how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

Old McDonald said:

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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"I demand proof when I know full well Dems design the fraud to not leave a paper trail!"

FarmerFran said:

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Steve Bannon actively stating that ICE agents will be at polling places in order for people to not be able to "steal elections". Complete and utter voter intimidation. Ensuring minorities don't show up to polls under threat of being detained with no evidence.

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-proposes-using-ice-in-elections-11462376

This administration is a direct threat to our democracy

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Steve Bannon is a talking head and has no power. Since when is Steve Bannon a part of the administration?

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FarmerFran said:

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Steve Bannon actively stating that ICE agents will be at polling places in order for people to not be able to "steal elections". Complete and utter voter intimidation. Ensuring minorities don't show up to polls under threat of being detained with no evidence.

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-proposes-using-ice-in-elections-11462376

This administration is a direct threat to our democracy

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So you think that legal minorities are scared and are here to steal elections.

That's very racist.

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What does their race have to do with breaking the law? You libs crack me up.

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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Don't know. But there were about 10 million or more illegal votes cast in 2020 for Biden. The only reason there were less illegal votes in 2024 was because of the army of poll watchers and lawyers placed in blue cities around the country. Face it, your side will do anything to obtain/retain power. Democrats are not honest nor trustworthy.

Since when is Steve Bannon a part of the administration?

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Some of you are flat out authoritarian. The idea of armed officers covered in gear outside of poling places? This is straight out of authoritarianism.

I still am baffled how TexAgs Politics is so hardcore right. You guys represent a small subset of America. Most do not think like you do.

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This guy still thinks Kamala was the most qualified candidate ever.

Any legal citize that is scared to vote because of armed LE officers is too stupid to be picking representatives anyway. Let them stay home. Let them not be gate lice at the airport. Let them choose to avoid every place in the country that has armed LE officers.

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Old McDonald said:

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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You really haven't been paying attention. But keep pushing the 2020 wasn't stolen lie. But honestly in the end it worked out better having Trump back now.

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"trust me bro"

i'll give you an assist:

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A review of Iowa's voter rolls found 35 people who are not U.S. citizens were among more than 1.6 million Iowa voters who cast ballots in the 2024 general election, despite them being ineligible to vote.

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seems you're the one not paying attention

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Old McDonald said:

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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Don't know. But there were about 10 million or more illegal votes cast in 2020 for Biden. The only reason there were less illegal votes in 2024 was because of the army of poll watchers and lawyers placed in blue cities around the country. Face it, your side will do anything to obtain/retain power. Democrats are not honest nor trustworthy.

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there is no proof of this whatsoever

Old McDonald said:

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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The proof is if you repeat it enough times it becomes true.

Old McDonald said:

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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if even just one voted, that's one too many!

SAVE act now!

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e=mc2 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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Don't know. But there were about 10 million or more illegal votes cast in 2020 for Biden. The only reason there were less illegal votes in 2024 was because of the army of poll watchers and lawyers placed in blue cities around the country. Face it, your side will do anything to obtain/retain power. Democrats are not honest nor trustworthy.

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there is no proof of this whatsoever

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Recently found 100,000-300,000+ questionable ballots in a single county - Fulton.
Witness statements of ballots being counted more than once obtained across multiple states.
Witness statements and documentation that electronic ballot machines could be and were accessed remotely and from foreign countries.
Etc... etc... etc.

Yet 2020 was the most secure election in US History.

OP is a troll, just flag and move on

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I really don't understand the mindset that thinks "Oh, illegals vote".

literally, WHY would someone here illegally vote? We can't even get citizens to vote, but somehow someone who is trying to hide and not draw attention to themselves is going to.... checks notes..... vote?

This is a nonsensical argument.

I mean, if you snuck into Italy and were not there legally, would you really go vote? REALLY?

YES, putting ICE near voting centers is an intimidation tactic. If you can't see that, you are lost in tribalism.

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Are you stating that it is your belief that illegal aliens do not vote?

It's difficult to measure people's motivations, because no one reads minds. However, statistics on illegal aliens voting are out there. Many are muted, because the jurisdictions that don't want illegal aliens to vote don't make it easy to discover that it happens.

Are you making a statement that illegal voting just doesn't happen?

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e=mc2 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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Don't know. But there were about 10 million or more illegal votes cast in 2020 for Biden. The only reason there were less illegal votes in 2024 was because of the army of poll watchers and lawyers placed in blue cities around the country. Face it, your side will do anything to obtain/retain power. Democrats are not honest nor trustworthy.

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there is no proof of this whatsoever

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The proof is libs don't want ICE at polling locations.

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I really don't understand the mindset that thinks "Oh, illegals vote".

literally, WHY would someone here illegally vote? We can't even get citizens to vote, but somehow someone who is trying to hide and not draw attention to themselves is going to.... checks notes..... vote?

This is a nonsensical argument.

I mean, if you snuck into Italy and were not there legally, would you really go vote? REALLY?

YES, putting ICE near voting centers is an intimidation tactic. If you can't see that, you are lost in tribalism.

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I tend to agree with you that putting ICE at polling stations is a bridge too far, because I do think that legal US citizens might be intimidated because of their skin color. The reason they might feel intimidated has everything to do with the media portrayal of ICE, and almost nothing to do with what ICE actually does or would do, but the intimidation might actually be there.

A much better system would just require proof of citizenship to register to vote, and a valid government picture ID presented to poll workers when you vote if you are legally registered. Much more secure solution, and no voter intimidation involved.

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Very few illegals are voting illegally.

LOTS of people who are potentially legal voters are having votes made in their name but only rarely at actual polling places. Rather, that is happening by mail.


But the real problem is millions of dupes being bombarded with propaganda and having real information hidden from them being manipulated into voting certain ways by malinformation campaigns.

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How many is "very few"?

You are wrong about this, but trying to put some goalposts in place.

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I really don't understand the mindset that thinks "Oh, illegals vote".

literally, WHY would someone here illegally vote? We can't even get citizens to vote, but somehow someone who is trying to hide and not draw attention to themselves is going to.... checks notes..... vote?

This is a nonsensical argument.

I mean, if you snuck into Italy and were not there legally, would you really go vote? REALLY?

YES, putting ICE near voting centers is an intimidation tactic. If you can't see that, you are lost in tribalism.

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I tend to agree with you that putting ICE at polling stations is a bridge too far, because I do think that legal US citizens might be intimidated because of their skin color. The reason they might feel intimidated has everything to do with the media portrayal of ICE, and almost nothing to do with what ICE actually does or would do, but the intimidation might actually be there.

A much better system would just require proof of citizenship to register to vote, and a valid government picture ID presented to poll workers when you vote if you are legally registered. Much more secure solution, and no voter intimidation involved.

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It does not matter, because the OP is trolling, this is not going to happen

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Literally, WHY would they vote? WHY would they risk being found out by showing up to a polling location? This makes no sense.

The risk-reward analysis makes that a monumentally stupid decision. Why would they even remotely care about this?

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Let's see, because Dems want to make all of them citizens/give amnesty/give free **** out? Why do you think Dems are in favor of importing millions of 3rd worlders? Its not to have more lawn cutters. Its to get a permanent voting bloc to retain power in perpetuity as well as skew census to gain more representation in Congress.

OP is making a strong case for voter ID. Keeps ICE away from the polling places.

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Old McDonald said:

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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Don't know. But there were about 10 million or more illegal votes cast in 2020 for Biden. The only reason there were less illegal votes in 2024 was because of the army of poll watchers and lawyers placed in blue cities around the country. Face it, your side will do anything to obtain/retain power. Democrats are not honest nor trustworthy.

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there is no proof of this whatsoever

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The proof is being uncovered daily. Keep your head in the sand though. We know you libs hate facts. 81 million votes my ass.

No, I am paying attention. You put blinders on and only listen to your liberal sources. I've got plenty of examples, I'll put it on here later cause I have to go out and do something now. You're always wrong dude. You need to just face it.

FarmerFran said:

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Steve Bannon actively stating that ICE agents will be at polling places in order for people to not be able to "steal elections". Complete and utter voter intimidation. Ensuring minorities don't show up to polls under threat of being detained with no evidence.

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-proposes-using-ice-in-elections-11462376

This administration is a direct threat to our democracy

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You mean like this?

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bannon is a ghoul and a troll, but he just likes saying the quiet parts out loud. illegal immigrant voting is vanishingly rare to the point of meaninglessness, and deploying federal brown shirts to polling stations to stop it is both a waste of resources and textbook voter intimidation.

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If its so rare than let's see that proven out.

Do you consider TSA to be brown shirts?

Why would ANY American citizen be intimidated by asking for ID to vote? Every election I have voted in had me present my ID, locate me on the voter roll then hand me a ballot.

Not once did I feel uneasy or intimidated. Folks only feel that when they are guilty of something.

What are you and your friends guilty of?

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I'm tired of Bannon. Wish he would go away.

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He isn't really anywhere other than on his podcast. It shows up in the news at times, but I wouldn't say he needs to "go away" just don't pay attention to him. This isn't even hard.

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And Reddit, which is where most of the leftist troll go grab a hot topic then bring to TexAgs to troll the board.

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Stupe said:

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FarmerFran said:

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Steve Bannon actively stating that ICE agents will be at polling places in order for people to not be able to "steal elections". Complete and utter voter intimidation. Ensuring minorities don't show up to polls under threat of being detained with no evidence.

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-proposes-using-ice-in-elections-11462376

This administration is a direct threat to our democracy

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So you think that legal minorities are scared and are here to steal elections.

That's very racist.

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What does their race have to do with breaking the law? You libs crack me up.

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Was that directed at me?

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I'm tired of Bannon. Wish he would go away.

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He isn't really anywhere other than on his podcast. It shows up in the news at times, but I wouldn't say he needs to "go away" just don't pay attention to him. This isn't even hard.

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And Reddit, which is where most of the leftist troll go grab a hot topic then bring to TexAgs to troll the board.

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Although we're all guilty of it at times over different subjects, some people just always want to be angry and upset. Liberals seem to obsess over certain things.

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Ag98and03 said:

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I really don't understand the mindset that thinks "Oh, illegals vote".

literally, WHY would someone here illegally vote? We can't even get citizens to vote, but somehow someone who is trying to hide and not draw attention to themselves is going to.... checks notes..... vote?

This is a nonsensical argument.

I mean, if you snuck into Italy and were not there legally, would you really go vote? REALLY?

YES, putting ICE near voting centers is an intimidation tactic. If you can't see that, you are lost in tribalism.

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Easy way to make sure no ICE would ever need to be at voting places:

1. Make it illegal to give Illegals ID's used for voting
2. Require ID to vote.


That's it, seems like a reasonable requirement. You on board with that?

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This. On the topic of intimidation. An armed guard in a bank will intimate bank robbers, of course if you are not a bank robber, then an armed guard is a comfort. So what is your point.

Also there are many armed guards now at church services, is this an intimidation or a comfort for legitimate worshippers.

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I think that the counter-point on this one is a good one, even if it is the Left's fault.

If media was telling you 24/7 that the armed guard at the bank might steal your money in the parking lot, you would potentially be intimidated by the guard being there, even if there was zero history of armed guards at banks taking money from customers.

This is another example of the left stirring stuff up, breaking stuff, and then blaming law-abiding citizens for the problems. But, it isn't helpful to ignore the problem. It DOES exist.

The best solution is just to make it to where illegals just cannot vote, put a system in place that is accurate at catching illegal aliens to vote, pass laws that make it mandatory for election officials to follow that system or face jail time, remove the illegal ballots from the election count when they are cast, and then deport all of the illegal aliens that voted or registered to vote illegally.

That is all very reasonable and doesn't intimidate any legal citizen. But, that is not what is in place, because the dems don't want that in place. But, the only reason NOT to want that in place is because you want illegal aliens to vote, and you know that they do.

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It must be exhausting to live in the world you do being frightful and angry and lying all the time. Liberals are literally just horrible people.

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I don't think many of the loud voices are actually frightful or angry at the rule of law.

They are angry that they are not rich and other people are, and they lie about being frightful and angry about everything that they can point out just to create muck.

The usual Useful Idiots showed up hard on this troll thread.

Dear leftist,
We voted for this. Numero Uno for us--get rid of ALL illegals.
Here is what we will continue to tell immigrants, Come here legally. Embrace America. Realize the potential it provides for those will work. Don't buy into the Left's stupid position that everything is ist or phobic.
Thanks for your attention to this matter...
American Voters by a large majority

Please don't feed the trolls. Same guys with the same BS "Gotcha" takes. Every. Single. Time.

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It must be exhausting to live in the world you do being frightful and angry and lying all the time. Liberals are literally just horrible people.

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I don't think many of the loud voices are actually frightful or angry at the rule of law.

They are angry that they are not rich and other people are, and they lie about being frightful and angry about everything that they can point out just to create muck.

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Honestly, in my opinion, they seem pretty pissed about the rule of law regarding ICE, voting, the domestic terrorism we're seeing in the streets where they are literally attacking police officers, etc.

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Old McDonald said:

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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Don't know. But there were about 10 million or more illegal votes cast in 2020 for Biden. The only reason there were less illegal votes in 2024 was because of the army of poll watchers and lawyers placed in blue cities around the country. Face it, your side will do anything to obtain/retain power. Democrats are not honest nor trustworthy.

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Ah, well. It's settled then.

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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1) How many elections had 3rd party audits that were not rigged to catch illegal aliens voting? What is your proof that we are even checking.

2) To the extent that, when a thorough audit is preformed, substantial numbers of illegal aliens were found to vote, that a reasonable person could extrapolate that result to other jurisdictions where the election officials just don't look?

3) Asking a mob boss to do his own income tax audit is very likely to result in any finding of fraud. My contention is the reason why there is not more proof is because the people looking into fraud have an incentive not to find it. Do you agree that there is a likelyhood that this is a problem with the system we have in place today?

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how many illegal aliens voted in the 2020 or 2024 elections? what's your proof?

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You really haven't been paying attention. But keep pushing the 2020 wasn't stolen lie. But honestly in the end it worked out better having Trump back now.

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"trust me bro"

i'll give you an assist:

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A review of Iowa's voter rolls found 35 people who are not U.S. citizens were among more than 1.6 million Iowa voters who cast ballots in the 2024 general election, despite them being ineligible to vote.

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seems you're the one not paying attention

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From what source are you hiring this fact?