

The FedGov, and state govts, caused this to happen. Period.

It isn't a "fairy tale". Believing that govt should be interfering, at all, when they could burn water, is the true fairy tale.
Malibu
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Government policy can accelerate or slow offshoring, but it didn't create a world where labor in Asia costs a fraction of U.S. labor. In a global market, capital will always chase the lowest marginal cost of production. That happens with or without regulation. Pretending otherwise is just blaming government for basic economics.
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Malibu said:

First, define the social contract.

My stab: If you work a standard 40 hour work week, you should be able to afford a modest home that you own, food, and reasonable creature comforts for leisure, charity, and children's activities for a family size up to 4 kids.

The problem: That's not really true anymore.


Really, you should be able to walk out to your four car garage, climb on your magical unicorn and fly off to Paris at any time. The government should provide child care for the four kids while you're gone, filling them with statist propaganda.
As long as we're spouting unrealistic nonsense . . .

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Malibu said:

It is the fault of the USG that people in Asia are willing to work for peanuts and that the free market said great, more profits. Come on man.

It's their fault that we have made it so expensive to have basic MFG, here, yes. Very much so.

All the regulations, being overly onerous (e.g. minimum wage, Obamacare, SOx, environmental, etc) , over taxation, and other idiocy have made it nearly impossible.

This isn't news. That's why tariffs, like all liberalism, are dumb as **** and don't fix the actual problem to create more mfg jobs.

Those other countries have ALWAYS been cheaper to employ a labor force in, but it wasn't until our overlords ****ed things up to the point that it "made sense" to move that we started seeing MFG move, en masse.



Malibu
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You're ignoring economic history. Capital shifted production overseas in the 70-80s, more so with NAFTA and 94 and hit its foot on the accelerator when China gained access to the WTO and had most favored nation status. That's when US labor manufacturing dropped dramatically.

You're correct that overregulation is a problem. But you're naive in thinking that if we had a zero regulation environment you could change economics 101 that capital will flow to the lowest marginal cost. That aint us.
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Do you want to attempt adding any substance to why my social contract is nonsense or just gonna take pot shots and ride off on the magical unicorn?
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fullback44 said:

samurai_science said:



People have been thinking this … now they are saying it.. next step?


Violence or get in on the grift and steal as much as you can before it's gone
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No Spin Ag said:

TxLawDawg said:

No Spin Ag said:

rocky the dog said:



Sounds like she would be supportive of the "Eat the rich" mantra of many.

Have you ever read Atlas Shrugged?

Nope. Just going off of the words in the meme.

This is one of the most unintentionally hilarious exchanges that I have read on this website in some time now.

Congratulations, No Spin Ag. That is quite an honor, and on the last day of the year! Buzzer Beater!

This just so precisely captures the left in a way that cannot be described. Chef's Kiss.

Maybe in 2026 you find out "Who is John Galt?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
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Malibu said:

Do you want to attempt adding any substance to why my social contract is nonsense or just gonna take pot shots and ride off on the magical unicorn?


Just pointing out the unrealistic nature of what you expect the government( i.e. taxpayers) to provide for everyone. What you are suggesting is equality of outcome.
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BadMoonRisin said:

No Spin Ag said:

TxLawDawg said:

No Spin Ag said:

rocky the dog said:



Sounds like she would be supportive of the "Eat the rich" mantra of many.

Have you ever read Atlas Shrugged?

Nope. Just going off of the words in the meme.

This is one of the most unintentionally hilarious exchanges that I have read on this website in some time now.

Congratulations, No Spin Ag. That is quite an honor, and on the last day of the year! Buzzer Beater!

This just so precisely captures the left in a way that cannot be described. Chef's Kiss.

Maybe in 2026 you will ask yourself "Who is John Galt?

Thanks, I aim to please.

And now, thanks to you and Google, I know that John Gait is a character in the fictional novel written by
Ayn.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Quote:

Nope. Just going off of the words in the meme.

You really should dear. Read it during college. Eye-opener. Yes it long and at some points a slog but completely worth it.
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LarryLayman said:

Malibu said:

Do you want to attempt adding any substance to why my social contract is nonsense or just gonna take pot shots and ride off on the magical unicorn?


Just pointing out the unrealistic nature of what you expect the government( i.e. taxpayers) to provide for everyone. What you are suggesting is equality of outcome.


Here's what I did say about the social contract: In a functioning market economy, people who work 40 hours per week should have enough to provide a minimum threshold of stability which I defined as a house you own, food, creature comforts for your family.

Things that I did not say at all or imply: 1) I expect the government to do this and 2) equality of outcomes. That's just you riffing.
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TAMU1990 said:




I refuse to donate to my church because I instinctively knew this.


They were one of the primary entities settling illegals coming across border.
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No Spin Ag said:

BadMoonRisin said:

No Spin Ag said:

TxLawDawg said:

No Spin Ag said:

rocky the dog said:



Sounds like she would be supportive of the "Eat the rich" mantra of many.

Have you ever read Atlas Shrugged?

Nope. Just going off of the words in the meme.

This is one of the most unintentionally hilarious exchanges that I have read on this website in some time now.

Congratulations, No Spin Ag. That is quite an honor, and on the last day of the year! Buzzer Beater!

This just so precisely captures the left in a way that cannot be described. Chef's Kiss.

Maybe in 2026 you will ask yourself "Who is John Galt?

Thanks, I aim to please.

And now, thanks to you and Google, I know that John Gait is a character in the fictional novel written by
Ayn.

Do you wanna ask Google what the main premise of the book is, while you're at it?

John Galt is in there, I'm certain.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
 
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