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The Australians investigated their special forces in Afghanistan from 2016-2020 and found credible evidence for dozens of civilian murders, including the systemic, outright execution of civilian prisoners and planting of weapons on dead civilians killed in combat. This wasn't, "Oh, we made a terrible mistake in the heat of combat," stuff, it was, "We just killed everyone and then planted guns to cover our asses," stuff. Because of the nature of who they were prosecuting and for what, it's taken a long time to bring some of the cases forward. Not saying he's guilty, but this is not a dog and pony show. These guys absolutely ****ed up bad.

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Afghanistan " Civilians" killed plenty of American and other soldiers in that time frame, often the " Civilians" were trained fighters wearing their Muslim attire and Not in uniform. Fighters hiding behind women and children while targeting our soldiers.

War is hell and those soldiers being charged were the ones there making split second decisions after they had been repeatedly attacked, wounded, and killed by the " Civilians". Easy to second guess from behind your computer screen.

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It's almost as easy as being Rambo from behind your computer screen, isn't it tough guy?

War is hell!!!! What a cliche online warrior you are.

War crimes should be investigated and if found credible prosecuted accordingly. That process requires a level of trust in the impartiality and thoroughness of the investigation and any subsequent prosecution. Whether that's happened, I can't say.

For sure!! Bottom line is that the Liberals running the government of Australia can't be trusted just like the Liberals in the U.S. today can't be trusted. I'd trust the judgement of the soldiers in war over their Australian Communist politicians and judges any day.
Remember all the impeachments and indictments of Trump by your team? Attempted insurrection…

Ps. George Washington had plenty of prisoners executed during war iirc.

Civilians.... more than likely who were caught raping kids and had a bullet put into them by the soldiers.

Just continued war on the white man by another government run by the WEF master race.

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In a bid to clear his name, he launched a high-profile legal battle - which spanned seven years, cost millions of dollars and was dubbed by some as Australia's "trial of the century".

However a Federal Court judge found - on the balance of probabilities - that Roberts-Smith had taken part in at least four murders, a judgement upheld on appeal.

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Man, hard to get a fair jury trial on the criminal activity then. Need beyond a shadow of a doubt in Australia for murder, I think?

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Anthony Besanko found that Roberts-Smith had twice ordered unarmed men be shot dead to "blood" rookie soldiers, and was involved in the deaths of a handcuffed farmer he kicked off a cliff and a captured Taliban fighter whose prosthetic leg was taken as a trophy and later used by troops as a drinking vessel.

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Yeah, this isn't acceptable stuff if true.

Accept the prosthetic leg thing. I have no sympathy for a Taliban fighter. Having only one leg makes him less of a flight risk. And, drinking out of his fake leg is just hilarious.

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The jury thing might be hard. He was considered a national hero, and the defamation trial was big news. I think that cuts both ways, though. Some may want to find him innocent regardless of what is presented, as evidenced by the attitudes of some here: "It didn't happen, but if it did happen it wasn't that bad, and if it was that bad I don't care because I like the guy who did it."

Regardless, those with access to everything seem to think there's a pretty good chance he did it. There is a lot more supporting the findings and allegations in the report than many here would like to admit. I don't know if he's guilty, but I'll hear out who has to say what.

Roberts-Smith previously sued Australian newspapers for defamation after articles in 2018 indicated that he killed unarmed Afghans and pressured others to commit human-rights abuses.

He lost the legal challenge after a judge found the newspapers "established the substantial truth" of many of the allegations against him. His appeals were unsuccessful.

According to a court ruling in the defamation litigation, the claims that were found to be substantially true included that Roberts-Smith committed murder by machine gunning a man with a prosthetic leg, which he then took back to Australia and encouraged soldiers to use as a novelty beer-drinking vessel.

A government inquiry in 2020 found credible information that Australian special forces unlawfully killed 39 prisoners, farmers and other civilians in Afghanistan. Since then, police and a special agency set up to look into the matter have commenced dozens of investigations. Another former soldier has been charged with one murder-related war crime; 10 investigations are ongoing and 39 are no longer under active investigation.

The Roberts-Smith prosecution "is a major test of Australia's willingness and capacity to prosecute its own personnel for international crimes," said Douglas Guilfoyle, a professor of international law and security at UNSW Canberra. "It goes directly to questions of accountability and our standing under international law."

Veterans groups have said those responsible for wrongdoing in Afghanistan must be held accountable, but have criticized the time it has taken authorities to investigate, saying the limbo is damaging to veterans, serving personnel and the families of Afghan victims.

Authorities said Tuesday that the investigations have been complex, involving dozens of alleged murders committed in the middle of a war zone in a country that investigators can no longer access. Australia hasn't had an embassy in Afghanistan since shortly before the Taliban regained control of the country in 2021.

Decorated Australian Veteran Ben Roberts-Smith Charged With Afghanistan War Crimes - WSJ

We're going to be the only country in the world that's still for liberty and freedom. That is until the dems fully take over.

"Shoot straight you *******s, don't make a mess of it."

Hancock: "What's a pagan?"
Morant:"A pagan is a person who doesn't believe there is a god dispensing justice."
Hancock: "I'm a pagan too."

ABATTBQ11 said:

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The Australians investigated their special forces in Afghanistan from 2016-2020 and found credible evidence for dozens of civilian murders, including the systemic, outright execution of civilian prisoners and planting of weapons on dead civilians killed in combat. This wasn't, "Oh, we made a terrible mistake in the heat of combat," stuff, it was, "We just killed everyone and then planted guns to cover our asses," stuff. Because of the nature of who they were prosecuting and for what, it's taken a long time to bring some of the cases forward. Not saying he's guilty, but this is not a dog and pony show. These guys absolutely ****ed up bad.

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Or it's hindsight bs made by the liberal media to frame the soldiers for the liberal agenda

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The Australians investigated their special forces in Afghanistan from 2016-2020 and found credible evidence for dozens of civilian murders, including the systemic, outright execution of civilian prisoners and planting of weapons on dead civilians killed in combat. This wasn't, "Oh, we made a terrible mistake in the heat of combat," stuff, it was, "We just killed everyone and then planted guns to cover our asses," stuff. Because of the nature of who they were prosecuting and for what, it's taken a long time to bring some of the cases forward. Not saying he's guilty, but this is not a dog and pony show. These guys absolutely ****ed up bad.

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Or it's hindsight bs made by the liberal media to frame the soldiers for the liberal agenda

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If you took time to read into it, you would know how wrong this is. This didn't just come out of the blue, and the media didn't start it. There were complaints and rumors within the ADF well before 2016 that kicked off the initial investigation, and those came from soldiers involved. The ADF started to take things seriously in 2015, and there was enough that they launched a more formal investigation in 2016. The media wasn't really covering it at all until the investigation had kicked off.

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For sure!! Bottom line is that the Liberals running the government of Australia can't be trusted just like the Liberals in the U.S. today can't be trusted. I'd trust the judgement of the soldiers in war over their Australian Communist politicians and judges any day.
Remember all the impeachments and indictments of Trump by your team? Attempted insurrection…

Ps. George Washington had plenty of prisoners executed during war iirc.

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By my team? Please explain. This should be grand.

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The Australians investigated their special forces in Afghanistan from 2016-2020 and found credible evidence for dozens of civilian murders, including the systemic, outright execution of civilian prisoners and planting of weapons on dead civilians killed in combat. This wasn't, "Oh, we made a terrible mistake in the heat of combat," stuff, it was, "We just killed everyone and then planted guns to cover our asses," stuff. Because of the nature of who they were prosecuting and for what, it's taken a long time to bring some of the cases forward. Not saying he's guilty, but this is not a dog and pony show. These guys absolutely ****ed up bad.

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Or it's hindsight bs made by the liberal media to frame the soldiers for the liberal agenda

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If you took time to read into it, you would know how wrong this is. This didn't just come out of the blue, and the media didn't start it. There were complaints and rumors within the ADF well before 2016 that kicked off the initial investigation, and those came from soldiers involved. The ADF started to take things seriously in 2015, and there was enough that they launched a more formal investigation in 2016. The media wasn't really covering it at all until the investigation had kicked off.

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This investigation spent $300MM and has in the most literal sense no habeus corpus and no access to the places or the Afghan citizens that in a sane world would be called as witnesses for both the prosecution and the defense. The Australian Federal Police actually ran advertisements in Afghan newspapers trolling for allegations against their own forces.

This is an Australian reboot of the Eddie Gallagher case in almost every facet. Ben Roberts-Smith was sued by a media outlet that had published hearsay accounts of the alleged crimes. The Judge found BRS guilty based on taking the med


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-05/ben-roberts-smith-full-defamation-judgement-live-blog/102439846

This is the level of "evidence" weighed in the defamation trial against BRS.

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Justice Anthony Besanko spent substantial time detailing the discovery of a secret tunnel during the mission codenamed Whiskey 108.

Mr Roberts-Smith called several former SAS soldiers and "close friends," who corroborated his account, that there was no tunnel in the Taliban compound.

This was in direct contradiction to a number of witnesses called by the media outlet's lawyers, who described in detail what this tunnel looked like, and the men who emerged from it.

Justice Besanko rejected these three witnesses' evidence, called by Mr Roberts-Smith.

And he doubled down on the war veteran's lack of credibility as a witness himself.

"The applicant has motives to lie, being a financial motive to support his claim for damages in these proceedings," Justice Besanko found.

"[He has] a motive to restore his reputation which he contends has been destroyed by the publication of the articles and significantly, a motive to resist findings against him which may affect whether further action is taken against him."

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The judge's rationale for disbelieving BRS and his fellow SAS troops' testimony because BRS has "a motive to restore his reputation" is Kafkaesque.

If you follow the link in the article above to the Australian government's court website, they have removed the 768 page ruling against BRS in the civil defamation case.

https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/640057/J230555.pdf

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The Australians investigated their special forces in Afghanistan from 2016-2020 and found credible evidence for dozens of civilian murders, including the systemic, outright execution of civilian prisoners and planting of weapons on dead civilians killed in combat. This wasn't, "Oh, we made a terrible mistake in the heat of combat," stuff, it was, "We just killed everyone and then planted guns to cover our asses," stuff. Because of the nature of who they were prosecuting and for what, it's taken a long time to bring some of the cases forward. Not saying he's guilty, but this is not a dog and pony show. These guys absolutely ****ed up bad.

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Or it's hindsight bs made by the liberal media to frame the soldiers for the liberal agenda

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If you took time to read into it, you would know how wrong this is. This didn't just come out of the blue, and the media didn't start it. There were complaints and rumors within the ADF well before 2016 that kicked off the initial investigation, and those came from soldiers involved. The ADF started to take things seriously in 2015, and there was enough that they launched a more formal investigation in 2016. The media wasn't really covering it at all until the investigation had kicked off.

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They literally went to Afghanistan and said they would pay people if they knew anyone hurt or killed by Aussie soldiers and would testify those killed were unarmed.

Going to a deep Muslim country and offering cash for testimony against infidel soldiers that could put them
In jail for the rest of their lives? And anyone is surprised they found 'evidence'?

Australia has not been on my bucket list now for a long time.