PaulsBunions said:

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BusterAg said:

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Street Fighter said:

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BusterAg said:

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https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/04/13/congress/caine-letter-fisa-702-reauthorization-00870208

Very surprising to me.

I am pretty sure that this is the law that gave the dirty CIA a back door to spy on the Trump campaign. It is pretty surprising to me that Trump supports giving the gun that was aimed straight at him back to the federal government.

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He wants to use it for his own benefit. Pretty simple.

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This is a bit of a stretch.

Does he want to use it:

1) To capture terrorists; or
2) To spy on his political rivals.

If 2, do you have any evidence / proof?

Because, I really would like 702 to work to capture terrorists if the government were not so corrupt.

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"Sure the unconstitutional government surveillance program was used to spy on Americans in the past but they're DEFINITELY only using it on terrorists now"

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Pinky Promise

BusterAg said:

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Street Fighter said:

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BusterAg said:

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https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/04/13/congress/caine-letter-fisa-702-reauthorization-00870208

Very surprising to me.

I am pretty sure that this is the law that gave the dirty CIA a back door to spy on the Trump campaign. It is pretty surprising to me that Trump supports giving the gun that was aimed straight at him back to the federal government.

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He wants to use it for his own benefit. Pretty simple.

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This is a bit of a stretch.

Does he want to use it:

1) To capture terrorists; or
2) To spy on his political rivals.

If 2, do you have any evidence / proof?

Because, I really would like 702 to work to capture terrorists if the government were not so corrupt.

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He's a politician, I don't trust any of them to do anything that will benefit anyone but themselves. See baby Bush and his Patriot Act.

The rotten, corrupt FBI has done nothing but abuse FISA since it was first authorized.

This is a provable fact.

Any Republican who votes for it is scum and doesn't give a damn about you.

They know the FBI will continue to abuse FISA against it's own citizens and they just…

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) April 11, 2024

Trump is scum now according to the turd

Trump is on a roll lately!

I understand the need for FISA but the FISA courts are supposed to be the backstop for abuse. Courts have ceased being that stopgap.

You know it's over when he's even lost cattard

aggiehawg said:

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I understand the need for FISA but the FISA courts are supposed to be the backstop for abuse. Courts have ceased being that stopgap.

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This.

If anyone wants to see the current lawless state of the judicial system, take a look a Boasberg. He is not an exception, he's the rule. It's political and crooked. It's also completely incompetent.

Logos Stick said:

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aggiehawg said:

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I understand the need for FISA but the FISA courts are supposed to be the backstop for abuse. Courts have ceased being that stopgap.

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This.

If anyone wants to see the current lawless state of the judicial system, take a look a Boasberg. He is not an exception, he's the rule. It's political and crooked. It's also completely incompetent.

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Boasberg, confirmed by swamp rat Lindsey Graham

Lindsey Graham voted to CONFIRM Judge Boasberg -- one of the most powerful opponents of President Trump who weaponized the judiciary against MAGA and the America First Agenda.

Lindsey Graham is an enemy of America and of Donald Trump. pic.twitter.com/1Gs7E7bQF2

— Mark Lynch for U.S. Senate (@MarkLynchSC) April 15, 2026

PaulsBunions said:

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The man who spent years whining that the government illegally spied on his campaign is now demanding Congress let him spy on every American—without a warrant.

FISA 702 is the real threat to Americans’ privacy: warrantless surveillance of U.S. persons under the guise of targeting… pic.twitter.com/NhHu8xXPuo

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 14, 2026

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quote from the statement

• When the Dirty Cop, James Comey, the failed Head of the FBI, went after me, he was using FISA Title I, the Domestic Collection, not FISA 702, the Foreign Collection, which needs to be extended today.

When arguing seems this distinction between FISA Title I and FISA 702 is left out.

i am not convinced FIAS FISA in any form is needed, but when arguing please note this distinction.

edit spelling

PaulsBunions said:

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SquirrellyDan said:

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There's nothing wrong with FISA, the problem is how it can be illegally applied. By definition it requires a warrant and must be focused on counter terrorism, counter proliferation, or foreign governments.

Any use outside of these requirements is illegal.

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A warrant from moron judges who listen to lying feds who never face any punishment. Better to strip them of power altogether.

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So there needs to be severe punishment.

ETA: any wording needs to be very carefully worded to prevent the Democratic Party leadership from weaponizing the law against political opponents

PaulsBunions said:

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— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) April 15, 2026

New statement from Trump on FISA

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He seems to have changed the wording. In the version you posted and I am quoting, he talks about giving up Rights and Privileges as a Citizen. It looks like that has been removed/changed in other versions of this "truth"

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When arguing seems this distinction between FISA Title I and FISA 702 is left out.

i am not convinced FIAS in any form is needed, but when arguing please note this distinction.

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Title I is a foreign agent. That sometimes include an AmCit. Comey did that with Carter Page. By having an FBI agent lie and keeping that application from going through Woods Procedures before it was presented to the FISA Court, as if it had been. Many hops are allowed for a Title 1 FISA (Probably too many but another subject.)

FISA under 702 and 703 are queries "to/from" and "about". Much broader and more subject to personal interpretation and NOT subject to judicial review beforehand.

aggiehawg said:

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When arguing seems this distinction between FISA Title I and FISA 702 is left out.

i am not convinced FIAS in any form is needed, but when arguing please note this distinction.

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Title I is a foreign agent. That sometimes include an AmCit. Comey did that with Carter Page. By having an FBI agent lie and keeping that application from going through Woods Procedures before it was presented to the FISA Court, as if it had been. Many hops are allowed for a Title 1 FISA (Probably too many but another subject.)

FISA under 702 and 703 are queries "to/from" and "about". Much broader and more subject to personal interpretation and NOT subject to judicial review beforehand.

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Thank you for the clarifications.

I just viewed 2 Top Secret FISA docs.

1) FISA Court opinion that raises serious concerns about FBI implementation of FISA 702.

2) letter by Senator Wyden describing a secret government interpretation of FISA law.

The Constitution requires I vote No on FISA 702 reauthorization.

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 16, 2026

Our Government pledges to the Constitution and then forgets it exists

Last night between midnight and 2am, they tried to pass two bad versions of FISA…

Both would have allowed Feds to unconstitutionally spy on Americans.

We stopped both versions, but the fight isn’t over. Eventually, it was decided to give them two more weeks to fix FISA. https://t.co/VkckZwH5j4

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 17, 2026

Trump 2.0 is sad
So much disappointment!!

Here’s the roll call for H Res 1175, the rule for considering H R 8035, FISA 702 reauthorization.

If this resolution had passed, it’s likely that unconstitutional, warrantless surveillance of Americans would have been extended for five years.

Please especially thank the 20… pic.twitter.com/nv3T60y2u1

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 17, 2026

Another vote for the haters to say "M-Massie votes with Democrats"

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Listened to chip roy this morning. Said they are making changes to prevent what happened before. Listed all the abuses that we've talked about and how it was used against trump.
Said they tabled it for two weeks. He was also tapped in Arctic Frost.

The House passed FISA Section 702 renewal yesterday. I voted NO.

This was a Uni-Party vote in favor of unchecked government surveillance without adequate warrants or accountability. pic.twitter.com/kjFRIZpAXk

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 30, 2026

I notified leadership that I will object to Unanimous Consent of reauthorization of FISA without warrants even if it’s just for 45 days. We already extended this once. And the House just sent the Senate a bill. How weak are we if they jam us and we accept it by unanimous consent? https://t.co/54O3G7e6sf

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 30, 2026

Anyone thinking this will work in Republicans' favor down the road is likely setting themselves up for disappointment.

Jessy255 said:

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Anyone thinking this will work in Republicans' favor down the road is likely setting themselves up for disappointment.

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"Yes this was used to illegally spy on the Republican presidential nominee but don't worry we DEFINITELY fixed it this time around"

Rep. Roy on FISA: "This body ought to be defending the people of the United States against the power of government being used against us. Under NO circumstances should we allow technology to breach the wall that the Fourth Amendment created." pic.twitter.com/17Dj86M9hi

— Rep. Chip Roy Press Office (@RepChipRoy) April 30, 2026

SquirrellyDan said:

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There's nothing wrong with FISA, the problem is how it can be illegally applied. By definition it requires a warrant and must be focused on counter terrorism, counter proliferation, or foreign governments.

Any use outside of these requirements is illegal.

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I can almost guarantee that myself and SquirrellyDan are the two on this board with the most experience with FISA. The training is extensive and thorough. The process is onerous to get approval if your target is even remotely questionable. Any normal person trying to circumvent the rules in place and do illegal crap is going to get caught. This is just a simple fact. No rando CIA guy is wasting his time going through the 702 process to spy on the Trump campaign unless he's being ordered to do it by a political appointee high up in the agency.

What you all are up in arms about is politicians using their influence to engage in illegal activity and spy on US persons without proper justification under the terms of the law. Getting rid of FISA will stop the lawful collection of intelligence on dangerous terrorists and criminals but I seriously doubt it would stop politicians from illegally spying on their opponents. Getting rid of the law doesn't make the tools to spy disappear.

Just like guns, guns don't kill people, bad people with a gun kill people. Don't blame the tools and over react and ban them.