New York proposed Tax On Second Home in NYC

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https://www.newsweek.com/new-tax-proposed-for-nyc-properties-what-to-know-11830711

There are already less of them from a few years ago. This should accelerate the trend
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/fewer-vs-less

I follow the Robert Baker rule of personal preference and will not shop at a grocery store whose design says "10 items or fewer."

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.
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Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.

. Wow
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Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



Do you know how unsympathetically bourgie this sounds ??
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Captain Pablo said:

Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



Do you know how unsympathetically bourgie this sounds ??

Because it is government's right to tax your property in order to force you to sell, because they don't like the way you use it? Do you know how unsympathetically communist this sounds ??
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Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.


Always looking for new ways to tax you and keep that corruption machine going.
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500 million a year in extra taxes!
Thats a few dinner parties for the communist elite, salaries for overseers and enforcement officers, couple of million to repair companies owned by donors.
They would burn right through that 500 million and be back for more!!
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nortex97
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I fully support NYC finding creative new ways to confiscate property from big apple residents. They deserve all of it.
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Over_ed said:

Captain Pablo said:

Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



Do you know how unsympathetically bourgie this sounds ??

Because it is government's right to tax your property in order to force you to sell, because they don't like the way you use it? Do you know how unsympathetically communist this sounds ??

This is how it is done. We lived in Denmark for a couple of years about twenty years ago. Like most expats at that time, we lived in a relative mansion for a very reasonable lease rate….while our landlord and his family lived in a small apartment a couple of miles away.

Why/how? Because Denmark imputed into your regular income how much you could have rented your house out for if you chose to live in your own house and taxed that imputed income at very high rates. Or you could sign a document giving your house to the government, you could then live in it without lease cost or imputation of tax until you died. When you died, the government would split your house into four units and lease to the general populace.

This is how socialist and communist seize private property….thru taxation.
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I would burn it to the ground before I would let them tax it to support their corruption.
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Logos Stick
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nortex97 said:

I fully support NYC finding creative new ways to confiscate property from big apple residents. They deserve all of it.

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San Diego has a $125M budget shortfall.
And they've been blowing tens of millions on useless bike lanes, disrupting parking in high traffic areas near business etc...

I used to live there but the current city doesn't not resemble the one I left anymore. Their priorities are so screwed up.
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aggiedata said:



This actually disgusts me to see him so excited about taxing anyone. What a tone deaf video to send out on a day when pretty much everyone who is filing taxes is pissed at the government for taking their money.

My sister is a liberal who owns her own therapy practice. She forgot to withhold/save for taxes for 2025 and had a big check due yesterday. She couldn't believe it. Let her know to keep voting democrat and that # will keep going up.

Furthers my belief that auto withholding from paychecks should be illegal. Make everyone write a damn check to the government and see how small government everyone becomes.

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Tex100 said:

https://www.newsweek.com/new-tax-proposed-for-nyc-properties-what-to-know-11830711

There are already less of them from a few years ago. This should accelerate the trend

I mean, NYC has a huge housing supply problem, this should help create additional supply to the market and lower housing prices.
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eater of the list said:

Tex100 said:

https://www.newsweek.com/new-tax-proposed-for-nyc-properties-what-to-know-11830711

There are already less of them from a few years ago. This should accelerate the trend

I mean, NYC has a huge housing supply problem, this should help create additional supply to the market and lower housing prices.

LOL. Prices are never lowered.
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Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



The funny part is trying to convince family and friends to vacation in Oakland.
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HarleySpoon said:

Over_ed said:

Captain Pablo said:

Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



Do you know how unsympathetically bourgie this sounds ??

Because it is government's right to tax your property in order to force you to sell, because they don't like the way you use it? Do you know how unsympathetically communist this sounds ??

This is how it is done. We lived in Denmark for a couple of years about twenty years ago. Like most expats at that time, we lived in a relative mansion for a very reasonable lease rate….while our landlord and his family lived in a small apartment a couple of miles away.

Why/how? Because Denmark imputed into your regular income how much you could have rented your house out for if you chose to live in your own house and taxed that imputed income at very high rates. Or you could sign a document giving your house to the government, you could then live in it without lease cost or imputation of tax until you died. When you died, the government would split your house into four units and lease to the general populace.

This is how socialist and communist seize private property….thru taxation.

Great post. I was stationed in Berlin and the difference of being on the west side compared to the east was almost unbelievable. But, I was young and naive at the time. \

Later, I went for a couple of weeks to Cuba, as guest of the government. All of the "research centers" I visited were houses stolen by the communist government.

The left does care about private property - to them it is an impediment.
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Over_ed said:

HarleySpoon said:

Over_ed said:

Captain Pablo said:

Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



Do you know how unsympathetically bourgie this sounds ??

Because it is government's right to tax your property in order to force you to sell, because they don't like the way you use it? Do you know how unsympathetically communist this sounds ??

This is how it is done. We lived in Denmark for a couple of years about twenty years ago. Like most expats at that time, we lived in a relative mansion for a very reasonable lease rate….while our landlord and his family lived in a small apartment a couple of miles away.

Why/how? Because Denmark imputed into your regular income how much you could have rented your house out for if you chose to live in your own house and taxed that imputed income at very high rates. Or you could sign a document giving your house to the government, you could then live in it without lease cost or imputation of tax until you died. When you died, the government would split your house into four units and lease to the general populace.

This is how socialist and communist seize private property….thru taxation.

Great post. I was stationed in Berlin and the difference of being on the west side compared to the east was almost unbelievable. But, I was young and naive at the time. \

Later, I went for a couple of weeks to Cuba, as guest of the government. All of the "research centers" I visited were houses stolen by the communist government.

The left does care about private property - to them it is an impediment.



That's essentially what Marxism is: the abolition of private property.
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Over_ed said:

Captain Pablo said:

Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



Do you know how unsympathetically bourgie this sounds ??

Because it is government's right to tax your property in order to force you to sell, because they don't like the way you use it? Do you know how unsympathetically communist this sounds ??


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eater of the list said:

Tex100 said:

https://www.newsweek.com/new-tax-proposed-for-nyc-properties-what-to-know-11830711

There are already less of them from a few years ago. This should accelerate the trend

I mean, NYC has a huge housing supply problem, this should help create additional supply to the market and lower housing prices.


You think these 2nd empty homes by the rich are 2/1 in any sort of affordable range? The vast majority aren't.

This is just another tax vieled as doing *something* to address housing prices. Its just another tax. Also, these new taxes aren't going directly to address home affordability, theyre getting dumped into the general fund.
aTm '99
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Over_ed said:

HarleySpoon said:

Over_ed said:

Captain Pablo said:

Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



Do you know how unsympathetically bourgie this sounds ??

Because it is government's right to tax your property in order to force you to sell, because they don't like the way you use it? Do you know how unsympathetically communist this sounds ??

This is how it is done. We lived in Denmark for a couple of years about twenty years ago. Like most expats at that time, we lived in a relative mansion for a very reasonable lease rate….while our landlord and his family lived in a small apartment a couple of miles away.

Why/how? Because Denmark imputed into your regular income how much you could have rented your house out for if you chose to live in your own house and taxed that imputed income at very high rates. Or you could sign a document giving your house to the government, you could then live in it without lease cost or imputation of tax until you died. When you died, the government would split your house into four units and lease to the general populace.

This is how socialist and communist seize private property….thru taxation.

Great post. I was stationed in Berlin and the difference of being on the west side compared to the east was almost unbelievable. But, I was young and naive at the time. \

Later, I went for a couple of weeks to Cuba, as guest of the government. All of the "research centers" I visited were houses stolen by the communist government.

The left does care about private property - to them it is an impediment.

Back before multi TV stations and biased media, back before nightly Viet Nam reports, quite often the national news would report of an 18 to 21 year old who tried to scale the Berlin wall out of East Germany. and would get killed by guards, or get caught in concertina and beaten savagely.
As a 7 year old, I knew after Dad explained it to me that communism was no way to live, and they were the bad guys.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

eater of the list said:

Tex100 said:

https://www.newsweek.com/new-tax-proposed-for-nyc-properties-what-to-know-11830711

There are already less of them from a few years ago. This should accelerate the trend

I mean, NYC has a huge housing supply problem, this should help create additional supply to the market and lower housing prices.


You think these 2nd empty homes by the rich are 2/1 in any sort of affordable range? The vast majority aren't.

This is just another tax vieled as doing *something* to address housing prices. Its just another tax. Also, these new taxes aren't going directly to address home affordability, theyre getting dumped into the general fund.

I think its more likely the 2nd homes are used for airbnb type situation that it is mcmansions of the rich in which case, it will help with the supply.

Spain is doing this same type of policies as they have a huge problem with a large portion of affordable apartments being bought and used for airbnb investments.
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Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.


What if you put it up as a rental property, but charge some ridiculous rent? It is not vacant, you are just choosy on who you want to rent it to.
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Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



People have second homes in.........Oakland?
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Captain Pablo said:

Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Quote:

California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



Do you know how unsympathetically bourgie this sounds ??



She already pays taxes on that property. Why should she pay MORE because it's a second home and/or because she doesn't live in it full-time?
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eater of the list said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

eater of the list said:

Tex100 said:

https://www.newsweek.com/new-tax-proposed-for-nyc-properties-what-to-know-11830711

There are already less of them from a few years ago. This should accelerate the trend

I mean, NYC has a huge housing supply problem, this should help create additional supply to the market and lower housing prices.


You think these 2nd empty homes by the rich are 2/1 in any sort of affordable range? The vast majority aren't.

This is just another tax vieled as doing *something* to address housing prices. Its just another tax. Also, these new taxes aren't going directly to address home affordability, theyre getting dumped into the general fund.

I think its more likely the 2nd homes are used for airbnb type situation that it is mcmansions of the rich in which case, it will help with the supply.

Spain is doing this same type of policies as they have a huge problem with a large portion of affordable apartments being bought and used for airbnb investments.

LOL, "Spain".
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Captain Pablo said:

Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



Do you know how unsympathetically bourgie this sounds ??

Jealousy is a real *****, isn't it.
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Be successful and make a good salary, and create generational wealth for your descendants. Oh wait, not that much. Only as successful as we think you should be.
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How is it that the Governor of the State can propose taxes on real estate in a specific city? Seems to me it should be statewide or not at all . Otherwise it should be a city tax should it not?
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What a socialist thing to say.
Attack life, It's going to kill you anyway!
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Captain Pablo said:

Sid Farkas said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/owners-keep-thousands-of-san-diego-homes-vacant-despite-high-rents-they-could-soon-be-taxed/ar-AA20pFXi?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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California's second-largest city is set to take dramatic action.

In a few weeks, San Diego voters will decide whether to become the latest California municipality to tax vacant, or non-primary, homes a revenue bid that officials insist could raise millions and return some empty residences to the housing market.


Oakland is already doing it…My mother who is too old and feeble to travel from Austin to her second home in SD is facing an additional $8k annual tax. She's hustling to get family and friends to spend time there to avoid it.



Do you know how unsympathetically bourgie this sounds ??

Do you know how this makes you sound?
Owlagdad
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If I saw that I couldnt afford housing somewhere.. I would move.
If I wasnt making enough money, I would switch jobs.
If I wanted to better myself, I would get more school, or find someone who teach me a trade.
If I didnt have a car to get there, Id buy a bus ticket.
But to liberals, people are too dumb to do any of the above.
If our forefathers had the gumption of people who are told they cant do without government, I guess the first colonies would be about as far as the U.S. would be.
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