Interesting video on enrollment at UT-Austin

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Their enrollment is definitely not representative of our state population. People here don't care about tu but our tax dollars go to all universities in this state. I know the auto admits also contribute to this issue, but the democrats in the legislature aren't going to change that. A&M has been a beneficiary of tu's skewed demographics- we just have too many students.

The video is about H1B visas and their influence on our universities, but it is also time to look at student visas and how much money international students bring in to the universities. A&M has issues with student visas as well. Is the balance correct? Are we taking too many international students at the detriment of our own residents?

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It's representative of the way the suburbs are trending: Asian. Look at the top ten lists distributed by schools at the end of every year, majority Asian. I suppose it's our fault for letting so many of their parents in. Tech for everyone else I guess.
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All on h1B visas that can be revoked.
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I mean, don't Asians dominate whites in general when it comes to class rankings and SAT scores?
And how many of the Asians represented above are 2nd, 3rd, etc generation Americans?
I see this having to do more with how serious and driven Asian Americans are when it comes to education.
Also, in recent years, haven't the Ivy league schools been discriminating against Asians when it comes to acceptance? Because now they aren't "diverse enough?"
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I'd like to see ours. It's probably not much different. If Costco in College Station is any indication, it's similar.
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TyHolden said:

I'd like to see ours. It's probably not much different. If Costco in College Station is any indication, it's similar.


Undergraduate enrollment is 49.7% White, 26.4% Hispanic, 14.9% Asian, 1% International, 3.4% black
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TommyBrady said:

TyHolden said:

I'd like to see ours. It's probably not much different. If Costco in College Station is any indication, it's similar.


Undergraduate enrollment is 49.7% White, 26.4% Hispanic, 14.9% Asian, 1% International, 3.4% black

Now give me the Costco stats!
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TyHolden said:

TommyBrady said:

TyHolden said:

I'd like to see ours. It's probably not much different. If Costco in College Station is any indication, it's similar.


Undergraduate enrollment is 49.7% White, 26.4% Hispanic, 14.9% Asian, 1% International, 3.4% black

Now give me the Costco stats!


And while you're at it, hook me up with a $1.50 dog and soda.
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Texas will be the new california, and in a way, Texas was what california used to be before they went crazy
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Their enrollment is definitely not representative of our state population. People here don't care about tu but our tax dollars go to all universities in this state. I know the auto admits also contribute to this issue, but the democrats in the legislature aren't going to change that. A&M has been a beneficiary of tu's skewed demographics- we just have too many students.

The video is about H1B visas and their influence on our universities, but it is also time to look at student visas and how much money international students bring in to the universities. A&M has issues with student visas as well. Is the balance correct? Are we taking too many international students at the detriment of our own residents?



Your post has a lot of misinformation.

First off almost no one is on an H-1 as a student, they are on an F-1 and then can apply for an OPT after graduation that gives them up to 3 years to apply for an H-1. H-1's are employee sponsored visas.

Second, very few undergrad students are on visa. There are a lot of restrictions for foreign students for undergrad (esp at a public school). I would be surprised if there are more than a couple hundred undergrads on visa at Texas or A&M. The F-1s are overwhelmingly grad students in STEM majors, that is where you see overwhelming numbers. In part this is because US Citizens are less likely to go to get a Masters and they are filling slots with visa students paying OOS tuition. That is a problem but it's important to understand the problem.

Finally, "Asian" certainly doesn't mean on visa. US Citizens that are Asian are the highest performing group of students in part because they are typically the children of immigrants. These are kids that were born and raised in the US (though often their parents immigrated) and their parents often have grad degrees in STEM and their culture is that succeeding in academics is a requirement not an option. My son's good friend and study buddy at school is one, born and raised in the US but both parents are Duke PhD's, insanely smart kid who took Linear Algebra in High School and had a 1600 SAT. My neighbor has one kid finishing Residency at UPenn and a the other at Stanford (both incredibly accomplished kids who were born and raised here, one had a 1590 and the other a 1600 SAT) and the Dad has a Masters in Chem Engineering and an MBA while the Mom is a Pharmacist. Then you have a ton of kids that are just below that level and end up at A&M and Texas.

There is a real problem with H-1s and the reforms that Trump is enacting are excellent but it's important to actually understand it otherwise you see crap like "X amount of kids are Asian at colleges so they are all on H-1s!"
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TAMU1990 said:




Just to make the statistics clear. If you go from 2 Asian students to 3 Asian students the enrollment will increase 50% for Asian students.

see How to Lie with Statistics : Darrell-Huff
https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728
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Can be but we don't have the stones to do it.
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This drives home what I have been saying for years. So-called "Whiteness" and "Privilege" is simply a set of optimal life choices that, traditionally, whites have been better at maintaining than others…but now we have fallen behind the Asians in that regard.

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If you look at current enrollment numbers for Texas, whites are now about 39% and Asians are 20%, but I've also seen sources showing whites up to 45%. The trend numbers in that tweet are probably mostly accurate considering how diverse Austin has forced their school to be.

Recent freshman class trends I've looked at show it's getting even less white with whites comprising around 30-35% of incoming freshman.

From a statistical standpoint, when we say Asian female I'm not sure what we mean by that anymore. Now that we've very recently started including both Indians and Orientals as "Asian" I think this muddies the waters. It's two distinct races much less ethnicity, but we are going to lump them together because of geography?

If we are going to do that then why don't we have a North American group? These demographic stats no longer compare apples to apples which confuses things.

My wife has been a guest professor at Texas in the recent past, and just in the handful of years she did this she saw her classes change almost totally to Oriental Asians.
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aggie93 said:

TAMU1990 said:



Their enrollment is definitely not representative of our state population. People here don't care about tu but our tax dollars go to all universities in this state. I know the auto admits also contribute to this issue, but the democrats in the legislature aren't going to change that. A&M has been a beneficiary of tu's skewed demographics- we just have too many students.

The video is about H1B visas and their influence on our universities, but it is also time to look at student visas and how much money international students bring in to the universities. A&M has issues with student visas as well. Is the balance correct? Are we taking too many international students at the detriment of our own residents?



Your post has a lot of misinformation.

First off almost no one is on an H-1 as a student, they are on an F-1 and then can apply for an OPT after graduation that gives them up to 3 years to apply for an H-1. H-1's are employee sponsored visas.

Second, very few undergrad students are on visa. There are a lot of restrictions for foreign students for undergrad (esp at a public school). I would be surprised if there are more than a couple hundred undergrads on visa at Texas or A&M. The F-1s are overwhelmingly grad students in STEM majors, that is where you see overwhelming numbers. In part this is because US Citizens are less likely to go to get a Masters and they are filling slots with visa students paying OOS tuition. That is a problem but it's important to understand the problem.

Finally, "Asian" certainly doesn't mean on visa. US Citizens that are Asian are the highest performing group of students in part because they are typically the children of immigrants. These are kids that were born and raised in the US (though often their parents immigrated) and their parents often have grad degrees in STEM and their culture is that succeeding in academics is a requirement not an option. My son's good friend and study buddy at school is one, born and raised in the US but both parents are Duke PhD's, insanely smart kid who took Linear Algebra in High School and had a 1600 SAT. My neighbor has one kid finishing Residency at UPenn and a the other at Stanford (both incredibly accomplished kids who were born and raised here, one had a 1590 and the other a 1600 SAT) and the Dad has a Masters in Chem Engineering and an MBA while the Mom is a Pharmacist. Then you have a ton of kids that are just below that level and end up at A&M and Texas.

There is a real problem with H-1s and the reforms that Trump is enacting are excellent but it's important to actually understand it otherwise you see crap like "X amount of kids are Asian at colleges so they are all on H-1s!"

Their parents were/are H1B visa holders. I don't support chain migration.

I know Asian can also mean American. I have no problem with Americans.
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This has far more to do with SCOTUS ruling on use of race in admissions.

It was widely known that race based admissions were discriminatory against Asians more than any group.
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Squadron7 said:

This drives home what I have been saying for years. So-called "Whiteness" and "Privilege" is simply a set of optimal life choices that, traditionally, whites have been better at maintaining than others…but now we have fallen behind the Asians in that regard.



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YouBet said:

If you look at current enrollment numbers for Texas, whites are now about 39% and Asians are 20%, but I've also seen sources showing whites up to 45%. The trend numbers in that tweet are probably mostly accurate considering how diverse Austin has forced their school to be.

Recent freshman class trends I've looked at show it's getting even less white with whites comprising around 30-35% of incoming freshman.

From a statistical standpoint, when we say Asian female I'm not sure what we mean by that anymore. Now that we've very recently started including both Indians and Orientals as "Asian" I think this muddies the waters. It's two distinct races much less ethnicity, but we are going to lump them together because of geography?

If we are going to do that then why don't we have a North American group? These demographic stats no longer compare apples to apples which confuses things.

My wife has been a guest professor at Texas in the recent past, and just in the handful of years she did this she saw her classes change almost totally to Oriental Asians.

These statistics include graduate students, who are recruited to fill GTA/GRA positions. It is a hard life for a graduate student, low pay, long hours and sometimes a hostile work environment. Few US students want to or are qualified to fill these positions. A good example is our graduate school in engineering (TAMU), first year grad students are not usually paid their first year.
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College is in a full blown admissions crisis (apocalypse isn't too dramatic), so I would expect massive changes independent of any immigration policy changes. For example, only 33% of people now believe going to college and getting a degree is "worth it." That's down from ~75% just a decade ago.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-dramatic-shift-americans-no-longer-see-four-year-college-degrees-rcna243672

Is never been more expensive, the debt is crippling, it hasn't changed its curriculum to account for the AI wave, unemployment numbers for new grads are skyrocketing, and there are far cheaper alternatives for learning. Huge swaths of people are saying nah F that. So I think it's a mistake to look at it through an exchange student lens. It's not that our students can't get in, it's that they think it's a waste of time and money (and the numbers say they're probably not wrong).
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It's not that our students can't get in, it's that they think it's a waste of time and money (and the numbers say they're probably not wrong).


Yet record numbers applying.


Adults understanding the college may not be worth it does not seem to be translating to high school students choosing a different path yet.
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Can't speak for last 3 or so years, but when checked last in like 2021, A&M was doing a solid job of looking like the state.
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I don't think "looking like the state" should be a goal

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Is there any date to prove kiddos of H1B parents are dominating enrollment at UT and A&M? There was certainly no proof presented by whomever that was in the OP's twitter video. He just makes a gigantic unsubstantiated leap and mentions H1B.

My kids go to a big high school and the top 20+ are dominated by Asia and Indian kids. I've followed most of these kids largely up from elementary school as all my kids are GT/ KAP/AP with them. I don't know of any of them that are H1B.
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Parents probably were.
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I know these kids' parents. That's my point. My kids have spent the last ~10 years working on projects a their houses, our house, the library, etc.
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Sure, I bet you think all the suburbs should get every spot in every good school.
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I dunno what this says other than Asians work harder than their white counter parts. Have you seen any white kids from public schools recently? I'm a bit shocked they can get into University of Phoenix. I figured the white males just gave up because they can make mid 6 figs doing other things like sales instead of pissing away a bunch of money for four years. The four year college degree scam ship is sinking in my opinion.
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TAMU1990 said:

aggie93 said:

TAMU1990 said:



Their enrollment is definitely not representative of our state population. People here don't care about tu but our tax dollars go to all universities in this state. I know the auto admits also contribute to this issue, but the democrats in the legislature aren't going to change that. A&M has been a beneficiary of tu's skewed demographics- we just have too many students.

The video is about H1B visas and their influence on our universities, but it is also time to look at student visas and how much money international students bring in to the universities. A&M has issues with student visas as well. Is the balance correct? Are we taking too many international students at the detriment of our own residents?



Your post has a lot of misinformation.

First off almost no one is on an H-1 as a student, they are on an F-1 and then can apply for an OPT after graduation that gives them up to 3 years to apply for an H-1. H-1's are employee sponsored visas.

Second, very few undergrad students are on visa. There are a lot of restrictions for foreign students for undergrad (esp at a public school). I would be surprised if there are more than a couple hundred undergrads on visa at Texas or A&M. The F-1s are overwhelmingly grad students in STEM majors, that is where you see overwhelming numbers. In part this is because US Citizens are less likely to go to get a Masters and they are filling slots with visa students paying OOS tuition. That is a problem but it's important to understand the problem.

Finally, "Asian" certainly doesn't mean on visa. US Citizens that are Asian are the highest performing group of students in part because they are typically the children of immigrants. These are kids that were born and raised in the US (though often their parents immigrated) and their parents often have grad degrees in STEM and their culture is that succeeding in academics is a requirement not an option. My son's good friend and study buddy at school is one, born and raised in the US but both parents are Duke PhD's, insanely smart kid who took Linear Algebra in High School and had a 1600 SAT. My neighbor has one kid finishing Residency at UPenn and a the other at Stanford (both incredibly accomplished kids who were born and raised here, one had a 1590 and the other a 1600 SAT) and the Dad has a Masters in Chem Engineering and an MBA while the Mom is a Pharmacist. Then you have a ton of kids that are just below that level and end up at A&M and Texas.

There is a real problem with H-1s and the reforms that Trump is enacting are excellent but it's important to actually understand it otherwise you see crap like "X amount of kids are Asian at colleges so they are all on H-1s!"

Their parents were/are H1B visa holders. I don't support chain migration.

I know Asian can also mean American. I have no problem with Americans.

Their parents are now US Citizens and have been for a long time. Not sure if they were still on visa or had a GC or were citizens at the moment of their child's birth. That said it's a very slippery slope if you are talking about someone that is here on a legal visa and is now a citizen and saying that their children cannot also be citizens. I don't think you can make a good argument that someone who is a citizen who has children that those children shouldn't also be able to be citizens in virtually all cases. I'm all for having a high bar for citizenship (and we generally do, esp for folks going through the H-1B process as that's almost always someone who has had to pay a hell of a lot of fees and follow a hell of a lot of regulations while working and paying taxes for well over a decade lawfully). That said we can agree to disagree I suppose.

Main point though is the posting was very misleading and I pointed out the parts that were misleading. I'm a big advocate for reform but I also recognize that there are some incredibly talented and fantastic people that are immigrants here and have contributed to the US. I mean I'm happy a guy like Elon Musk came here for instance. and I think his kids should be citizens. Should we have a high bar and get rid of crap like the H-1B lottery instead of a merit based system? Absolutely, but that's a very different conversation.

FWIW I have another neighbor where one parent has a Green Card and the other has their I140 approved and will soon have his. They have 2 kids and one went to Texas and graduated with a 3.96 and is in Med School and the other is at A&M. Both kids are on Student Visas because their parents weren't citizens and they were born in India so they are paying OOS tuition. The kids are very Americanized and smart but they will have a much harder time than citizens. The elder son in Med School had incredible qualifications but wasn't able to get into the level of Med School he expected and the younger son is worried about getting a job after he graduates because of his visa situation. They may or may not be able to stay. They accept it and are just working with the system.

This is just very hard to have a "one size fits all" solution. Personally I'm in favor of keeping the best and brightest and applying merit as the primary driver as well as the willingness of companies to pay them a high salary (I know plenty of H-1s that make over $400k, a company isn't paying them that to save money they are paying for talent). I'm all for shipping 75% of H-1s home and for coming down HARD on Universities that abuse the F-1 System and setting limits of no more than 20% of students (or more harsh) in any major at any level from being on visa. It's a serious problem to have so many schools where 80% of the Grad School student in Comp Sci are on visa for instance and that's very common. We need give favorable treatment to US Citizens at every turn and in the case of Public Universities we need to favor Residents who are Citizens even more heavily from admissions to research opportunities.
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Deputy Travis Junior said:

College is in a full blown admissions crisis (apocalypse isn't too dramatic), so I would expect massive changes independent of any immigration policy changes. For example, only 33% of people now believe going to college and getting a degree is "worth it." That's down from ~75% just a decade ago.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-dramatic-shift-americans-no-longer-see-four-year-college-degrees-rcna243672

Is never been more expensive, the debt is crippling, it hasn't changed its curriculum to account for the AI wave, unemployment numbers for new grads are skyrocketing, and there are far cheaper alternatives for learning. Huge swaths of people are saying nah F that. So I think it's a mistake to look at it through an exchange student lens. It's not that our students can't get in, it's that they think it's a waste of time and money (and the numbers say they're probably not wrong).


The biggest issue in cost of Universities is that after they started Guaranteed Student Loans the Universities the schools exploded in employees that aren't professors. They added massive administration and went into so many areas that have little to do with education. DEI gets the most pub of course but the administrative weight of many schools overall is just staggering. Some elite schools like Ivies and Stanford have more employees than students.

Universities also killed themselves by destroying the Liberal Arts curriculum from one that focused on teaching critical thinking to one that teaches memorization and indoctrination. They are overwhelmingly Left leaning, some departments are 100% Democrat and most are 90% plus. That destroyed the entire point of the Liberal Arts and learning how to critically think and understand broader perspectives to challenge and argue. Now it's just a circle jerk of Woke ideology and it has no value in the business world and can actually be a negative. A lot of companies would rather avoid hiring a person with a Liberal Arts Degree now than to hire them and that's a shame. Fundamentally a Liberal Arts education was what colleges were based around and they have mortally wounded that for the most part.

So that makes college for most only to have value as an advanced trade school. The majors that are valued are engineering, business, and other STEM majors for the most part and the expectation is to have internships. That's very different than 50 years ago. With an increased cost the customer expects more value but many colleges have done everything they can to avoid that reality.
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AxelFoley85 said:

Tech for everyone else I guess.


My niece & nephew & all their HS friends like to say "if you dont get your grades up you will have to get your guns up"
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When I used to recruit college kids back in the mid 90s I would blow the minds of these Asian kids with perfect grades with a simple question:

"What do you do for fun?"

Very few could answer that question. I'd then throw their resume in the trash.
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More divide and conquer bull**** as if the folks who have an issue with this actually care about black and hispanic males.
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