"I don't give a ****, I'm not voting Democrat"

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Ramdiesel said:

FWTXAg said:

Just don't vote. It makes less than 0 difference.


If you don't vote, you end up with a Biden, Bernie, AOC, or Kamala type getting elected. At least a lot of Trumps policies make sense regardless of his personality at times...

I think Trump is misunderstood mostly. I think he has figured out the only way to get stuff done is to throw out the craziest ideal you can think of to get people (the media) enraged, enflamed, talking about an issue until he gets what he actually wants...

2 recent examples -

Trump says, "We will take Greenland by force if we need too." He had no plan to do that, but he got people talking about our security and the importance of Greenland and keeping China and Russia out of it. And, seems like he is negotiating a deal for what he really wants from Greenland behind closed doors now.

The next example, Trump says "Republicans need to Nationalize elections"...It's easy to see his endgame here, it's to get the SAVE Act passed and get it passed soon.

He has to cause controversy to get people to act, otherwise, career politicians won't do crap.

You are exactly right. I've had a decade of TDS.

Trump is the by far, no one else even close, greatest master of public discourse and news cycle of any human being in history. We may never see anything like it again.

Reagan was good, but Trump would work circles around him.
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Gordo14 said:

Teslag said:

With all the whining and crying over "save democracy", or "that social media post is racist", or "what Trump said is so offensive" this mindset is what I always come back to. And it's amazing that democrats/liberals/etc have no ability to look inward and think "are the policies and ideology I support so off the rails that I give others no choice but to vote for someone like Trump?". They don't. And until they do, and stop embracing far left Marxist positions then they leave us with little alternative.


Maybe posters on this board will like you now, even though you're still just a try-hard.

Trump's disaster ends early November 2026 and then maybe we can return to being a normal country instead of one run by one of the mentally ill message board posters of the world. And that's besides the fact that Donald Trump has run more of a "state capitalism" (which should be code for Marxist) system than any president in the modern era. But that takes critical thought instead and a detailed discussion of what things like "price floor on soybeans", demanding AOC and Bernie's interest rate cap on credit cards, "investigating home builders" for collusion to fix home prices, demanding defense contractors not be able to pay dividends or buybacks, tariffs, buying equity in companies, cash handouts to farmers ****ed by tariffs, etc. are. Seems Marxist to me. Almost like it's just become an emotional buzzword for people that spend way too much time online.

Go outside, interact with real human beings. You'll be healthier for it.


None of this diatribe makes me wish Kamala were president. Give me better policy. Give me better options. The onus is on you, not me.
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GeorgiAg said:

Ramdiesel said:

FWTXAg said:

Just don't vote. It makes less than 0 difference.


If you don't vote, you end up with a Biden, Bernie, AOC, or Kamala type getting elected. At least a lot of Trumps policies make sense regardless of his personality at times...

I think Trump is misunderstood mostly. I think he has figured out the only way to get stuff done is to throw out the craziest ideal you can think of to get people (the media) enraged, enflamed, talking about an issue until he gets what he actually wants...

2 recent examples -

Trump says, "We will take Greenland by force if we need too." He had no plan to do that, but he got people talking about our security and the importance of Greenland and keeping China and Russia out of it. And, seems like he is negotiating a deal for what he really wants from Greenland behind closed doors now.

The next example, Trump says "Republicans need to Nationalize elections"...It's easy to see his endgame here, it's to get the SAVE Act passed and get it passed soon.

He has to cause controversy to get people to act, otherwise, career politicians won't do crap.

You are exactly right. I've had a decade of TDS.

Trump is the by far, no one else even close, greatest master of public discourse and news cycle of any human being in history. We may never see anything like it again.

Reagan was good, but Trump would work circles around him.


To me, the people that think he is crazy don't realize he is crazy, but "Crazy like a Fox." He's like a master manipulator of the media at times, and they don't seem to understand what he is doing to them because they just get more and more enraged at everything he says with their TDS, and then they start talking about what he really wants like it was their brilliant ideal to begin with, and Trump is just crazy, dumb, nuts, racist, or whatever... He doesn't give a crap about what people say about him as long as he gets what he wants in the end, as long as he achieves his goal and gets the media talking about what he wants to stir controversy and get action.
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MelvinUdall said:

Dan Carlin said:

What you all mean to say is,

"I won't vote for a Democrat, ever, regardless of the extremes of authoritarianism or the depths of soullessness that the party of Trump takes us to"


His policies, specifically on immigration mirror Bill Clinton, do you consider Clinton authoritarian?

Don't be a dumb***.

If Trump is authoritarian, he's a pretty awful one.
I don't know a single authoritarian leader who would allow the worthless protests like the ones in Minnesota and other blue city ****holes.

As usual with democrats, lots of dramatics and theater, but no sense of reality. Words have no meaning.
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Teslag said:

With all the whining and crying over "save democracy", or "that social media post is racist", or "what Trump said is so offensive" this mindset is what I always come back to. And it's amazing that democrats/liberals/etc have no ability to look inward and think "are the policies and ideology I support so off the rails that I give others no choice but to vote for someone like Trump?". They don't. And until they do, and stop embracing far left Marxist positions then they leave us with little alternative.

Keep deflecting blame and responsibility for a candidate that demolished 3 straight Republican primaries. The Democrats didn't force a single Republican to do anything. You chose him over numerous viable options. His behavior is not fault of Democrats or their policies.
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GeorgiAg said:

Ramdiesel said:

FWTXAg said:

Just don't vote. It makes less than 0 difference.


If you don't vote, you end up with a Biden, Bernie, AOC, or Kamala type getting elected. At least a lot of Trumps policies make sense regardless of his personality at times...

I think Trump is misunderstood mostly. I think he has figured out the only way to get stuff done is to throw out the craziest ideal you can think of to get people (the media) enraged, enflamed, talking about an issue until he gets what he actually wants...

2 recent examples -

Trump says, "We will take Greenland by force if we need too." He had no plan to do that, but he got people talking about our security and the importance of Greenland and keeping China and Russia out of it. And, seems like he is negotiating a deal for what he really wants from Greenland behind closed doors now.

The next example, Trump says "Republicans need to Nationalize elections"...It's easy to see his endgame here, it's to get the SAVE Act passed and get it passed soon.

He has to cause controversy to get people to act, otherwise, career politicians won't do crap.

You are exactly right. I've had a decade of TDS.

Trump is the by far, no one else even close, greatest master of public discourse and news cycle of any human being in history. We may never see anything like it again.

Reagan was good, but Trump would work circles around him.
I would love to see that debate.
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Dan Carlin said:

What you all mean to say is,

"I won't vote for a Democrat, ever, regardless of the extremes of authoritarianism or the depths of soullessness that the party of Trump takes us to"


Soulessness from someone who backs the party that thinks it's perfectly ok to kill millions of unborn babies, push transvestite idology down everyone's throats and wants us to allow men to compete against women, and thinks it's not a big deal for billions of American taxpayer dollars to go straight to illegal aliens and to massive fraud? Authroitarianism from someone who backs the party who forced vaccine mandates on people and tried to get people fired for not taking the Covid shot and saying churches and schools were non-essential to be open? You can't be f'ing serious, pal.

I will never vote Democrat because I like my taxes low, my border safe from illegal criminal migrants flooding in unvetted by the millions, and I've read The Bible cover to cover and my Christian faith doesn't recall anywhere in The Bible where is says that it's ok to try and change the gender that God gave you at birth and that it's ok to take an unborn babies life.
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I will never vote Democrat because my testosterone levels aren't below normal. Seeing the number of supposed grown men bleeding all over this board today is sad and comical. It is not coincidence how the state of this country mirrors that epidemic.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

Keep deflecting blame and responsibility for a candidate that demolished 3 straight Republican primaries. The Democrats didn't force a single Republican to do anything. You chose him over numerous viable options. His behavior is not fault of Democrats or their policies.

People like you chose Barack Obama and defend his legacy even though he was ok with actions such as using the govt to spy on the Trump campaign for Hillary - whose actions also falsely accused Trump of being a Russian agent. Then you chose an old guy who could barely remember what room he was in that had used his govt position for financial gain and needed other people to make decisions for him while 'leading' the country until he lost a debate with Trump and then he had to go.

But Trump's tweets are what crosses the line for poor behavior and deserves outrage. We simply cannot allow this to continue because such unethical behavior is bad for the country and we've never experienced this before.

Ok.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

Teslag said:

With all the whining and crying over "save democracy", or "that social media post is racist", or "what Trump said is so offensive" this mindset is what I always come back to. And it's amazing that democrats/liberals/etc have no ability to look inward and think "are the policies and ideology I support so off the rails that I give others no choice but to vote for someone like Trump?". They don't. And until they do, and stop embracing far left Marxist positions then they leave us with little alternative.

Keep deflecting blame and responsibility for a candidate that demolished 3 straight Republican primaries. The Democrats didn't force a single Republican to do anything. You chose him over numerous viable options. His behavior is not fault of Democrats or their policies.


Except I never voted for Trump in a single primary. You gave me no choice in the general election. None.
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To the Lefties, fascism means disagreeing with them on any occasion where it is not racism for disagreeing with them.

Don't overcomplicate it.
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No need for fresh air.

The Democrats are open border traitors who want to sexually mutilate children.

That's all I need to know not to vote for them because one is evil and the other one destroys the republic and shreds the Constitution. Trump has done nothing that comes remotely close to either of these things.

It's amazing how yall never own up to these things though. You do everything in your power to ignore your your side and simply project.

There are absolutes and black and white things in this world and these are two non-negotiable.
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Mattressburn said:

Dad-O-Lot said:

Dan Carlin said:

What you all mean to say is,

"I won't vote for a Democrat, ever, regardless of the extremes of authoritarianism or the depths of soullessness that the party of Trump takes us to"

Hm? "Extremes of authoritarianism"

Kind of like, "take this untested vaccine or lose your job" authoritarianism?

or

"stop letting people post things we don't like on your platform, or you will be cancelled or worse"


"soullessness"

Kind of like, "let the rapists and drug dealers in the country, they'll end up voting for our party"

or

"defund the police"

or

"Charlie Kirk deserved it"


Being connected to the GOAT of Pedos even past the point that everyone knew he was a Pedo wasn't enough.




Only one group of individuals, including you, knowingly voted a pedophile into the White House.

Why? Because Trump.

Implicated by his own daughter. Called Pedo Pete by his own deviant son. Yet you put Biden in the White House anyway.

Take a close look in the mirror the next time the term extreme comes into play. You are one of them who didn't give a damn that your party's candidate molested his own daughter.

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Mattressburn said:


It was tested, and if you don't like the company rules, don't work for the company.



Lies. The federal government mandated anyone working for the government, or a company that does business with the government, must get the jab and show papers. It was not company rules, it was tyrannical government.
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If you are a Democrat, that is great! Please don't!
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Correct!
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Mattressburn said:

Dad-O-Lot said:

Dan Carlin said:

What you all mean to say is,

"I won't vote for a Democrat, ever, regardless of the extremes of authoritarianism or the depths of soullessness that the party of Trump takes us to"

Hm? "Extremes of authoritarianism"

Kind of like, "take this untested vaccine or lose your job" authoritarianism?

or

"stop letting people post things we don't like on your platform, or you will be cancelled or worse"


"soullessness"

Kind of like, "let the rapists and drug dealers in the country, they'll end up voting for our party"

or

"defund the police"

or

"Charlie Kirk deserved it"

It was tested, and if you don't like the company rules, don't work for the company. Didn't the board want the NFL to stop the kneeling? Doesn't this board celebrate when private businesses come down with policies that agree with their POV? Washington mandated the smallpox vaccine. By your definition, you've been under that type of regime for a while. I wonder how rigorous the vaccine testing was in the 1700s. Maybe you should leave.

stop letting people post things we don't like on your platform, or you will be cancelled or worse.

Yeah cause the right never ever gets their fees fees hurt and wants to cancel someone or something. Let's call this one a draw or should I point you towards the TPUSA REAL AMERICAN HALFTIME SHOW. Trevor Noah getting sued. Lets go real far back remember when D&D was Satan Worship. Budlight, Target, the NFL, how many books have you tried to have banned again? Never have the people wanting to ban books been on the good side.

This one is hard to argue is your POV all immigrants are rapist and drug dealers? I'll need you to expand on this.


Defund the police. So while a lot of the extremes on both sides say some crazy things this being one of them. Biden actually wanted to fund the police more, but less APCs and more "Here is how you don't shoot a person who is autistic and having a breakdown"

Charlie Kirk deserved it. Again, picking out the extremes, and while I was no fan of Charlie Kirk, I completely agreed with his right to say whatever he wanted to say. Again, you're taking the extreme POV and saying every person I don't agree with thinks this way. He was the guy that said George Floyd had it coming. Maybe CK did as well. Just using his own words there.

The POTUS just shared a racist meme. While you want to paint with a broad brush with these statements. I am not picking out the extremes here, this board is proof enough that being racist wasn't a line too far. Being connected to the GOAT of Pedos even past the point that everyone knew he was a Pedo wasn't enough. Bribes from foreign governments weren't enough. I guess congratulations to you and OP, y'all are proof positive there isn't a line this POTUS can cross that you can't somehow jump through hoops for. If half of the junk that has happened while he was president happened during Obama, this board would be nuclear. A plane bribe from Qatar, a crypto wallet that people can pay into. Suing the Gov and telling the Justice Dept to settle.

You like this party because they hate who you hate. That part is pretty apparent.


Maybe step outside your bubble and get some fresh air.





Define tested because we know lots of tests were skipped, including the long-term ones.

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Vote and don't think that just blindly voting R in the general is really helping . You have to vote in the R primary and help get real conservatives into the general election or your'e not helping nearly as much as you could be . A lot of multi term R incumbents are not real
Conservatives and even if they win the nomination the more conservative challengers may push them to the right. Check your incumbents voting records scores at American Conservative Union Foundation or Heritage Action . An R that votes with the socialists when it counts may be worse than a D because they are insidiously socialist instead of proudly but people presume otherwise just because of the R by their name.
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MJ20/20 said:

Teslag said:

With all the whining and crying over "save democracy", or "that social media post is racist", or "what Trump said is so offensive" this mindset is what I always come back to. And it's amazing that democrats/liberals/etc have no ability to look inward and think "are the policies and ideology I support so off the rails that I give others no choice but to vote for someone like Trump?". They don't. And until they do, and stop embracing far left Marxist positions then they leave us with little alternative.

You many never pull the lever for a Democrat, but your support of Democrat policies and ventures is just as, if not more, damaging in terms of individual impact. To be clear, I'm talking about one in particular and that is your 2 year plus championing the war in Ukraine via American support. This was a Democrat hotbed for laudered funds via USAID and regime change via Nuland and the CIA , whose purpose was/is to fill the coffers of incumbants, candidates, and institutions of the left. Hell, Epstein's redacted correspondees can't shut up about the benefit to American stakeholder's (Clintons, Obama, Nuland, Pelosi, Schumer, etc...) in regard to the chaos in Ukraine giong back to 2015. It's nice to say I won't vote for these American hating marxists, but you have to live it too.

If the Democrats came out in favor of breathing air, would MAGA feel compelled to putting a bag over their heads in an effort to quit breathing?
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BTKAG97 said:

Seems the definition of fascism changes every few years to mean whatever radical leftists need it to mean.

Here's a list of alledged characteristics. Let's take a look at the list to determine which side of the political spectrum it most properly depicts.

My comments are in italics.


The 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt (Spring 2003)

1) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays

Minus the use of the word "patriotic", this describes leftist riotors to a tee. Then again, they do have a tendency to show devotion and support to other countries if not their own.

2) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Ummmmmm.

3) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Ummmmmm.

4) Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

"Domestic Agenda" is a very broad category and is impossible to to discuss in a quick and simple manner. The importance of one person's "domestic agenda" most likely doesn't come close to another's. IMO, the Democrat party and radical leftists push idiotic agendas and do nothing but make domestic issues worse. In regards to the military; the right shows reverence to soldiers and military service but it is hardly glamorized and blowing stuff up in actions movies doesn't count.

5) Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Logical Fallacy - Red Herring and/or Strawman

6) Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Wait? Who controlls the mass media in the US?

7) Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

I'd like the audience to direct it's attention to Minnesota right now

8) Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Can't get more "intertwined" they making government your religion

9) Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

The US economic system is a mixed economy which means it is capatalistic with significant government intervention. Each side plays it's part but differ on which industries and entities will be the winners and losers.

10) Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

As they should be.

11) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Interesting that the raidical left gets to decide who is and isn't an "Intellectual". Then they go about and *******ize higher education and academia turning it into propaganda outlets which should be rejected by everyone. The rest of what is stated is - again - a logical fallacy.

12) Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Obsession? Seriously? And again with the logical fallacies.

13) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

One word: Uniparty. Though I'd say leftists steal from public coffers by an extremely large margin from non-leftists. Again, let me direct your attention to Minnesota.

14) Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Like in Georgia, Michigan, and Arizona?

I can't believe you quoted the actual definition and characteristics of fascism and then proceeded to twist into a pretzel about how MAGA isn't fascist.

1) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays

This one alone made me think....maybe the poster will see it? Trump stores, MAGA hats, people dressed to the 9s in MAGA gear, Trump flags all over everything, Trump signs, repeating "Make America Great Again" over and over.

And.... nothing. You were so close. You almost saw it.

Then dismissing many of the tenets as logical fallacies. These are the actual, historical, educated definitions of fascism.

I'm not even going to bother with the rest. If you can't see what is right in front of you with people wearing MAGA gear as an identity, then I can't help you. You are blind to the rest of it.
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Smells like a bozo chat bot in here.
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I'm not voting for a Democrat either. Trying to replace the American people by orchestrating and funding a foreign invasion of our country is beyond Bond villain evil and every Democrat politician involved should be tried for treason.

Anyone vilifying Trump is wrong. No one in my long lifetime has worked harder for American citizens than Trump. God bless him.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

Teslag said:

With all the whining and crying over "save democracy", or "that social media post is racist", or "what Trump said is so offensive" this mindset is what I always come back to. And it's amazing that democrats/liberals/etc have no ability to look inward and think "are the policies and ideology I support so off the rails that I give others no choice but to vote for someone like Trump?". They don't. And until they do, and stop embracing far left Marxist positions then they leave us with little alternative.

Keep deflecting blame and responsibility for a candidate that demolished 3 straight Republican primaries. The Democrats didn't force a single Republican to do anything. You chose him over numerous viable options. His behavior is not fault of Democrats or their policies.


Primaries? lol. The Democrats haven't had a real primary since 2008. That's four elections! 2012 was understandable but Bernie was running away with 2016 until he was pushed aside for Hillary. Then in 2020 the entire diverse field was swept away for yet another old white guy. And of course 2024 amounted to a coup with the most unpopular VP in modern history being anointed the replacement for the obviously incapacitated Biden.
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The Democrat party is 100% Marxist. I will never vote against my country.
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Ag98and03 said:

BTKAG97 said:

Seems the definition of fascism changes every few years to mean whatever radical leftists need it to mean.

Here's a list of alledged characteristics. Let's take a look at the list to determine which side of the political spectrum it most properly depicts.

My comments are in italics.


The 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt (Spring 2003)

1) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays

Minus the use of the word "patriotic", this describes leftist riotors to a tee. Then again, they do have a tendency to show devotion and support to other countries if not their own.

2) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Ummmmmm.

3) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Ummmmmm.

4) Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

"Domestic Agenda" is a very broad category and is impossible to to discuss in a quick and simple manner. The importance of one person's "domestic agenda" most likely doesn't come close to another's. IMO, the Democrat party and radical leftists push idiotic agendas and do nothing but make domestic issues worse. In regards to the military; the right shows reverence to soldiers and military service but it is hardly glamorized and blowing stuff up in actions movies doesn't count.

5) Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Logical Fallacy - Red Herring and/or Strawman

6) Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Wait? Who controlls the mass media in the US?

7) Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

I'd like the audience to direct it's attention to Minnesota right now

8) Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Can't get more "intertwined" they making government your religion

9) Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

The US economic system is a mixed economy which means it is capatalistic with significant government intervention. Each side plays it's part but differ on which industries and entities will be the winners and losers.

10) Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

As they should be.

11) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Interesting that the raidical left gets to decide who is and isn't an "Intellectual". Then they go about and *******ize higher education and academia turning it into propaganda outlets which should be rejected by everyone. The rest of what is stated is - again - a logical fallacy.

12) Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Obsession? Seriously? And again with the logical fallacies.

13) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

One word: Uniparty. Though I'd say leftists steal from public coffers by an extremely large margin from non-leftists. Again, let me direct your attention to Minnesota.

14) Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Like in Georgia, Michigan, and Arizona?

I can't believe you quoted the actual definition and characteristics of fascism and then proceeded to twist into a pretzel about how MAGA isn't fascist.

1) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays

This one alone made me think....maybe the poster will see it? Trump stores, MAGA hats, people dressed to the 9s in MAGA gear, Trump flags all over everything, Trump signs, repeating "Make America Great Again" over and over.

And.... nothing. You were so close. You almost saw it.

Then dismissing many of the tenets as logical fallacies. These are the actual, historical, educated definitions of fascism.

I'm not even going to bother with the rest. If you can't see what is right in front of you with people wearing MAGA gear as an identity, then I can't help you. You are blind to the rest of it.


We arguably are a Fascist nation but it's not coming from Trump but rather has been built over several decades. Like the rest of the left you argue about style over substance as if something beyond results actually matter. Here's the economic definition of Fascism.

Quote:

Economic fascism refers to a system where the government exerts strong control over the economy while allowing for private property and market mechanisms. It combines elements of capitalism and socialism, emphasizing state intervention to promote national interests and economic growth, often through corporatism and protectionist policies.


Other than the heavy use of tariffs under Trump the rest of that has become completely entrenched in our economy. We were founded with a very weak central government yet now it is the most powerful economic entity in human history with its hands in every aspect of our lives. Trump didn't create that. What his supporters like and why they're so vehement in their defense of him is that he's the first in a long time to use that power to promote policies that seek to make America and Americans wealthier. The political establishment has become EXTREMELY focused on enriching themselves and their families by giving our money to foreign entities with a cut off the top for themselves. Now we actually find ourselves in a situation where one of the two parties is so determined to protect that system that they support policies that are obviously bad for Americans like wide open immigration of unskilled labor and violent criminals. Trump is loved because a massive portion of the population believes the system has abandoned regular Americans and they believe he's trying to change that.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

The Democrat party is 100% Marxist. I will never vote against my country.


They aren't even trying to hide it anymore. Proclaimed socialists and communists are actually winning elections in parts of the country now. That's how far along we are on our ever leftward march.
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About 80%?of that also describes Marxists and Maoists once they establish single party rule.
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Teslag said:

With all the whining and crying over "save democracy", or "that social media post is racist", or "what Trump said is so offensive" this mindset is what I always come back to. And it's amazing that democrats/liberals/etc have no ability to look inward and think "are the policies and ideology I support so off the rails that I give others no choice but to vote for someone like Trump?". They don't. And until they do, and stop embracing far left Marxist positions then they leave us with little alternative.

Exactly! Never vote democrat no matter what!
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Look at Abigail Spanberger in VA doing everything that Concerned Moderates here would like to see.

No thank you.
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eric76 said:

MJ20/20 said:

Teslag said:

With all the whining and crying over "save democracy", or "that social media post is racist", or "what Trump said is so offensive" this mindset is what I always come back to. And it's amazing that democrats/liberals/etc have no ability to look inward and think "are the policies and ideology I support so off the rails that I give others no choice but to vote for someone like Trump?". They don't. And until they do, and stop embracing far left Marxist positions then they leave us with little alternative.

You many never pull the lever for a Democrat, but your support of Democrat policies and ventures is just as, if not more, damaging in terms of individual impact. To be clear, I'm talking about one in particular and that is your 2 year plus championing the war in Ukraine via American support. This was a Democrat hotbed for laudered funds via USAID and regime change via Nuland and the CIA , whose purpose was/is to fill the coffers of incumbants, candidates, and institutions of the left. Hell, Epstein's redacted correspondees can't shut up about the benefit to American stakeholder's (Clintons, Obama, Nuland, Pelosi, Schumer, etc...) in regard to the chaos in Ukraine giong back to 2015. It's nice to say I won't vote for these American hating marxists, but you have to live it too.

If the Democrats came out in favor of breathing air, would MAGA feel compelled to putting a bag over their heads in an effort to quit breathing?


No we have more common sense than that. I bet if MAGA came out against farts though, the DEMs would embrace them and go all over crapping their pants and sniffing each other's farts like they can't get enough of it. All because of TDS.
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Vote for Democrats ? ?

You mean the people that routinely say that I am a Disgusting person for voting for Trump ? ?
You mean the people that call me a NAZI/Racist/Homophobe/Other because I have mostly Conservative Values ? ?
You mean the people that say I am a Moron/Stupid/Uneducated for supporting Republicans ? ?
You mean the people that have actually promised to put me in a re-education camp and punish me because I voted for Trump ? ? ?
You mean the people that want to take everything that I have saved and acquired through a lifetime of work because others did nothing with their lives and it is just not fair I did well ? ? ?
You mean the people that want me to be punished simply because I am a White Hetero Male ? ?

Vote for those Democrats ? ?

HELL NO ! ! !
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Mattressburn said:

Dad-O-Lot said:

Dan Carlin said:

What you all mean to say is,

"I won't vote for a Democrat, ever, regardless of the extremes of authoritarianism or the depths of soullessness that the party of Trump takes us to"

Hm? "Extremes of authoritarianism"

Kind of like, "take this untested vaccine or lose your job" authoritarianism?

or

"stop letting people post things we don't like on your platform, or you will be cancelled or worse"


"soullessness"

Kind of like, "let the rapists and drug dealers in the country, they'll end up voting for our party"

or

"defund the police"

or

"Charlie Kirk deserved it"

It was tested, and if you don't like the company rules, don't work for the company. Didn't the board want the NFL to stop the kneeling? Doesn't this board celebrate when private businesses come down with policies that agree with their POV? Washington mandated the smallpox vaccine. By your definition, you've been under that type of regime for a while. I wonder how rigorous the vaccine testing was in the 1700s. Maybe you should leave.

stop letting people post things we don't like on your platform, or you will be cancelled or worse.

Yeah cause the right never ever gets their fees fees hurt and wants to cancel someone or something. Let's call this one a draw or should I point you towards the TPUSA REAL AMERICAN HALFTIME SHOW. Trevor Noah getting sued. Lets go real far back remember when D&D was Satan Worship. Budlight, Target, the NFL, how many books have you tried to have banned again? Never have the people wanting to ban books been on the good side.

This one is hard to argue is your POV all immigrants are rapist and drug dealers? I'll need you to expand on this.


Defund the police. So while a lot of the extremes on both sides say some crazy things this being one of them. Biden actually wanted to fund the police more, but less APCs and more "Here is how you don't shoot a person who is autistic and having a breakdown"

Charlie Kirk deserved it. Again, picking out the extremes, and while I was no fan of Charlie Kirk, I completely agreed with his right to say whatever he wanted to say. Again, you're taking the extreme POV and saying every person I don't agree with thinks this way. He was the guy that said George Floyd had it coming. Maybe CK did as well. Just using his own words there.

The POTUS just shared a racist meme. While you want to paint with a broad brush with these statements. I am not picking out the extremes here, this board is proof enough that being racist wasn't a line too far. Being connected to the GOAT of Pedos even past the point that everyone knew he was a Pedo wasn't enough. Bribes from foreign governments weren't enough. I guess congratulations to you and OP, y'all are proof positive there isn't a line this POTUS can cross that you can't somehow jump through hoops for. If half of the junk that has happened while he was president happened during Obama, this board would be nuclear. A plane bribe from Qatar, a crypto wallet that people can pay into. Suing the Gov and telling the Justice Dept to settle.

You like this party because they hate who you hate. That part is pretty apparent.


Maybe step outside your bubble and get some fresh air.




LOLOLOLOLOL
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Lol. You don't know the difference between a make and a female.

And you think that we believe you know what authoritarianism is? Lol. To the left it seems to be anyone who knows the difference between males and females, illegal aliens and legal immigration, real intimidation vs liberal white saviour faux bigotry.


Useful idiots make me laugh - though they are extraordinarily dangerous.
I despise Marxists... the most repugnant people alive.
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