Trump backing renewal of FISA 702.

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https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/04/13/congress/caine-letter-fisa-702-reauthorization-00870208

Very surprising to me.

I am pretty sure that this is the law that gave the dirty CIA a back door to spy on the Trump campaign. It is pretty surprising to me that Trump supports giving the gun that was aimed straight at him back to the federal government.

One thing that tells me is that there is likely a lot of good that comes out of this that is mixed up with the bad. Because of that, im almost ok with some modified version of it passing.

I would like for there to be some heavy penalties associated with domestic spying. But criminal penalties to be tried in DC is unworkable. Here is what I would say;

1) Codify that proper venue for criminal trials related to violating safeguards to 702 are either in the place where the person's who broke the law reside, or the place where any victims of abuse reside. Just think if Trump could have dragged Mueller down to Florida for a criminal trial.

2) Stautorily limit sovereign immunity here. Im not sure what the language should be, but make it harder for a CIA guy to say he was just following orders. Specifically, I would like it if Trump could have been able to sue Mueller directly and there were parts of this law that said that Mueller would have to face the music.

I know there is zero percent chance that this federal government is going to pass laws that will hold itself accountable. Because of that, my preference is to let 702 die. If we cant trust the system to hold itself accountable, then we shouldn't be giving that system more power to abuse civil liberties.

What is going to happen, though, is that this law is going to be renewed with no sunset clause, because the feds are all assets. Even Trump is being an asshat here.
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I'll skip Franklin here. How about...

Thomas Jefferson: "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."

The average American does not even see the tradeoff. The average politician does, but they get power out of our giving up rights and freedoms. Trump too.
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No
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People in power want more power. This should not surprise you.
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If you think this will in ANY way, shape or fashion benefit Republicans going forward , you're going to be very disappointed
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Maybe Trump is trying to kill it by supporting it. We all know how TDS works.
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Playing National Security Roulette - WSJ

wsj is all-in...

Quote:

In the 2024 Reforming Intelligence and Securing America Act, Congress required agents to get prior approval from a supervisor before running queries and prevented political appointees from signing off on them. An exception allows immediate searches that "assist in mitigating or eliminating a threat to life or serious bodily harm."...

...The precision of the queries has also been strong. Between April 2024 and April 2025, the Justice Department National Security Division flagged 127 of 9,089 U.S. person queries as noncompliant. Of those, half were compliant but flagged for procedural mistakes like not including a written justification.
Of the remaining 68 queries, 37 bad ones were from typos. Only 18 were flagged because the agent "did not have a sufficient factual basis to believe that the queries were reasonably likely to retrieve foreign intelligence information." Justice calculated that was an overall compliance rate of 98.6% by the most conservative estimate.

swiss ****ing cheese regulations and stats that can easily be rigged. next time the dems are in power and hit freak-out mode, compliance will drop to single digits - and we'll be right back where we were during the Biden admin.
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I'm Gipper
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Inexcusable, but I'm sure there will be many on here who will try.
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Awkward, but then again Candidate Trump and President Trump evidently are two separate people
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American Hardwood said:

Maybe Trump is trying to kill it by supporting it. We all know how TDS works.

Absolutely, Trump supporting this is the best chance of killing FISA.
FISA is a joke.
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it should be hard to spy on american citizens. alas it is not. we live in an invisible cage. it's quite fascinating.
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I just want them to spy on all those Chinese farmers that border our military bases.
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Ferg said:

I just want them to spy on all those Chinese farmers that border our military bases.


Fine, get a warrant.
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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

Ferg said:

I just want them to spy on all those Chinese farmers that border our military bases.


Fine, get a warrant.

warrants are required.

The issue has not been the law, it's been people (LE and gullible/complicit judges) failing to actually follow the law; Or LE just flat lying to judges who don't due their diligence to ensure the legal standards are met.

The safeguard is supposed to be that prosecutions need to actually happen for the lying. Until this happens there can't be any trust that this won't be abused.

It's a good tool to find foreign criminals and terrorists, but the government is making it untenable by abusing it.
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For all the good Trump does on a daily basis, he does do some puzzling things like this.
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InfantryAg said:

f1ghtintexasaggie said:

Ferg said:

I just want them to spy on all those Chinese farmers that border our military bases.


Fine, get a warrant.

warrants are required.

The issue has not been the law, it's been people (LE and gullible/complicit judges) failing to actually follow the law; Or LE just flat lying to judges who don't due their diligence to ensure the legal standards are met.

The safeguard is supposed to be that prosecutions need to actually happen for the lying. Until this happens there can't be any trust that this won't be abused.

It's a good tool to find foreign criminals and terrorists, but the government is making it untenable by abusing it.


This is my take. The law is good, but it assumes a non-corrupt government. The government is corrupt. So, it's a bad law.
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Is it still lawful for the FBI to feed reporters a lie, have the reporters write a story based on that lie, then use that story as the basis for FISA warrant?

This would have been killed already but Mike Johnson broke the tie in 2024 to continue it. Every R voted against it except for Johnson.

I can't wait to hear the Rs excuse for flipping this time.
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New statement from Trump on FISA
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BusterAg said:

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/04/13/congress/caine-letter-fisa-702-reauthorization-00870208

Very surprising to me.

I am pretty sure that this is the law that gave the dirty CIA a back door to spy on the Trump campaign. It is pretty surprising to me that Trump supports giving the gun that was aimed straight at him back to the federal government.




He wants to use it for his own benefit. Pretty simple.
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There's nothing wrong with FISA, the problem is how it can be illegally applied. By definition it requires a warrant and must be focused on counter terrorism, counter proliferation, or foreign governments.

Any use outside of these requirements is illegal.
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SquirrellyDan said:

There's nothing wrong with FISA, the problem is how it can be illegally applied. By definition it requires a warrant and must be focused on counter terrorism, counter proliferation, or foreign governments.

Any use outside of these requirements is illegal.


A warrant from moron judges who listen to lying feds who never face any punishment. Better to strip them of power altogether.
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The GOP leadership is a joke

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PaulsBunions said:



Awkward, but then again Candidate Trump and President Trump evidently are two separate people


When one posts more times in one day than most do in a month, it's easy to see just how easy it is to find the receipts.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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deddog said:

American Hardwood said:

Maybe Trump is trying to kill it by supporting it. We all know how TDS works.

Absolutely, Trump supporting this is the best chance of killing FISA.
FISA is a joke.


I hope this is satire.
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Street Fighter said:

BusterAg said:

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/04/13/congress/caine-letter-fisa-702-reauthorization-00870208

Very surprising to me.

I am pretty sure that this is the law that gave the dirty CIA a back door to spy on the Trump campaign. It is pretty surprising to me that Trump supports giving the gun that was aimed straight at him back to the federal government.




He wants to use it for his own benefit. Pretty simple.


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Govt needs LESS power, at all levels, not more.
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FISA is like a government entitlement program. Everyone complains about the abuse to the point it should be popular to kill it. That is until the folks with the power to kill it figure out they can abuse it in their favor. With entitlements, the PTB will figure out they can abuse it to buy votes. With FISA they figure out they can abuse it to destroy their rivals.

Get rid of the damn thing
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Street Fighter said:

BusterAg said:

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/04/13/congress/caine-letter-fisa-702-reauthorization-00870208

Very surprising to me.

I am pretty sure that this is the law that gave the dirty CIA a back door to spy on the Trump campaign. It is pretty surprising to me that Trump supports giving the gun that was aimed straight at him back to the federal government.




He wants to use it for his own benefit. Pretty simple.

This is a bit of a stretch.

Does he want to use it:

1) To capture terrorists; or
2) To spy on his political rivals.

If 2, do you have any evidence / proof?

Because, I really would like 702 to work to capture terrorists if the government were not so corrupt.
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jagvocate said:

The GOP leadership DC is a joke

FIFY
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BusterAg said:

Street Fighter said:

BusterAg said:

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/04/13/congress/caine-letter-fisa-702-reauthorization-00870208

Very surprising to me.

I am pretty sure that this is the law that gave the dirty CIA a back door to spy on the Trump campaign. It is pretty surprising to me that Trump supports giving the gun that was aimed straight at him back to the federal government.




He wants to use it for his own benefit. Pretty simple.

This is a bit of a stretch.

Does he want to use it:

1) To capture terrorists; or
2) To spy on his political rivals.

If 2, do you have any evidence / proof?

Because, I really would like 702 to work to capture terrorists if the government were not so corrupt.


"Sure the unconstitutional government surveillance program was used to spy on Americans in the past but they're DEFINITELY only using it on terrorists now"
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SquirrellyDan said:

There's nothing wrong with FISA, the problem is how it can be illegally applied. By definition it requires a warrant and must be focused on counter terrorism, counter proliferation, or foreign governments.

Any use outside of these requirements is illegal.

And who provides oversight and checks and balances?
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