What is worse rectal exam or colonoscopy?

BQ78 said:

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What was wrong with Truman, Kennedy screwed up foreign policy more than him.

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Its been a while sincei i read up on the Korean War, but didnt Truman blunder there?

As i recall, we destroyed a lot of left over WWII equipment in the South because we were afraid the South would use it to attack the North. Then, when the North invaded, we pushed them back to the 38th paralell fairly quickly. But Truman didnt want to stop, and crossed into North Korea. That brought the Chicoms into the war and prolomged it four more years

Yes.

Well if you forgive Kennedy for Vietnam, Truman deserves some for Korea. Spare me the Oliver Stone history of Kennedy was getting out if he had not been shot, that's wishful thinking.

No, JFK was planimg to expand VN.. He juat died before he could.

Want to blame someone forVN? Wasnt it Truman who gave it back to the French after WWII?

Should have kicked Japan AND the French out of VN and let them be

MacArthur never gets enough blame though. He also begged to be allowed to drop 50 nuclear bombs on the Norks/Chinese, which would have surely begun WW3. His relief was one of the better decisions an American President has made in the past 80 years.

It bears noting that Roosevelt and his cabinet kept a lot secret from Truman, including the Manhattan project/Atomic bomb.

Anyway, among Democrat presidents I personally think Truman is the rare 'under-rated' ones.

He did not, it just went back to the way it was. Truman didn't "give" Hong Kong back to the UK either.

But we are derailing this thread about colostomies vs. rectal exams . We ought to take it to the history board.

jt2hunt said:

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Obama was the worst president we've had

Followed by the auto pen, followed by Biden and then followed by Carter

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I would agree, I think biden and Sotero were both worse. biden's admin did take it to another level. Because he was so incoherent his lefty friends did as much damage as they could.

Aggie Infantry said:

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Worst POTUS:
1. Lincoln - saved the Union, freed the slaves.

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FIFY

Pizza said:

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Biden

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The auto pen event should be a national outrage. This event alone makes that clown the worst ever. Some people should absolutely go to prison for a very long time. They ruled this nation without being elected. It was a silent coup by every definition. Why this is not being pursued by the Trump admin as a high priority crime is baffling to me.

nortex97 said:

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MacArthur never gets enough blame though. He also begged to be allowed to drop 50 nuclear bombs on the Norks/Chinese, which would have surely begun WW3. His relief was one of the better decisions an American President has made in the past 80 years.

It bears noting that Roosevelt and his cabinet kept a lot secret from Truman, including the Manhattan project/Atomic bomb.

Anyway, among Democrat presidents I personally think Truman is the rare 'under-rated' ones.

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Agree.

Truman made the right call on Korea. Right now thanks to his decision to defend South Korea because now they are helping the US Navy build ships.

This is probably best book I have read on the Korean War:

This Kind of War: The Classic Korean War History
Book by T. R. Fehrenbach

Mind you I'm biased on Korea since spent a year there in the mid 80's up close to the DMZ.

Also two other things Truman did recognize Israel & integrate the military.

1. LBJ. Created programs to make people dependent on government and buy off their votes. Bragged about winning the n votes for a lifetime.
2. Obamaeffective communicator that pounced on feelings and emotions to bring upon "change" in the form of socialism. It's my eternal belief that we will never overcome his destruction over the 3 terms he led the country.
3. GWBdisastrous decisions on Iraq, public education bill with Ted Kennedy, took over a surplus and spent it quickly into a solid debt that Obama pounced on to spend into oblivion. Biden was just his simp.
4.) Carterwimped out hard against the USSR and Iran, terrible inflation, and zero economic innovation, coined the Misery Index.
5.) Wilsondisastrous League of Nations that directly led to WW2 happening.

I might give GWB a little relief regarding Iraq, but the Patriot Act and mass warrantless surveillance is unforgivable.

Logos Stick said:

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Geminiv said:

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Trump is historically ranked below both.

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Only in the minds of dumbass liberals.

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Historically while still in office.

Geminiv said:

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Trump is historically ranked below both.

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False

Kashchei said:

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Obama
Biden
Carter

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Yup.

Carter did hold the record though for 28 years.

Kashchei said:

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Obama
Biden
Carter

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Biden was just the demented face of Obama's 3rd term, so the real question would be who was worse between Obama and Carter.

It's Obama...

Geminiv said:

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Trump is historically ranked below both.

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False. Operation warp speed was unprecedented and deserves recognition.

1. LBJ
2. Woodrow Wilson
3. Carter
4. (Jill?) Biden
5. FDR
6. Nixon - (price controls; china).

The 20th century had some appallingly bad presidents.
Thank god for Reagan.

Here's their latest cope.

As far as derailing our Republic completely, I would have to give the nod to Mr. AND Mrs. Wilson.

He & She built the foundation for FDR, JFK, Carter, Obama, Biden, and Autopen to all build upon. He and She transformed the United States into something that opened the door for the submerged state, and subsequent administrative state, to even exist in the first place.

Maybe worst isn't the right term. Maybe the most dangerous.

Anyone who doesn't say Carter between him and Biden or Obama doesn't know much about Carter. I mean the amount of epic fail there was incredible on all fronts.

Gave away the Panama Canal
Pushed out the Shah and gave us the Ayatollah and 50 years of terrorism
Humiliating response to the Hostage situation
Idiotic boycott of the '80 Summer games making one of the few non political things very political
Department of Education
Department of Energy
Made our military the weakest it has been since prior to WWII
Massive expansion of communism across the globe
They had to coin the phrase "Stagflation" because economists didn't think it possible to have double digit interest rates, unemployment, and inflation simultaneously until he proved the wrong
Started a lot of the environmental insanity
Essentially stopped our nuclear power plant building
National 55MPH speed limit

The list goes on and on and on with that moron. Biden was mainly a dead guy who didn't do much. Obama caused a lot of trouble but he wasn't as productive as Carter at absolute destruction.

Carter was a pretty poor President, but even worse as a former President. He really sealed that by becoming a willing useful idiot for the BCCI scandal.

Nope.

Carter held the record for 28 years, but Obama and Biden were way worse. Well. We know Biden wasn't really running the country, Obama and his cronies were, but Biden has always been a lying, racist sack of garbage.

aggie93 said:

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Anyone who doesn't say Carter between him and Biden or Obama doesn't know much about Carter. I mean the amount of epic fail there was incredible on all fronts.

Gave away the Panama Canal
Pushed out the Shah and gave us the Ayatollah and 50 years of terrorism
Humiliating response to the Hostage situation
Idiotic boycott of the '80 Summer games making one of the few non political things very political
Department of Education
Department of Energy
Made our military the weakest it has been since prior to WWII
Massive expansion of communism across the globe
They had to coin the phrase "Stagflation" because economists didn't think it possible to have double digit interest rates, unemployment, and inflation simultaneously until he proved the wrong
Started a lot of the environmental insanity
Essentially stopped our nuclear power plant building
National 55MPH speed limit

The list goes on and on and on with that moron. Biden was mainly a dead guy who didn't do much. Obama caused a lot of trouble but he wasn't as productive as Carter at absolute destruction.

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Carter was despicable, but you can't pin the 55 mph speed limit on him.

Carter did a lot of dumb but he wasn't actively trying to **** America.

But Carter did give us Billy Beer, so there's that.

doubledog said:

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What is worse rectal exam or colonoscopy?

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Well you're under anesthesia for a colonoscopy, so obviously the rectal exam. The prep for it is nasty, but the actual procedure you're not aware of.

AggieVictor10 said:

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Geminiv said:

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Trump is historically ranked below both.

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False. Operation warp speed was unprecedented and deserves recognition.

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How many shots have you had?

annie88 said:

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doubledog said:

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What is worse rectal exam or colonoscopy?

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Well you're under anesthesia for a colonoscopy, so obviously the rectal exam. The prep for it is nasty, but the actual procedure you're not aware of.

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I think that the anesthesia for a colonoscopy is generally just a US sort of thing.

By the way, a Japanese doctor did his own colonoscopy using a special chair and a more flexible colonoscope.

Geminiv said:

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Trump is historically ranked, by liberals, below both.

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FIFY

annie88 said:

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Carter did a lot of dumb but he wasn't actively trying to **** America.

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This. And though, inexperienced he was not a puppet. When the truth is eventually called by objective historians Biden will be rated the worst ever. The auto-pen fiasco alone was an egregious crime against the American people.

You know, Carter not supporting the Shah has led to the complete destabilization of the mideast.

9/11 is due to Carter.
Yemen is due to Carter.
Hezbollah is due to Carter.
Hamas is due to Carter.

He was an unmitigated disaster.

Aggie Infantry said:

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Worst POTUS:
1. Lincoln - saved the Union but destroyed the Republic
2. Wilson - income tax and senator election amendments
3. Obama - set race relations back 50 years
4. Biden - theft of election and money
5. FDR - the "great society" (I'll have those _______ voting Democrat for 100 years.)
6. Carter - useful idiot

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#5 was LBJ, although FDR belongs on this list as well.