samurai_science said:

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Just one of the many factors leading to lower birth rates and increased autism. Maybe other long term health issues we dont even know about. I wonder if this could be tracked in states that have lax laws against its use?

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Falling fertility rates are driven largely by one, obesity (by far the biggest factor and why fertility rates are dropping much faster in developed countries which have higher rates of obesity) and two, the ubiquitous exposure to plastics and some of their byproducts.

Everything else is such a distant factor behind those as to effectively be irrelevant.

Does THC also contribute to peanut allergies?

Infection_Ag11 said:

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samurai_science said:

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Just one of the many factors leading to lower birth rates and increased autism. Maybe other long term health issues we dont even know about. I wonder if this could be tracked in states that have lax laws against its use?

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Falling fertility rates are driven largely by one, obesity (by far the biggest factor and why fertility rates are dropping much faster in developed countries which have higher rates of obesity) and two, the ubiquitous exposure to plastics and some of their byproducts.

Everything else is such a distant factor behind those as to effectively be irrelevant.

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Explain to me like I'm 5 doc. The rocket can't reach the moon because of fat?

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Dave Robicheaux said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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THC is definitely not as benign as many will claim, but the claims in the OP are based largely on some pretty fringe research/data. And Huberman is really starting to venture down the path of quackery in general.

But more to the point, smoking and alcohol use have FAR more well documented detrimental effects to both pregnant women and male fertility than THC does and both remain legal.

Again, no matter how dangerous long term THC use is, it is inconceivable we will ever discover that long term alcohol and tobacco aren't FAR more dangerous.

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Your statements are contradictory, It was a board certified reproductive endocrinologist saying that.

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There are board certified oncologists who claim the cure for cancer is being covered up by big pharma, board certified infectious disease doctors who claim chronic Lyme disease is the cause of all nebulous syndromes like chronic fatigue syndrome, and board certified urologists who claim all positive urine cultures require antibiotics. And on and on. Examples exist in every field.

95% of board certified cardiologists will tell you COVID was exponentially more dangerous to the heart for most patient populations than the COVID vaccine, and most on this board would say they are wrong.

So I guess I don't understand what your point is. And I'm not even saying it definitely isn't true. I'm simply saying her claims are not substantiated by quality data to the degree she is leading people to believe at this time.

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there is modest correlation, which is enough when it comes to fertilization. Easy to examine sperm motility/anatomy and embryo development, way more than linkage with Covid/covid vaccine with coagulation issues ( I believe) or rheumatologic issues ( really tough to correlate)

IMO. it is something, and with young people doing more and more THC, it should at least turn on a flashing light.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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samurai_science said:

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Just one of the many factors leading to lower birth rates and increased autism. Maybe other long term health issues we dont even know about. I wonder if this could be tracked in states that have lax laws against its use?

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Falling fertility rates are driven largely by one, obesity (by far the biggest factor and why fertility rates are dropping much faster in developed countries which have higher rates of obesity) and two, the ubiquitous exposure to plastics and some of their byproducts.

Everything else is such a distant factor behind those as to effectively be irrelevant.

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Does women opting for kids at a later age make much difference in overall U.S. fertility rates?

Edited to add overall.

ShackelfordAg99 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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samurai_science said:

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Just one of the many factors leading to lower birth rates and increased autism. Maybe other long term health issues we dont even know about. I wonder if this could be tracked in states that have lax laws against its use?

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Falling fertility rates are driven largely by one, obesity (by far the biggest factor and why fertility rates are dropping much faster in developed countries which have higher rates of obesity) and two, the ubiquitous exposure to plastics and some of their byproducts.

Everything else is such a distant factor behind those as to effectively be irrelevant.

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Does women opting for kids at a later age make much difference in fertility rates?

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4% chance per month after age 40

jja79 said:

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I'm not a scientist nor have I completed a legitimate study but the only people I know with a worthless, unmotivated, under performing 25-35 year old hanging around the house have the same cause. Marijuana.

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And possibly enabling parents or spouses? Besides, how are they buying pot if they are just hanging at the house. In any case, kick their asses out and they'll get motivated in a hurry. Damn near guaranteed.

ShackelfordAg99 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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samurai_science said:

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Just one of the many factors leading to lower birth rates and increased autism. Maybe other long term health issues we dont even know about. I wonder if this could be tracked in states that have lax laws against its use?

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Falling fertility rates are driven largely by one, obesity (by far the biggest factor and why fertility rates are dropping much faster in developed countries which have higher rates of obesity) and two, the ubiquitous exposure to plastics and some of their byproducts.

Everything else is such a distant factor behind those as to effectively be irrelevant.

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Does women opting for kids at a later age make much difference in overall U.S. fertility rates?

Edited to add overall.

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Sure, but most statistics and data on the topic age correct for this. Fertility rates are dropping across the board.

Alcohol, Pot/THC, Tobacco, etc. are not beneficial to the brain. Hard drugs are worse. Not really debatable.

Social stigmas exist with all of them, but less so with alcohol.

Long term/heavy use with any of these results with issues that can have significant health issues, hard drugs being the leader in this category. Not really debatable.

The real issue that I have witnessed in my life, is that alcohol does not necessarily lead to anything more than alcohol issues, which are bad, but a focused issue.

The real issue that I have witnessed is, due to the nature of being truly unregulated (no matter which State), is that MJ exposes users to other drugs that are unregulated/illegal due to the nature of distribution and becomes an easy gateway to the harder drugs that likely have an irreversible outcome to the negative effect.

When it gets down to it, it is largely a cultural discipline effect. I know lots of people that drink alcohol a bit to the excess, but never let it affect their familial or professional lives. Same with Pot. However, I have seen people get into a pipeline of help with alcohol to correct their ways. Differentially, I have seen people that liked Pot slide into the darker drugs with a lesser off ramp. I've seen both type users that can handle every day life just fine professionally.

As seeing both in the professional life, early in their careers, usually the one that is occasionally hungover seems to lessen the issue over time because of the pain of it. Not always. The one that gets stoned/high usually seems to feel like it does not affect them because of lack of hangover effect, defends their position because of the lack of pain and continues the use if not increasing it. Again, not always if they are career driven.

There is no solution other than choices that individuals make, that will affect them, their lives both personally and professionally.

Wonder if Pfizer paid for the report?

Davanji84 said:

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jja79 said:

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I'm not a scientist nor have I completed a legitimate study but the only people I know with a worthless, unmotivated, under performing 25-35 year old hanging around the house have the same cause. Marijuana.

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And possibly enabling parents or spouses? Besides, how are they buying pot if they are just hanging at the house. In any case, kick their asses out and they'll get motivated in a hurry. Damn near guaranteed.

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As I said I'm not a scientist nor have I completed a legitimate expirament so I don't know how stupid parents factor in. Just saying in my almost 70 years the only 25-35 year old losers hanging out with parents are potheads.

"No but dude, I just do it for medicinal purposes.."

lol two pages and not a single person actually looked up the study. It was….24 men. They have zero causation, no idea if what they found represents "damage', or any idea if what they did find is passed to children.

Meta analysis of both smoking and alcohol have proved DNA fragmentation in Men. Meta analysis has not done so for cannabis.

If you're worrying about it, stop drinking, using tobacco, and consuming anything with microplastics. It'll be tough to live

I'm generally pro adult usage.of intoxicants that are not excessively harmful or destructive in reasonable amounts and that are reasonably predictable in dosage and effect.

We understand alcohol well now, but are still learning about the much more complex effects of THC and related canniboids as their chemistry and biochemistry is more complex. We have refined the production of the drug and majorly increased the typical dosage over the last couple of decades and the effects of it short and long term are less predictable.

A major concern is some apparent psychological effects including a significant occurrence of schizophrenia associated with heavy usage in the more youthful population. The effects of use on the individual aren't reliably linear with the dosage because it isn't a simple matter of blood concentration as it is with alcohol. I'm not saying we should ban adult use, but rather that we should be more cautious with it before we declare it relatively harmless and be open about the negative consequences we do observe so people can make informed choices.

Are you saying marijuana isn't good for you????

Didn't effect mine

jja79 said:

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Davanji84 said:

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jja79 said:

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I'm not a scientist nor have I completed a legitimate study but the only people I know with a worthless, unmotivated, under performing 25-35 year old hanging around the house have the same cause. Marijuana.

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And possibly enabling parents or spouses? Besides, how are they buying pot if they are just hanging at the house. In any case, kick their asses out and they'll get motivated in a hurry. Damn near guaranteed.

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As I said I'm not a scientist nor have I completed a legitimate expirament so I don't know how stupid parents factor in. Just saying in my almost 70 years the only 25-35 year old losers hanging out with parents are potheads.

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Good morning jja79. I know what you are saying and I don't necessarily disagree. I was more commenting based on personal experience except replace weed with alcohol. What I described was the solution to that issue and I can assume that it might also apply to the pothead. Have a great day.

So now it's time to trust the science!

Samurai science better be careful, or he'll start making a case for publicly funded scientific research.

Bayou City said:

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Didn't effect mine

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Same here. Didn't use THC before we had our first. Began having gummies before our 2nd. They actually increased my drive for all the "attempts". She's now 5 and is healthy, happy and smart as a whip. I've continued to partake. Carry on.

There always has to be a boogeyman and THC is it!!