ABATTBQ11 said:

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TexasRebel said:

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If they're already digital, why are you using images?

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Because that's how construction/engineering plans are made

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Digitally, yes.

So someone thinks it's efficient to turn data, input by an engineer into a picture, then make a computer try to turn it back into the data that was originally input by the engineer…

Democrats, huh?

This happened at a casino too.

It's amazing to me how long it takes prosecutors to drop the charges

TexasRebel said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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TexasRebel said:

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If they're already digital, why are you using images?

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Because that's how construction/engineering plans are made

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Digitally, yes.

So someone thinks it's efficient to turn data, input by an engineer into a picture, then make a computer try to turn it back into the data that was originally input by the engineer…

Democrats, huh?

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Just stop. You have no idea what you're talking about, but you keep digging this hole.

Time for the Mercy Court:

itsyourboypookie said:

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This happened at a casino too.

It's amazing to me how long it takes prosecutors to drop the charges

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Prosecutor in that case didn't. Guy had to fight it in court and get the judge to (reluctantly) dismiss it. I don't understand how a prosecutor with an ounce of intellect looks at those facts and moves forward. X was trespassed from the casino. Y was initially identified as X, but then confirmed to be Y in multiple ways. Still charged with trespassing as Y because X had been trespassed.

Really. May look you guys up. We used to have a weekly game in north of Lindsay, But 3 of the older guys passed, and the rest of us just sort of gave it up. Miss it.

You're assuming the prosecutor wants actual justice and not just a win on the CV.

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Really. May look you guys up. We used to have a weekly game in north of Lindsay, But 3 of the older guys passed, and the rest of us just sort of gave it up. Miss it.

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Game has been going on for 30 years. We play a low stakes tournament for the first two hours and then a pretty low stakes cash game for the next two hours. Cash is a round of 1/2 NLH followed by a round of dealers choice. Most of the dealers choice is two, three and four card $5 double bomb pots. Room is in a barn on a horse farm that has been converted to a poker room and has HVAC.

I watched the videos, including the clickbait one. Even the defense attorney said AI was not the issue, poor police work was. The litigation attorney blamed it partially on AI, but he is also suing, so that conclusion benefits him.

Using AI to identify lookalikes is not different than looking through a photo lineup. It just identifies suspects. It's still incumbent on the police and DA and the judge to do a proper job.

Without having seen the Criminal Complaint, this doesn't look anywhere like probable cause was established. The fact that they paid to extradite her on flimsy grounds seems like a waste of taxpayer dollars and everyone's time.

Spending so long in jail after the arrest is on her though. She would have been there in a few days, but she fought extradition so it's not like they made the choice to keep her there for months, instead of days.

She should be suing and they should settle because they were clearly in the wrong. However, because this is in litigation, they would be fools to admit culpability and add another zero on the end of the settlement amount.

There is also some missing information that may be important here. Was her ID and/or checkbook stolen? A fraudulent ID card was used, and if it were hers, then PC would be established. This is a common fraud crime committed around the country, known as a "felony lane gang" crime, named after the originators of the crime, although now it is an MO, not one particular gang (although it still primarily originates out of Ft Lauderdale, FL).

I am still trying to wrap my brain around the fact that there is still a place in this country where you could be locked up for months for the extremely violent crime of bank fraud.

The problem is overtrust in AI, not the AI tools.

From the reports I've seen, the warrant affidavit was based on photographic matching. There's no indication her identity was stolen or someone was actually pretending to be her. It was just someone who happened to look like her. The photo matching algorithms screwed up but were blindly trusted.

Her fighting extradition was her own choice after meeting with an attorney. It's a hard decision for someone in that position to make.

TexasRebel said:

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You're assuming the prosecutor wants actual justice and not just a win on the CV.

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Oh I know that's what they're after. I just don't understand how they could look at that and think they could win. Seems like a huge waste of time of they're looking for an easy W.

TexasRebel said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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TexasRebel said:

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If they're already digital, why are you using images?

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Because that's how construction/engineering plans are made

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Digitally, yes.

So someone thinks it's efficient to turn data, input by an engineer into a picture, then make a computer try to turn it back into the data that was originally input by the engineer…

Democrats, huh?

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wow

InfantryAg said:

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I watched the videos, including the clickbait one. Even the defense attorney said AI was not the issue, poor police work was. The litigation attorney blamed it partially on AI, but he is also suing, so that conclusion benefits him.

Using AI to identify lookalikes is not different than looking through a photo lineup. It just identifies suspects. It's still incumbent on the police and DA and the judge to do a proper job.

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It is both.

For one, the AI company took a terrible still from a video and tried to match it. For two, they matched someone several states away. That's just bad QA/QC work on their part, and they should do better to require higher quality images. They should also take a much more humble approach, as much as that would hurt their marketing, and understand that matching a photo, especially a low quality one, against billions of pictures across the internet is going to produce false positives. They need a big disclaimer noting that, especially when their results bring up someone well outside the geographical area of the request.

Using AI to identify lookalikes is much different than using photo lineups. It's automated, and you don't know who it passed up along the way. It is also reviewing far more people, and the vast majority of them have no connection to the area or criminal history. If you're looking for a suspect, do you start looking at every picture Facebook or DMV photos from other states? Probably not, but that and more is what you're doing with AI.


As for her fighting extradition, what's she supposed to do, allow herself to be extradited for a crime in a place she knows she's never been and pay for a trip home just to have a conversation the Fargo police should have had over the phone or asked officers in Tennessee to have? I imagine most people in her shoes would fight extradition because it's ****ing stupid and beyond a simple inconvenience.

We don't know which still they took. The one from the video taken right after she walked in the door looks like her doppelganger. There were most likely close up pics. These suspects are picked because they look very similar to the stolen identification and oftentimes wear disguises.

As I stated, they shouldn't rely on a picture, or social media lookalike. I have used image searches and AI to find lookalikes, as one step to identify possible suspects. I have also looked through numerous facebook pages, police bulletins and watched videos of similar crimes, to try to identify my suspects. The AI was a much more effective use of time. I then investigated to eliminate people from the suspect pool before further investigation.

I have never met a DA / AUSA or federal or state judge that would sign off on a warrant based on a picture match. I wouldn't even know what to write in an affidavit to convince someone this was enough for probable cause for an arrest. So, until I see the actual affidavit, I'm going to assume there is more to this story. I will accept that if it was just based on just this, that judge and DA need to be held accountable, because that is beyond a mistake, it is malfeasance. The department needs training, but there is a reason most jurisdictions require a DA/AUSA to review a warrant before submission.

She is within her right to fight extradition. It just means that she is going to sit in jail till that's resolved; Her choice. If she hadn't, the agency would have had there in a matter of days. I'm not judging her decision, just stating the facts of the matter.

These frauds are committed by people who travel all around the country and they are transported in rental cars by their handlers. Again, without the actual affidavit, we are all just arguing about this in conjecture.

https://efraudprevention.net/home/education/?a=329

ErnestEndeavor said:

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The problem is overtrust in AI, not the AI tools.

From the reports I've seen, the warrant affidavit was based on photographic matching. There's no indication her identity was stolen or someone was actually pretending to be her. It was just someone who happened to look like her. The photo matching algorithms screwed up but were blindly trusted.

Her fighting extradition was her own choice after meeting with an attorney. It's a hard decision for someone in that position to make.

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I agree, with the caveat the reports of the affidavit do not bear anywhere near the weight of the actual affidavit.

Did she meet with an attorney; and did he tell her she would remain in jail for the amount of time it took to resolve that issue? I wouldn't have made that choice (unless I actually was guilty of a major crime and wanted to prolong an inevitable conviction), but it was hers to make.

He referred to it as technology, he was warning about AI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski

infinity ag said:

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Pizza said:

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infinity ag said:

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hee hee hee hee hee

And this is going to take over everyone's jobs?

ho ho ho ho

AI is a mathematical equation. Like z = 3x + 5y. Just a very very very complex one. It isn't magic.

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It's definitely an improvement over a traditional internet search, and at the high end with enough power it can do some really cool things....but I agree, it isn't magic. Just a sophisticated model that generates an output.

Hopefully people aren't stupid enough to start believing it has consciousness or sentient qualities.........

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That it is. Absolutely. And I use it every day. Like yesterday I used it as a guide to help me fill up an attorney intake form for trust creation. It was great. It also helps me with some code to do some personal projects.

But it is not magic and will not take over the world. You will see clueless Boomers have FOMO and not want to look uninformed so they pop into threads and say things like "my company has adopted AI and we see immense gains... production is up and costs are down!". These people are usually non-technical sales&marketing types who are mostly full of bluster and don't want to be seen as being left behind or OMG "old". So they read a few LinkedIn posts (now full of scammy Indian AI influencers selling you courses), and memorize a few catch words/phrases like "hallucination" or "vibe coding" or "agentic AI" to impress their buddies.

What will happen is some corps like Meta and now Oracle, also with corporate FOMO wanting to "win the AI race" and will layoff 10s or 20s or thousands to free up money for datacenters. Oracle did it today. Companies are not yet using AI in any meaningful way to cut costs drastically at scale that needs so many layoffs. 99% of the AI layoffs are because they want to cut projects and build AI infra.

Oracle lays off employees as it curbs costs during AI buildout
https://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-layoffs-employees-costs-ai-buildout-job-cuts-2026-3

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I take care of elderly people and I love how disrespectful you are to them. Let me let you in on a little secret boy, you will be old someday too unless you die younger, and per scripture your disrespect of them God will not take kindly and you will be judged for your lack of respect. Your lack of kindness will put you squarely in hell. But hey you keep being you. Hopefully God will show you mercy for your arrogance and stupidity.