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https://www.tamus.edu/system/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2021/08/SystemOfficesOrgChart081921.pdf

Don't know if this link posts, or not. But the Org structure for the system is essentially unworkable. It's little wonder that Presidents don't last long.

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I've seen way worse. This is actually fairly clean by comparison to many

25Lighters said:

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… the benefits of conservatism at work in education.

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Thats hilarious. If not for conservatives, we wouldn't have massive over-testing (plus the resulting budget explosion for it) and "No Child Left Behind."

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Bring back legacy admissions

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This is not happening.

The vast majority of Old Ags would not make the cut these days and the legislature loves the Top 7% rule. There is almost no one who wants to dumb down admissions for legacies.

It is what it is.

Doctor of education eh? Real Dr. Jill Biden of her.

Windy City Ag said:

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Bring back legacy admissions

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This is not happening.

The vast majority of Old Ags would not make the cut these days and the legislature loves the Top 7% rule. There is almost no one who wants to dumb down admissions for legacies.

It is what it is.

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Eh. It just added something like five or ten points or so.

The sad thing is it's not there for the kids of all the minorities who've graduated in recent years.

Ryan the Temp said:

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What are we on, 10 presidents in 20 years or something like that? I hope she makes it more than a year.

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10th one in this millennium (after Bowen, Gates, Davis*, Murano, Loftin, Hussey*, Young, Junkins*, Banks, and Welch).

* = Interim presidents not promoted to President

milner79 said:

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Windy City Ag said:

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Bring back legacy admissions

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This is not happening.

The vast majority of Old Ags would not make the cut these days and the legislature loves the Top 7% rule. There is almost no one who wants to dumb down admissions for legacies.

It is what it is.

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Legacy admission, IMO, does not have to mean automatic admission. But it could be a weighted factor that is (seriously) considered in that mysterious mix Admissions calls "holistic review."

All things being academically equal, I would a lot rather award admission to an Aggie legacy than to another candidate. I would a lot rather admit an academically qualified student who has been coming to campus on weekends all their young life, has an appreciation for traditions, and sees themselves as part of a continuation of an Aggie family legacy.

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F that.

Windy City Ag said:

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Bring back legacy admissions

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This is not happening.

The vast majority of Old Ags would not make the cut these days

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I resemble this remark. And hope it returns for my last shot at a legacy attending.

What is Texags name? Does she go by her dog's name or something else? Come on, Outdoor Board, do your stuff. If we make it 24 hours without knowing, I will be disappointed.

BonfireNerd04 said:

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Ryan the Temp said:

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What are we on, 10 presidents in 20 years or something like that? I hope she makes it more than a year.

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10th one in this millennium (after Bowen, Gates, Davis*, Murano, Loftin, Hussey*, Young, Junkins*, Banks, and Welch).

* = Interim presidents not promoted to President

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Add Williams* then her, and that makes 12. That just screams "stability." I love A&M, but 12 presidents in that span of time is making us look like a clown show.

25Lighters said:

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TA-OP said:

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25Lighters said:

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Thats hilarious. If not for conservatives, we wouldn't have massive over-testing (plus the resulting budget explosion for it) and "No Child Left Behind."

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Blaming conservatives for NCLB while ignoring that Ted Kennedy was the primary architect is a bold strategy. It perfectly illustrates the current state of liberal education: high on feelings, but remarkably low on historical literacy.

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What forum are you participating with? Here, the President owns the policy.

Ag87H2O said:

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If the Rudder Association gives her that kind of endorsement, it gives me a lot of confidence she will be a good President for the University.

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Maybe. Maybe not. Members of the Rudder Association were pretty evenly split in their options about getting rid of Welsh.

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RINO Safari said:

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Sorry but you can't be anti DEI and pro legacy admission. It should not factor in at all if we are truly admitting the most qualified applicants. Just like race and gender shouldn't either.

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Legacy and DEI are in no way related. We're talking about a SCHOOL, not something used purely for political theater. NO ONE should be bothered by the admission of a student who WANTS to be at A&M over a similarly qualified one that would rather be at t.u. or, say, Tulane.

Milner put it well when he said,

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Legacy admission, IMO, does not have to mean automatic admission. But it could be a weighted factor that is (seriously) considered in that mysterious mix Admissions calls "holistic review."

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It isn't just "IMO;" there are ALWAYS minimum requirements. Even athletes still have to (at least theoretically) meet minimum requirements to attend A&M. This would be a bump and if that bump wasn't sufficient, well...

But comparing it to DEI is absurd. We don't want a school full of mush-heads being trained for vote for a particular political party (the purpose of DEI) but we DO want students here that carry on their life-long Aggie spirit.

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So why was it taken away in the first place? Legacy admission is implying that the applicant is not up to par academically with others and is being admitted solely due to legacy status compared to a student in similar academic standing without the same legacy badge. Even if a minimum requirement is met, why should a legacy get in over a student with a better academic background? In this case, the non-legacy is more qualified and has a better chance of success. Additionally, TAMU is publicly funded. Do that stuff at your private school if you want but my tax dollars aren't being paid so you can accept less qualified applicants just because pawpaw went to A&M way back when. We keep bringing up an example of two students in equal academic standing but that's not the main scenario when we are talking legacy admissions.

She'll be gone in less than 2 years. Big time crazy eyes.

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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Ryan the Temp said:

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What are we on, 10 presidents in 20 years or something like that? I hope she makes it more than a year.

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10th one in this millennium (after Bowen, Gates, Davis*, Murano, Loftin, Hussey*, Young, Junkins*, Banks, and Welch).

* = Interim presidents not promoted to President

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Add Williams* then her, and that makes 12. That just screams "stability." I love A&M, but 12 presidents in that span of time is making us look like a clown show.

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Maybe we are a clown show. We are probably just too close to the situation to be able to acknowledge the problem.

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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Ryan the Temp said:

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What are we on, 10 presidents in 20 years or something like that? I hope she makes it more than a year.

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10th one in this millennium (after Bowen, Gates, Davis*, Murano, Loftin, Hussey*, Young, Junkins*, Banks, and Welch).

* = Interim presidents not promoted to President

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Add Williams* then her, and that makes 12. That just screams "stability." I love A&M, but 12 presidents in that span of time is making us look like a clown show.

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Yeah, it seems to have been that way ever since Gates got picked as SecDef.

I want to believe!

milner79 said:

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Windy City Ag said:

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Bring back legacy admissions

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This is not happening.

The vast majority of Old Ags would not make the cut these days and the legislature loves the Top 7% rule. There is almost no one who wants to dumb down admissions for legacies.

It is what it is.

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Legacy admission, IMO, does not have to mean automatic admission. But it could be a weighted factor that is (seriously) considered in that mysterious mix Admissions calls "holistic review."

All things being academically equal, I would a lot rather award admission to an Aggie legacy than to another candidate. I would a lot rather admit an academically qualified student who has been coming to campus on weekends all their young life, has an appreciation for traditions, and sees themselves as part of a continuation of an Aggie family legacy.

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It would be VERY interesting to do a statistical analysis of legacy student success vs general student body in both graduation rates and first year compensation.

Sounds like a good poli-sci thesis or dissertation.

You would have to compensate for other factors, of course. But given students with similar SAT and GPA, do legacy students do better, worse, or the same as the general population.

Pretty sure if I had the data, Claude and I could have the answer by lunch.

RINO Safari said:

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Sorry but you can't be anti DEI and pro legacy admission. It should not factor in at all if we are truly admitting the most qualified applicants. Just like race and gender shouldn't either.

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Unless there is a chance that legacy students are innately more qualified because their parents are less likely than average to be asshats.

Viper16 said:

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I would like to know her positions on DEI and wokeism in the university system.

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This is the most important consideration.

BusterAg said:

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RINO Safari said:

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Sorry but you can't be anti DEI and pro legacy admission. It should not factor in at all if we are truly admitting the most qualified applicants. Just like race and gender shouldn't either.

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Unless there is a chance that legacy students are innately more qualified because their parents are less likely than average to be asshats.

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Purely anecdotal, I have known plenty of legacy students that were asshats.

Burdizzo said:

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BusterAg said:

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RINO Safari said:

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Sorry but you can't be anti DEI and pro legacy admission. It should not factor in at all if we are truly admitting the most qualified applicants. Just like race and gender shouldn't either.

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Unless there is a chance that legacy students are innately more qualified because their parents are less likely than average to be asshats.

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Purely anecdotal, I have known plenty of legacy students that were asshats.

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Any group of larger than 100 people is going to have more than one asshat. Its the concentration of asshats that is worth looking at.

Windy City Ag said:

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Bring back legacy admissions

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This is not happening.

The vast majority of Old Ags would not make the cut these days and the legislature loves the Top 7% rule. There is almost no one who wants to dumb down admissions for legacies.

It is what it is.

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This kinda drips with condescension.

Hell, I didn't even make it into A&M as a freshman, but kicked ass after transferring in.

Some people just want anything to be able to change the culture of A&M because a successful university with a conservative bent proves that it is possible to achieve without bowing down to the Dark Ivory Tower. It takes away an easy excuse. Legacy stuff helps with that.

But, it's not racial, so not illegal, and not the same as DEI.