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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?

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Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

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It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

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Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

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Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.

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Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

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You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.

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Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

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Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.

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Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.

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What's the competitive wage amount?

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You think I control the invisible hand or something? I'm flattered.

Competitive wage would be whatever the market dictates. None of your socialist nonsense will change that.

PaulsBunions said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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bobbranco said:

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bobbranco said:

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B-1 83 said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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bobbranco said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?

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Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

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It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

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Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

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Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.

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Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

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You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.

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Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

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Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.

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Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.

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What's the competitive wage amount?

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You think I control the invisible hand or something? I flattered.

Competitive wage would be whatever the market dictates. None of your socialist nonsense will change that.

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How is a seasonal worker program socialism?

Is this one of the policies his supporters are talking about when they excuse or justify his dumbass behavior?

TexasAggie73 said:

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Two things
1 The optics look terrible since it benefits his empire.

2 This destroys the incentive for a business to pay a living wage when they can hire someone below that.

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What is a "living wage"? For who?

bobbranco said:

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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?

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Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

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It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

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Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

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Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.

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Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

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You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.

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Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

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Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.

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Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.

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What's the competitive wage amount?

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You think I control the invisible hand or something? I flattered.

Competitive wage would be whatever the market dictates. None of your socialist nonsense will change that.

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How is a seasonal worker program socialism?

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See above replies. Government interference in the marketplace.

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B-1 83 said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?

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Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

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It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

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Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

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Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.

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Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

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You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.

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Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

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Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.

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Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.

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What's the competitive wage amount?

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You think I control the invisible hand or something? I flattered.

Competitive wage would be whatever the market dictates. None of your socialist nonsense will change that.

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How is a seasonal worker program socialism?

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See above replies. Government interference in the marketplace.

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Supply and demand. The domestic supply is woefully short for the job at hand.

B-1 83 said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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bobbranco said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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bobbranco said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?

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Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

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It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

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Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

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Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.

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Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

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You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.

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Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

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Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.

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Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.

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What's the competitive wage amount?

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You think I control the invisible hand or something? I flattered.

Competitive wage would be whatever the market dictates. None of your socialist nonsense will change that.

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How is a seasonal worker program socialism?

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See above replies. Government interference in the marketplace.

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Supply and demand. The domestic supply is woefully short for the job at hand.

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I disagree, the supply is just low at the wages offered.

Some of these jobs were being filled by Haitians Venezuelans etc who until recently were here on visas and have since lost their protected status

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I dont know answer to this.
But do know that government will make a half ass attempt at sending those suckers back after their season is over, and once economy booms, no one will care and when democrats get in power, they will let them stay forever.

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The answer is welfare reform which is not going to happen. As long as we keep incentivizing people to not work then you will see announcements just like this to offset it.

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This program must exclude pregnant women. Full stop.

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Didn't Trump's grandmother come to the US while pregnant with his father?

That's disappointing.

The H2B cap was extremely low, something like 65K workers per year for the entire US. As someone who used the system for construction, we would go through all the legal work to get guys here the right way & get screwed when the cap was hit.

H2B's are for construction jobs, tourism stuff (those gambling ships out of Port A were full of h2b workers) and fun jobs like working in a poultry processing plant.

We were required to post a job opening for 5-7 days or so & document anyone requesting an interview. Didn't happen often.

H2B guys pay taxes & are typically on their best behavior. If they get in trouble they go back to where they came from & can't return.

A majority, which ain't much, of what is left of the Texas shrimping industry direly depends on these visas. In Brownsville, once the home of the largest shrimp fleet in the world, the newspapers and internet are full of ads for shrimp boat hands. This is done to satisfy the lack of local labor for the positions.

Last time I spoke with an acquaintance that was still running a couple of boats, down from the 15 or so her dad left her, she told me with all the labor laws and such now it was terribly risky to hire legal locals. The last two she hired didn't last but a few days on the water and had to be brought back to port, costing thousands in an industry that is thrilled to make hundreds.

Without these visas I would bet that there wouldn't be 15% of the already very limited local shrimp caught. Of course, when looking at these vile visas nobody considers how easy it is for an import to come into the country that also affects the price of many goods that in turn affects the ability of industries to pay labor.

PaulsBunions said:

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B-1 83 said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?

---

Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

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It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

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Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

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Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.

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Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

---

You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.

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Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

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Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.

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Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.

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What's the competitive wage amount?

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You think I control the invisible hand or something? I flattered.

Competitive wage would be whatever the market dictates. None of your socialist nonsense will change that.

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How is a seasonal worker program socialism?

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See above replies. Government interference in the marketplace.

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How is the government interfering when the facts reveal workers are needed and the local labor pool is lazy at best? This is only more libertarian rage baiting.

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B-1 83 said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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No, it means getting seasonal workers (they have to go home regularly) to where they are needed and there are no Americans to do the jobs. Spare me the BS about Americans flooding to BFE, living 6 to a 3 bedroom farm house, with tractor and livestock skills, working long, hot hours, and still saving money to send home. They're not out there.

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100% this. The guest worker programs are excellent. If there is an American that meets the minimum requirements for the job and applies, the company MUST hire them before filling that role with a guest worker.

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I wish that they would apply this rule to all work visas.

That would be a HUGE, HUGE help.

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A majority, which ain't much, of what is left of the Texas shrimping industry direly depends on these visas. In Brownsville, once the home of the largest shrimp fleet in the world, the newspapers and internet are full of ads for shrimp boat hands. This is done to satisfy the lack of local labor for the positions.

Last time I spoke with an acquaintance that was still running a couple of boats, down from the 15 or so her dad left her, she told me with all the labor laws and such now it was terribly risky to hire legal locals. The last two she hired didn't last but a few days on the water and had to be brought back to port, costing thousands in an industry that is thrilled to make hundreds.

Without these visas I would bet that there wouldn't be 15% of the already very limited local shrimp caught. Of course, when looking at these vile visas nobody considers how easy it is for an import to come into the country that also affects the price of many goods that in turn affects the ability of industries to pay labor.

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RVG, you are guilty of the sin of not following the "All Else Held Equal" assumption that is the foundation of economic analysis around here.

The fact that unlimited imports of shrimp fed pig turds on Indonesian farms are killing the business of fresh gulf caught shrimp has nothing to do with the reality that all tariffs are evil.

Fresh caught gulf shrimp as an industry would not exist in a world with zero tariffs and no guest worker visas. Either that is OK with a person or it is not.

bobbranco said:

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bobbranco said:

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B-1 83 said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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bobbranco said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?

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Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

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It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

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Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

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Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.

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Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

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You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.

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Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

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Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.

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Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.

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What's the competitive wage amount?

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You think I control the invisible hand or something? I flattered.

Competitive wage would be whatever the market dictates. None of your socialist nonsense will change that.

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How is a seasonal worker program socialism?

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See above replies. Government interference in the marketplace.

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How is the government interfering when the facts reveal workers are needed and the local labor pool is lazy at best? This is only more libertarian rage baiting.

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According to whom? This is more neo conservative cope. And to answer the first question, see the above replies, I don't need to hold your hand through this again.

Agree, very apt points.

In terms of the shrimp from the gulf we could just "outsource" it as well; let the Mexican and Honduran boats work the gulf and US EEZ, don't have to get any wets to come do the work that way.

There is no such thing as "free trade" when the supply of labor is controlled and artifical barriers and subsidies are involved.

The US doesn't have an illegal or visa issuing problem, we have a much larger free stuff problem combined with paying dolts to not work. When the previous takes place one needs all the cheapest crap possible.

Grok on wage impacts:


Is the Required Wage Lower Than What Americans Would Be Paid If the Programs Didn't Exist?
Noby statutory design and DOL regulations, it is not lower than what similarly employed U.S. workers are actually paid in the relevant occupation and area. The AEWR (H-2A) and prevailing wage (H-2B) are explicitly calculated from surveys of wages currently paid to U.S. workers (FLS for farm labor; OEWS for non-ag). Employers must also recruit and offer U.S. workers the same (or better) terms first, and they can only hire H-2 workers if insufficient qualified U.S. workers apply at those rates. The entire purpose of these wage rules (rooted in the Immigration and Nationality Act) is to ensure the programs do not adversely affect U.S. workers' wages or working conditions.
The counterfactual question ("what Americans would be paid without the programs") is inherently speculative and depends on economic assumptions:
With the programs: Wages are anchored to current market data from U.S. worker surveys. Employers cannot undercut them.
Without the programs: In jobs where DOL has certified a labor shortage, some employers might raise pay to attract more U.S. workers (or turn to automation, different business models, etc.). Critics sometimes argue the programs keep wages from rising as quickly as they otherwise might by increasing labor supply at the prevailing rate. However, DOL's methodology and enforcement are intended to avoid any such depression, and prevailing/AEWR rates are set at or above what U.S. workers in those exact roles currently receive.
In short, the required wages match (or exceed) what Americans are paid today for the same work. The programs include built-in safeguards (recruitment, wage floors, and "no adverse effect" tests) precisely to prevent undercutting U.S. workers. Any broader wage impacts are debated among economists but are not reflected in the DOL-determined rates themselves. For the most current rates, check the DOL FLAG system (flag.dol.gov).

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America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Dirty CEOs win yet again.

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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?

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Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

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It is relevant because you won't take the low paying job that Americans are jumping up and down to perform. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

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Replying to your edit: you're so close to getting it. Without H-2 visas they will be forced to adjust their wages to meet the demand.

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I'll add an example. Napa Valley wineries are in real trouble. Significant reduction in demand means reduced prices and businesses going under.

The grapes are picked by hand at night. Which one of you wants that job? The industry Must have foreign workers to survive. Very labor intense season long but more so at harvest.

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Well they need to up their pay then. They can't pay peanuts and expect to get workers.
Else they go belly up. No one owes them an existence.


How was I? Did I sound like one of our free-market capitalism devotees?

Question.

How is it that Trump can expand this H2 visa but not COMPRESS H1B visa? How? How?

infinity ag said:

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Question.

How is it that Trump can expand this H2 visa but not COMPRESS H1B visa? How? How?

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Now this an excellent question.

Time for ALL visas to be "compressed" for a year and completely new visa be introduced that are not susceptible to such gaming.
Why won't the administration do it?

When I lived in a rural Illinois town as a teen, the market was filled with white kids working the fields. I know these aren't the same types of jobs, but seems like ...yet again ...govt ****ed things up.

Get govt out of the way, not more into it.

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When I lived in a rural Illinois town as a teen, the market was filled with white kids working the fields. I know these aren't the same types of jobs, but seems like ...yet again ...govt ****ed things up.

Get govt out of the way, not more into it.

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Curious what town that was? Do you mind naming it?

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When I lived in a rural Illinois town as a teen, the market was filled with white kids working the fields.

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The majority of those kids moved to the City & small towns are now dying. The family farm is sadly going extinct & being replaced by corporate owned ones.

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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?

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Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

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It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

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Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

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Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.

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Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

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You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.

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Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

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Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.

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Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.

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So when I have a 500 acre cotton field, filled with herbicide resistant spiny pigweeds that need to be chopped down with a hoe, and it's 102 outside… what time are you gonna be there?

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PaulsBunions said:

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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?

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Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

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It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

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Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

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Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.

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Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

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You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.

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Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

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Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.

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Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.

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So when I have a 500 acre cotton field, filled with herbicide resistant spiny pigweeds that need to be chopped down with a hoe, and it's 102 outside… what time are you gonna be there?

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Pay me enough and I will. Do you need daddy government to step in?

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Trump approved more H-2B seasonal worker visas after meeting with associates tied to his businesses, WSJ reports.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/Fbm7xf3vv8

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 15, 2026

America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

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Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?

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Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

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It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

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Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

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Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.

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Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

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You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.

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Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

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Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.

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Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.

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So when I have a 500 acre cotton field, filled with herbicide resistant spiny pigweeds that need to be chopped down with a hoe, and it's 102 outside… what time are you gonna be there?

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I'd pay Taylor Swift VIP concert ticket money to watch gringos work the fields as fast, as long, and for the same money, as an immigrant would.

Who am I kidding, I'd pay double.

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When I lived in a rural Illinois town as a teen, the market was filled with white kids working the fields. I know these aren't the same types of jobs, but seems like ...yet again ...govt ****ed things up.

Get govt out of the way, not more into it.

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Curious what town that was? Do you mind naming it?

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Gifford, Illinois

Outside of Rantoul, Il where the base was.