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I am sure polling would say differently, but the problem as I see it is that half the country has no issue with cheating so long as it is their side that wins. The ends justify the means.

Even if we could show without a doubt and without error that the most egregious crime has been committed, but it was done in order to advance the left agenda, half the country would not care. For example, if tomorrow a coup was successful and Trump and his entire network was ousted, thrown in jail, along with half of Congress, you would still have half the country cheering. They cannot grapple with their own hypocrisy because they "won."

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This. why do you think they are so against voter ID, when most countries have it and you have to have an ID to get in their convention or collect welfare? They say it is because their base is too stupid or poor to have an ID. But we all know that's horse***** They have IDs. It just makes it harder to cheat. It's so obvious it hurts.

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What do you mean "What if?" Time Magazine wrote a long form piece admitting it was stolen.

Republicans are toothless and don't/won't do anything.

People who continue to vote R and expect different outcomes are worse sheep than the average D voter.

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People who continue to vote incumbent or establishment type R's and expect different outcomes are worse sheep than the average D voter.

FIFY

Pravda member TIME just called the stealing "election fortifying" when they talked about the collusion between campaign and big tech and MSM re: hunter's laptop and the money needed from Zuckerberg for ballot harvesting operations during a pandemic, etc.

You have to be intentionally obtuse to not see this.

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We should do the same thing regardless if anything is ever proven: Pass the SAVE act

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I think that's best we could hope for and don't give the DEMs a single fricking thing to pass it. No amnesty for illegals or path to citizenship, etc...Push it through quick before the midterms.

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Republicans are toothless and don't/won't do anything.

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^what's your proposal instead? What do you suggest to all anti-communists / anti-socialists do in this two party system?

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By voting for current republicans, you enable their behavior. As of right now, things are going to have to get worse before they get better.

By being a "not socialist" vote, you signal to Rs that you're ok with them doing anything in office as long as they aren't overt socialists.

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so two party system. you suggest not voting for the non-socialist candidates? or just voting socialist? what a solution. Let's intentionally become venezuela 2.0, then everyone will see the light and things will get back on track.

The GOP has never been on the ball. "Spineless, nut-less, biggest bags of monkey **** we've ever seen" ~ compliments to Clark Griswold.

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What do you mean "What if?" Time Magazine wrote a long form piece admitting it was stolen.

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If it is the same article I am thinking of . . . .it did not say the election was stolen. It did point out how many disparate groups had to rise up to oppose Trump's attempts to subvert the electoral process.

If it is another article, can you share?

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

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Trump and his allies were running their own campaign to spoil the election. The President spent months insisting that mail ballots were a Democratic plot and the election would be "rigged." His henchmen at the state level sought to block their use, while his lawyers brought dozens of spurious suits to make it more difficult to votean intensification of the GOP's legacy of suppressive tactics. Before the election, Trump plotted to block a legitimate vote count. And he spent the months following Nov. 3 trying to steal the election he'd lostwith lawsuits and conspiracy theories, pressure on state and local officials, and finally summoning his army of supporters to the Jan. 6 rally that ended in deadly violence at the Capitol.

This is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election, based on access to the group's inner workings, never-before-seen documents and interviews with dozens of those involved from across the political spectrum. It is the story of an unprecedented, creative and determined campaign whose success also reveals how close the nation came to disaster. "Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated," says Ian Bassin, co-founder of Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan rule-of-law advocacy group. "But it's massively important for the country to understand that it didn't happen accidentally. The system didn't work magically. Democracy is not self-executing."

That's why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dreama well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information. They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it. And they believe the public needs to understand the system's fragility in order to ensure that democracy in America endures.

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This article shows that a coordinated effort was made to rig the election against Trump, including thugs on standby to riot and cause chaos if the results didn't go their way correct way.

According to the article, the illegal money that was given, the biased reporting, the summer of love riots, changed election laws that allowed unverified ballots, were all about ensuring the election ended with the correct result. Here is your kraken. Time told it for everyone to see.

For all the bogus claims that Trump would refuse to leave the office, a demented old, corrupt politician stepped into the presidency on Inauguration Day, giving us open borders, inflation, and criminal activity, just as his platform promised.

Another view of the original article: https://www.thetrumpet.com/23617-how-the-2020-election-was-saved

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People who continue to vote R and expect different outcomes are worse sheep than the average D voter.

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By voting for current republicans, you enable their behavior. As of right now, things are going to have to get worse before they get better.

By being a "not socialist" vote, you signal to Rs that you're ok with them doing anything in office as long as they aren't overt socialists.

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so two party system. you suggest not voting for the non-socialist candidates? or just voting socialist? what a solution. Let's intentionally become venezuela 2.0, then everyone will see the light and things will get back on track.

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Or your vote in the primary election matters.

2020 served it's intended purpose. It blocked Trump and put the Chinese in charge for four years. It's not a stretch to suggest that China collaborated with anti-US elements on Covid which created the perfect opportunity to unleash targeted cheating in precincts within swing states that could guarantee a win. This was all that was needed for the next phase - throw the border open to all comers, aided by dark money and our own US-funded NGOs, to flood the country with people that would vote for liberals or create chaos within, including sabotage.

Some foot soldiers in GA may go to jail but that's just collateral damage. Covid and the associated stolen election were a massive win and nothing is going to change that.

The bigger issue is Chinese interference and our own government keeping us uninformed about it.. We are at war and 90% of Americans are unaware and don't have the attention span to put two and two together. A subset of those are consciously supporting the Chinese war effort, politicians included, or are engaged as useful idiots.

5+ years later we are still trying to figure out exactly what happened and who did it. Meanwhile the planners are busy on the next offensive. The national 250 year celebration will be this summer. I expect fireworks.

The time to show Republicans they need to be more conservative is in the PRIMARIES. If you do a spite vote or non vote in the general, that's basically nihilistic self destruction instead of a message. The current Dems are far too reckless and spiteful to be trusted with any more power than they already have. Mediocrity is better than misery, especially if the misery might be all but permanent, because the Femocrsts absolutely intend to completely subvert our democracy as soon as they have the power to do so. The Marxism/Maoism has worked its way too deep into the political structure of that party.

If you look at the # of votes (popular, not electoral) for the various candidates in the last 4 elections and realize Biden had failed at every prior Presidential run, the #s look very, very, very (x 10000000) suspicious at a time when unprecedented mail in ballots were deemed legal and acceptable.

There have already been multiple proofs and evidence of voter fraud to know if extrapolated easy to see it on a wide scale / bigger #s.

Harris was a terrible candidate but the disparate #s in some swing counties and swing states without the mail in ballot apparatus simply cannot be explained by Biden vs Harris….

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Nothing will happen in terms of punishing people.

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Then America is not a serious country. And that very well may be

It is widely known that Dems/JFK stole the election from Nixon by stuffing the ballot box in Chicago.

No one even really disputes it.

Nixon even knew it when he lost in 1960, but conceded as opposed to dragging the American people through a recount.

But, Nixon ran again and won in 1968. Interesting parallels there.

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The bigger issue is Chinese interference and our own government keeping us uninformed about it.. We are at war and 90% of Americans are unaware and don't have the attention span to put two and two together. A subset of those are consciously supporting the Chinese war effort, politicians included, or are engaged as useful idiots.

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I'm starting to realize the De Tocqueville was wrong.

It's not the people voting out of the public treasury that is going to destroy us. While that happens in scale, Alexis underestimated the power of American Exceptionalism to just overpower the amount of welfare and graft that our republic creates.

No, what is going to destroy us is the complacency of the people towards corruption in and usurpation of or government from external enemies as long as the voting public's iPhones keep working.

The uni-party is really going to make sure justice is served this time!

We argue and squabble over relatively trivial matters while billionaires consolidate power and wealth around the globe.

Our only hope is to be solidly in the millionaire class to be able to either ride out the backlash or, in the more likely alternative, be useful when the billionaires obtain an unassailable position through the phenomenal technology that is rapidly approaching or already here.

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1. Raid Georgia election infrastructure
2. Announce that it has been proven that the election was stolen
3. Announce federal takeover of all election apparatus in the country
4. Hold elections
5. Announce massive wins for GOP in elections

Profit.

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You're assuming that the parties are alike. They are not. Conservatives don't act or think like liberals.

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shiftyandquick said:

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1. Raid Georgia election infrastructure
2. Announce that it has been proven that the election was stolen
3. Announce federal takeover of all election apparatus in the country
4. Hold elections
5. Announce massive wins for GOP in elections

Profit.

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You're assuming that the parties are alike. They are not. Conservatives don't act or think like liberals.

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And that's why they continuously achieve their political goals and the Republican base never gets our political goals.

There was fraud in 2020. What did Trump do at the time? Lay down and take it. Trump didn't even understand what the fraud was, he just thought there was no way he could have lost. And what has Trump done about the fraud or done to secure our elections since winning again? Nothing.

The demonrats will still deny it. They successfully committed a Deep State Coup against Nixon and still deny it to this day.

I'm predicting a STRONGLY WORDED LETTER from the DOJ. That'll show 'em…..

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If you look at the # of votes (popular, not electoral) for the various candidates in the last 4 elections and realize Biden had failed at every prior Presidential run, the #s look very, very, very (x 10000000) suspicious at a time when unprecedented mail in ballots were deemed legal and acceptable.

There have already been multiple proofs and evidence of voter fraud to know if extrapolated easy to see it on a wide scale / bigger #s.

Harris was a terrible candidate but the disparate #s in some swing counties and swing states without the mail in ballot apparatus simply cannot be explained by Biden vs Harris….

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Can you give a few examples of the disparate #s in those swing counties and swing states?

I know Harris performed well behind Biden in California and New York. Also she performed worse than Biden in Texas and Florida.

But looking at number of votes for each, seems like she performed about the same as Biden in swing states like Georgia, Pennsylvania, etc:

State Biden votes (2020) - Harris votes (2024)
Arizona 1,672,143 1,582,860
Georgia 2,473,633 2,548,017
Michigan 2,804,040 2,736,533
Nevadaz 703,486 705,197
Pennsylvania 3,458,229 3,423,042
Wisconsin 1,630,866 1,668,229

The country is run by foreign interests. It was convenient to make a small certain group of people rich under Biden. It is now convenient to make a small certain group of people rich under Trump.

The MSM would cover the DemocRAT cheating proof like a dozer in a tiger cage size litterbox.

The DemocRats would double down and do it harder, because they got caught.

The Commies would send more $$, and the useful idiots would obfuscate the truth and deflect to no end.


The end justifies the means. And it will have no limits with the Left. The means will become ( has already started) violent.

Republican answer: "where did my wife put my balls?"

Democrat answer: "impeach Trump because it's his fault we committed treason"

Patriotic answer: "hang them on prime time TV preferably preempting the Super Bowl halftime"

Biden won fewer counties than any winner ever yet smashed the popular vote record by over 15 million, making him by far the most popular politician to ever grace this nation with his presence.

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Biden won fewer counties than any winner ever yet smashed the popular vote record by over 15 million, making him by far the most popular politician to ever grace this nation with his presence.

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Yeah, not suspicious at all…..

Your 100% premise is flawed. It has already been confirmed. I don't need to see any more evidence.

Death by public hanging of all the Dems involved works for me.

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First of all, it already has been 100% confirmed. Second, it wouldn't make one bit of difference because to the left, you would NEVER confirm anything they don't want to believe. EVERY time I argue with a leftist, I ask them this question: if I could show you to your complete satisfaction that I'm correct and you're incorrect (about what we're arguing about), would you believe me or come over to my side?

The answer is ALWAYS no. I've never, ever had someone say yes out of literally hundreds I've asked this. Then, they try and turn that around on me and ask me the same question. I respond a resounding, YES. Absolutely -- I don't want to believe or spout an ideology that is incorrect. Then, they don't know what to say because, well, some realize they've been caught.

Ideology is a cult to the left and nothing more. Conservatives argue among themselves and think we're persuading others, but for the most part, we're not. We can only hope to, at time, chip away at people and appeal to more maturity - they leave simple minded thinking behind; sensibility -- they quit thinking stupid stuff; and experience -- they start getting burned by leftist dogma being applied to them.

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So if it is 100% confirmed that the commie libs stole the 2020 election

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First of all, it already has been 100% confirmed. Second, it wouldn't make one bit of difference because to the left, you would NEVER confirm anything they don't want to believe. EVERY time I argue with a leftist, I ask them this question: if I could show you to your complete satisfaction that I'm correct and you're incorrect (about what we're arguing about), would you believe me or come over to my side?

The answer is ALWAYS no. I've never, ever had someone say yes out of literally hundreds I've asked this. Then, they try and turn that around on me and ask me the same question. I respond a resounding, YES. Absolutely -- I don't want to believe or spout an ideology that is incorrect. Then, they don't know what to say because, well, some realize they've been caught.

Ideology is a cult to the left and nothing more. Conservatives argue among themselves and think we're persuading others, but for the most part, we're not. We can only hope to, at time, chip away at people and appeal to more maturity - they leave simple minded thinking behind; sensibility -- they quit thinking stupid stuff; and experience -- they start getting burned by leftist dogma being applied to them.

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You know the Dem's, still to this day, and have media and some academia support push the party change theory. They will never give up on the grift. They will lie cheat and steal until they can put people back in chains.

Was musing this question and thought how nice it would be to unseat all the federal judges Biden appointed
I know it would never happen but it wod be entertaining as hell. My second offer if that failed would be the asterisk treatment. They could stay but any rulings by them would hve an asterisk. Not sufficient to set any precedent and automatically reviewed by higher court or Clarence Thomas!

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First of all, it already has been 100% confirmed. Second, it wouldn't make one bit of difference because to the left, you would NEVER confirm anything they don't want to believe.

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THANK YOU!

I was doing my research and trying to connect as many dots of date that I could before the information was memory holed. Not really computer person to search out archives, so my info was open source.

But there have been elections when the voting eligiible were disenranchide and habeas corpus was suspended.

Yet, he is lionized by the GOP. I know history, Lincoln should never be anyone's standard bearer.. Worse then Woodrow Wilson. In my view, And Wilson was bad.

Honestly, this might not be popular, but I would just politize the hell out of it, etc, and turn it into a ongoing commercial/ad for future elections to amp up the GOP base. I think if it gets used as something more than that, then the independents will turn away - and it will lead to massive future GOP losses once you've lost them as well.

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Honestly, this might not be popular, but I would just politize the hell out of it, etc, and turn it into a ongoing commercial/ad for future elections to amp up the GOP base. I think if it gets used as something more than that, then the independents will turn away - and it will lead to massive future GOP losses once you've lost them as well.

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I think you are incorrect and heres' why.

2016 was the disaffected GOP voters that Trump tapped in key states. Just stopped voting becaus the big cities always outnumbered them so why bother?

The same thing could easily happen to independents in a curse of both of your houses moment.

What did our government do when large monopolies controlled major parts of our country's economy? They were broken up and split into pieces.

The DNC has a monopoly on political power in this country, and is the largest and most corrupt organization in our country's existence. It likewise should be broken up, along with all its affiliated organizations, and its assets seized and distributed as dividends to all taxpayers. It is probably just a pipe dream, but it should be stated as a long-term goal of all hard-working middle-class taxpayers. Maybe a large class-action law suit coinciding with RICO criminal indictments.

There is not a single person in this country who has not been harmed by the actions of the DNC.

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We argue and squabble over relatively trivial matters while billionaires consolidate power and wealth around the globe.

Our only hope is to be solidly in the millionaire class to be able to either ride out the backlash or, in the more likely alternative, be useful when the billionaires obtain an unassailable position through the phenomenal technology that is rapidly approaching or already here.

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No other nation in the history of history has more economic mobility than the US.

That's not going to change.