Spanberger and Dems give EC votes to Compact regardless of state results

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Logos Stick
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Dems, if this ever happens, it will be the straw.

Im Gipper
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Dems, if this ever happens, it will be the straw.


Then let's hope it happens!

I'm Gipper
Aggie95
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but, but DEMOCRACY !!!
Who?mikejones!
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Logos Stick said:

Dems, if this ever happens, it will be the straw.




This is the dumbest ***** Why in the world would a State, who in our system is a sovereign political entity, undermine its own population in lew of a "popular" vote winner. We are not a popular vote country.

Virginians may not, and likely do not, have the same needs or views as those in arizona or California or utah or any other state. This movement to force popular vote is the craziest **** for a republic.

The main point of the electors was explicitly to hedge against a majority or popular vote. So ****ing stupid
The Ex Officio Director
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Can't decide if I want to be cute & cuddly, or go blow some sh*t up.
Decisions decisions.
nortex97
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Democrats hate Americans. Just another of the dozens of examples today alone.

The dream is to have states with sufficient fake voting standards/non-standards that they can overwhelm Americans nationally. There's a reason Germany had only one party in their legislature, for a time.
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This union won't last another 20 years.

And I'm good with that
Sid Farkas
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Theoretically, Virginia could give all its electoral votes to a candidate who got zero votes in Virginia...it seems like Virginia is nullifying their own votes.
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Who?mikejones! said:

Logos Stick said:

Dems, if this ever happens, it will be the straw.




This is the dumbest ***** Why in the world would a State, who in our system is a sovereign political entity, undermine its own population in lew of a "popular" vote winner. We are not a popular vote country.

Virginians may not, and likely do not, have the same needs or views as those in arizona or California or utah or any other state. This movement to force populsr vote is the craziest **** for a republic.

The main point of the electors was explicitly to hedge against a majority or popular vote. So ****ing stupid

Virginia isn't the first state to do this... There's 18 other dumb liberal states who thought this was a great idea.
Who?mikejones!
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Yes, thats why I said "this movement."

Queso1
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Party over principle. Hell, we are seeing it with GOP right now. The republic cannot last.
LOYAL AG
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Once this thing actually goes into effect we'll see if it's Constitutional. I'm not an attorney but it seems like a contract between states that doesn't have the support of Congress. I'm sure one of our attorneys has and will opine on how that eventual suit goes.
Hubert J. Farnsworth
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Virginia moderate voters continue to look like the dumbasses they are.
Mathguy64
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Did she forget that 18 months ago Trump beat Harris in the national count and that VA (which handily was a D state for Harris) would have been flipped to Trump?

Most other states that wanted to do this were rethinking this MENSA level move the day after the election results came out in Nov.
BonfireNerd04
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Idea: Convince some red states to adopt multiple-vote systems like Approval Voting or Cumulative Voting. It won't affect the EC as long as the same candidate wins the state, but it will confuse the "popular vote" count.
BonfireNerd04
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For that matter, does federal law even require state election boards to report all the votes?

Can Texas send DC a document saying "Voters cast 6,422,004 votes for the Republican candidates", and just ignore the irrelevant (to non-compact states) votes for losers?

With enough legal and mathematical knowledge, there are lots of ways to troll the system.
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Mathguy64 said:

Did she forget that 18 months ago Trump beat Harris in the national count and that VA (which handily was a D state for Harris) would have been flipped to Trump?

Most other states that wanted to do this were rethinking this MENSA level move the day after the election results came out in Nov.


I'm guessing they believe that was a fluke and won't happen again now that Trump is lame duck. They are banking on next R candidate not having the backing that Trump gets.

Trump was a total outlier. Doubt we will ever see his like again.
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Welcome to court Governor.
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nortex97
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Make no mistake, they will demagogue the next guys/gals too. And at some point claim '91 million votes' or some such absurd number.
Im Gipper
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DCPD158 said:

Welcome to court Governor.


What court?

I'm Gipper
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Sid Farkas said:

Theoretically, Virginia could give all its electoral votes to a candidate who got zero votes in Virginia...it seems like Virginia is nullifying their own votes.

I would like to see a group of virginia voters challenge it in court on those grounds.
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Sid Farkas said:

Theoretically, Virginia could give all its electoral votes to a candidate who got zero votes in Virginia...it seems like Virginia is nullifying their own votes.
It's how democrats select their candidates now.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Sid Farkas said:

Theoretically, Virginia could give all its electoral votes to a candidate who got zero votes in Virginia...it seems like Virginia is nullifying their own votes.
It's how democrats select their candidates now.



Super Delegates. 7 coin flips.
Urban Ag
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Spanberger is pure evil. Psychotic.

I'm glad she only has daughters. I can only imagine (don't want to) what she would have had done to her boys if she had any.

Seriously. That woman is straight from hell.
Ellis Wyatt
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Anything but letting the people have a say.
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Urban Ag said:

Spanberger is pure evil. Psychotic.

I'm glad she only has daughters. I can only imagine (don't want to) what she would have had done to her boys if she had any.

Seriously. That woman is straight from hell.


Former CIA and former Congress. Think about that.
Trajan88
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So in effect ... VA is negating the Constitutional Republic that is the United States of America.
TA-OP
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All it would take to stop this is Congress actually doing the job we pay them for and prevent it.
Hubert J. Farnsworth
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TA-OP said:

All it would take to stop this is Congress actually doing the job we pay them for and prevent it.


Lol. Congress has never been more useless than they are now. They have completely given all power to the executive and judicial branches.
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The compact is illegal. States can not enter into political alliances/agreements with each other.

But yes, the whole idea is to bypass the EC and install permanent one party Dem rule
ts5641
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USSC will surely strike this down?
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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Virginia moderate voters continue to look like the dumbasses they are.

The moderates, who are easily influenced by culture, are the ones allowing the left to produce this insanity over and over.
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Maroon Dawn said:

. States can not enter into political alliances/agreements with each other.





This is false.

that only applies if the compact is enhancing state power to the detriment of federal power.

Constitutionally, the "compact among states" clause does not required congressional approval of every agreement between states. States make compacts with each other all the time.

I don't think this case is clear for either side on that question.

but that doesn't matter because the proponents of this national popular vote plan to submit it to Congress for approval.

however, there is also an argument that Congress is prohibited from even reviewing this legislation approve it.

SCOTUS says congress approving a compact makes it federal law. Congress cannot make a a federal law on how electors are chosen, that is left exclusively to the states.

So this would be decided by SCOTUS on basis of whether it allowed under Article II.

gut feeling is that a state could agree to do this, but could not bind any other state to having to do it.

meaning that the "Compact" were struck down, each of these states could just do it on their own.
(though I would bet that many states own constitutions prevent it)

There is no requirement to even have a popular vote at all. South Carolina went 12 elections before having a popular vote

The "electoral college" is nothing now like it was when first enacted. Its a relic that needs to be changed. Not for a popular vote nationwide but for simply awarding the votes for each state based on popular vote winner on that state. Get the most votes in Texas in 2028, you get 40 electoral votes. No middle man; no faithless elector issue; no way to game the system. Simple way to keep the republic
nortex97
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She also somehow changed the 'definition' of 'assault weapon' to anything with 11 rounds in the magazine. Pretty incredible.

Somewhat related, the communists in the peoples republic of maryland gave up on eliminating their GOP district this year.
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BMX Bandit said:

Maroon Dawn said:

. States can not enter into political alliances/agreements with each other.





This is false.

that only applies if the compact is enhancing state power to the detriment of federal power.

Constitutionally, the "compact among states" clause does not required congressional approval of every agreement between states. States make compacts with each other all the time.

I don't think this case is clear for either side on that question.

but that doesn't matter because the proponents of this national popular vote plan to submit it to Congress for approval.

however, there is also an argument that Congress is prohibited from even reviewing this legislation approve it.

SCOTUS says congress approving a compact makes it federal law. Congress cannot make a a federal law on how electors are chosen, that is left exclusively to the states.

So this would be decided by SCOTUS on basis of whether it allowed under Article II.

gut feeling is that a state could agree to do this, but could not bind any other state to having to do it.

meaning that the "Compact" were struck down, each of these states could just do it on their own.
(though I would bet that many states own constitutions prevent it)

There is no requirement to even have a popular vote at all. South Carolina went 12 elections before having a popular vote

The "electoral college" is nothing now like it was when first enacted. Its a relic that needs to be changed. Not for a popular vote nationwide but for simply awarding the votes for each state based on popular vote winner on that state. Get the most votes in Texas in 2028, you get 40 electoral votes. No middle man; no faithless elector issue; no way to game the system. Simple way to keep the republic



We should go backwards. State houses should choose senators, the people choose reps, electors choose president (electors not being selected by the parties, but more closely aligned with federalist 68)

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