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This after the whole building was gutted and rebuilt due to structural concerns only a decade earlier under Truman.

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I could be wrong, but Jackie O's efforts were basically sprucing the place up with donated furniture and art from previous historical eras.

For some reason, the distinction lies in the permanent alterations to the structure.

This is all kind of silly as, in the rapidly diminishing probability that Trump gets this thing built, future political leaders are more than likely going to convert it into office space, rename it after Joe Biden, and move forward.

This sounds like an Onion article.

"Judge orders Trump to go fish out all the debris from the demolition of the East Wing and put it back together."

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Judge orders Trump administration to halt White House ballroom construction unless Congress OKs it :: WRAL.com

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Out of all judicial rulings and suits, I never expected this one to be important.

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Maybe congress will withdraw the funds for the ballroom, oh wait ....

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Haven't read the order, just a WSJ story, and apparently, the judge is saying that spending the money, even if it is donated, requires an appropriation from Congress. Goodness knows how many changes have been made to the White House over the years without an Act of Congress authorizing it.

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This is not correct. Major renovations have historically been approved by Congress.

The renovation during the Bush and Trump administration was approved by Congress.

Truman went to Congress and received approval and funding for the 1948 reno

Calvin Coolidge went to congress and received funding and approval for the 1927 reno.

Fords pool was not . . .

Obama's bball court was not

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Clinton's jogging track probably wasn't.

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I can't remember if his humidor was paid for or not.

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This after the whole building was gutted and rebuilt due to structural concerns only a decade earlier under Truman.

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I could be wrong, but Jackie O's efforts were basically sprucing the place up with donated furniture and art from previous historical eras.

For some reason, the distinction lies in the permanent alterations to the structure.

This is all kind of silly as, in the rapidly diminishing probability that Trump gets this thing built, future political leaders are more than likely going to convert it into office space, rename it after Joe Biden, and move forward.

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No in mass hypocrisy, they'll admit that that WH does need a much bigger formal reception space, have it built with no congressional approval, name it after Biden and every Dem will clap and say "he did it the RIGHT way!"

Absolute bull**** just ignore these ****ing ridiculous judges. Funny they had no problems with other presidents making changes. Seriously I am so sick of this ******* *****

All done without congressional approval. Just keep the project rolling.

Theodore Roosevelt (1902): Replaced greenhouse buildings with the first "West Wing" and built the East Terrace.

William Howard Taft (1909): Expanded the West Wing and constructed the first standalone Oval Office.

Franklin D. Roosevelt (19331934): Added a second floor to the West Wing, moved the Oval Office to its current location, and added an indoor swimming pool.

Harry S. Truman (19481952): Completely gutted the interior to rebuild it, which, although ultimately authorized by Congress, was initiated under his direction due to severe structural instability.

Richard Nixon (19701973): Converted the FDR swimming pool into the press briefing room and added a bowling alley.

Obama's basketball court too.

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So we need to leave an open pit next to the White House for now until whenever ? ?

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The ruling halts above-ground construction.

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So the ChiComs and Russians can overfly the new underground command center and take lots of photos?

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They already can. The site is not tented like other security-related projects were.

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I could be wrong, but Jackie O's efforts were basically sprucing the place up with donated furniture and art from previous historical eras.

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Actually, furnishings and art that have been in the WH have been and ar warehoused. So she selected those pieces and had the restorations done, as required. Which is how she already knew that the catafalque for Abe Lincoln was there when JFK was shot and she used it her husband.

But Jackie's restoration was not superficial, not when 32 million in early 1960s money was requred. Crap ton of money for back then. Could build a skyscraper for that much back then.

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Is it possible that Trump didn't actually have the authority to tear down a wing of the White House without consulting anyone first?

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Good point. I think he has to run all renovations through Judge Boasberg first.

Just ignore it. He has no enforcement jurisdiction. !!

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Just ignore it. He has no enforcement jurisdiction. !!

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That is exactly what the left wants Trump to do. That's the larger strategy here.

Run all kinds of lawless suits up the pole hoping Trump gets fed up and says **** you.

Then the next Dem president, who will be completely lawless, will use that as justification to ignore the courts.

That's the real end game here.

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The Lincoln catafalque had been stored in Washington's Crypt in the US Capitol Building since Lincoln's funeral. It's location was well known. You're probably referring to a book about Lincoln's funeral proceedings that was located in the WH library.

LOL, another arrow in the quiver of fail for the No Kings protestor logic. I don't think a King would get told to stop building his castle.

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If we are ruling that Congress gets to control spending that doesn't consist of federal tax dollars that is one of the most dangerous precedents you could set

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As I read it, that was not the substance of the lawsuit of the judge's opinion. He had shot down several other requested injunctions from the same group in the past few weeks on other grounds.

Here is the opinion.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.287645/gov.uscourts.dcd.287645.60.0_2.pdf

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40 USC 8106

"building or structure shall not be erected on any reservation, park, or public grounds of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia without express authority of Congress."

54 USC 1001

management" and "administration" of federal buildings "shall not be exercised in derogation of the values and purposes for which the System units have been established, except as directly and specifically provided by Congress."

He concludes:

"This case, in essence, is about whether the President has the authority to build a ballroom on White House grounds with private funds without seeking authorization from Congress. The National Trust asserts that Defendants' actions are ultra vires of statutory authority and violate the APA.

The Property Clause vests Congress with complete authority over public lands. ("The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States.").

"Congress exercises the powers both of a proprietor and of a legislature over the public domain,and those powers are "without limitations," id. at 539 This "broad" grant of authority "extends to ... personal and real property rightfully belonging to the United States."

Together, the Property Clause, the Appropriations Clause, and the District Clause establish Congress's primacy over federal property, spending, and the District of Columbia. Indeed, Defendants have declined to argue that they have any inherent constitutional authority to build the ballroom.

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Which is how she already knew that the catafalque for Abe Lincoln was there when JFK was shot and she used it her husband.

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Can't remember the name of the biographer she approved, Manchester I think? But she claimed she knew about it the catafalque because of her WH restoration project and that's why she specifically requested it.

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Which is how she already knew that the catafalque for Abe Lincoln was there when JFK was shot and she used it her husband.

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Can't remember the name of the biographer she approved, Manchester I think? But she claimed she knew about it the catafalque because of her WH restoration project and that's why she specifically requested it.

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William Manchester, yes. His book, The Death of a President, is in my collection. Jackie had seen the book on Lincoln's funeral in the library and retrieved it almost immediately upon her return to the White House from Dallas. She wanted to emulate Lincoln's funeral as much as possible.

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Is it possible that Trump didn't actually have the authority to tear down a wing of the White House without consulting anyone first?

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You guys need better talking points.

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How is asking this question a talking point? What is the authority for a President to order a major construction project on federal property without Congressional approval?

The National Capital Planning Act appears to require the National Capital Planning Commission to approve these projects ahead of time. They were bypassed on this one. Under section 8722:

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The National Capital Planning Act requires federal agencies to submit project plans and development proposals for federal property to the Commission for review. Depending upon the project's location (within or outside Washington), the Commission either approves the project or provides recommendations (advisory authority). The Commission's approval authority extends to review of federal agency projects that include, without limitation, buildings, uses, structures, and signage on federally owned-land in Washington, DC.

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I'm curious why this doesn't apply here. Congress put a mechanism in place to carry out these projects.

And see the above post with the law quoted by the judge in the ruling. Why does that not apply?

The NCPC seems to be the authority Congress put place to approve these projects. I don't know why the judge would require a Congressional vote here. Why would they not have approval authority?

They meet this week to approve the construction.

Thought this post was gonna be about Noem's busty husband.

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Is it possible that Trump didn't actually have the authority to tear down a wing of the White House without consulting anyone first?

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Obama did it, so Trump probably thought it was ok. He didn't realize Obama was using Black privilege though

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Just ignore it. He has no enforcement jurisdiction. !!

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That is exactly what the left wants Trump to do. That's the larger strategy here.

Run all kinds of lawless suits up the pole hoping Trump gets fed up and says **** you.

Then the next Dem president, who will be completely lawless, will use that as justification to ignore the courts.

That's the real end game here.

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They will do away with FB and ignore
Courts anyway. It's coming.

There is no precedence for this. Ignore the midlevel judicial branch guy trying to veto the head of the executive branch. Tell him 'know your place'.

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Haven't read the order, just a WSJ story, and apparently, the judge is saying that spending the money, even if it is donated, requires an appropriation from Congress. Goodness knows how many changes have been made to the White House over the years without an Act of Congress authorizing it.

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This is not correct. Major renovations have historically been approved by Congress.

The renovation during the Bush and Trump administration was approved by Congress.

Truman went to Congress and received approval and funding for the 1948 reno

Calvin Coolidge went to congress and received funding and approval for the 1927 reno.

Fords pool was not . . .

Obama's bball court was not

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Clinton's jogging track probably wasn't.

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I can't remember if his humidor was paid for or not.

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I've never heard her called that before, kinda graphic, but I believe Lewinsky started as an unpaid intern and became a paid intern at some point.

Nm, wrong thread.

The article provided in the OP even mentions that the same judge rejected the previous request to halt the project:

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On Feb. 26, Leon rejected the preservationist group's initial bid to temporarily halt the ballroom's construction. He said the privately funded group had based its challenge on a "ragtag group" of legal theories and would have a better chance of success if it amended the lawsuit, which it did.

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It's not as if the Administration didn't have time or awareness to address the possibility.

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The NCPC seems to be the authority Congress put place to approve these projects. I don't know why the judge would require a Congressional vote here. Why would they not have approval authority?

They meet this week to approve the construction.

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Exactly this. If they approve the project which they've already said they would then what?

It also says he stayed enforcement for 2 weeks. So what is even the point of of this?

Meanwhile contractor gets $50K per day while idle!

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Meanwhile contractor gets $50K per day while idle!

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Uhm, force majeure. Further despite the stay not specifically applying to the contractor, it is a court order. He can't work without defying it.

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This sounds like an Onion article.

"Judge orders Trump to go fish out all the debris from the demolition of the East Wing and put it back together."

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If I were Trump, I'd take all the rubble and dump it on the judge's driveway. Or in his living room.