doubledog said:

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Ag83 said:

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The bill does not attempt to invoke the 25th Amendment - it attempts to establish a "bipartisan" commission to take the place of the cabinet with respect to the 25th Amendment. And the existing 25th Amendment already provides this allowance.

Some republicans pushed non-binding resolutions calling on Harris to invoke the 25th against Biden. Not the same thing.

Maybe read the bill (and the 25th Amendment)?

https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/democrats-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/ld_01_xml.pdf

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As I wrote.
The Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet can declare the President unable to discharge their duties, making the Vice President the Acting President. If the President contests this, Congress decides the issue.

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Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session.

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Seems like there is an issue only if the President does not accept the VP/cabinet declaration. Not much wiggle room for a Congressional "bipartisan" committee.

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You missed part of it from your quote in the OP. Section 4 doesn't just say VP/cabinet:
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

So I guess this bill is essentially trying to create that body. Still a massive waste of time and the 25th will never happen.

aggiegolfer2012 said:

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Doc Hayworth said:

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Biden was a vegetable, so there goes that theory.

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He shouldn't have been president, but he could walk and talk. If the 25th is initiated by the cabinet, all the president has to do is send something that says he's capable of fulfilling his duties. Then you need 2/3 of both houses to vote him out. I don't see congress getting to 2/3 to remove an elected president unless they're laid up somewhere not able to speak/move.

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Congress couldn't get a 2/3s vote on anything, other than a congressional pay raise!

backintexas2013 said:

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Why? That seems like something congress should do. Just because the president won't sign it doesn't mean you dont pass something. ACA is hot garbage and Obama signed it and then like a little ***** stopped the tax

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I think he's referring to when Congress voted 40+ times to repeal ACA while the minority party and then when they obtained the majority literally ignored it and had zero plan to address it. After voting against it 40+ times.

This still angers me and is a great example of the Republicans being controlled opposition, uniparty cowards.

Yes that is what I was getting at

I quoted some one who referred to the current stunt as performative art

aggiegolfer2012 said:

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doubledog said:

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Ag83 said:

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The bill does not attempt to invoke the 25th Amendment - it attempts to establish a "bipartisan" commission to take the place of the cabinet with respect to the 25th Amendment. And the existing 25th Amendment already provides this allowance.

Some republicans pushed non-binding resolutions calling on Harris to invoke the 25th against Biden. Not the same thing.

Maybe read the bill (and the 25th Amendment)?

https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/democrats-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/ld_01_xml.pdf

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As I wrote.
The Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet can declare the President unable to discharge their duties, making the Vice President the Acting President. If the President contests this, Congress decides the issue.

Quote:

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Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session.

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Seems like there is an issue only if the President does not accept the VP/cabinet declaration. Not much wiggle room for a Congressional "bipartisan" committee.

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You missed part of it from your quote in the OP. Section 4 doesn't just say VP/cabinet:
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

So I guess this bill is essentially trying to create that body. Still a massive waste of time and the 25th will never happen.

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No matter how you slice this the VP must be involved.

Bull Meachem said:

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Republicans were saying the same **** when Biden was failing. Of course his cabinet should have removed him but no cabinet is going to do that.

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As I remember at least the Republicans understood the Constitution in this instance.
GOP senator demands Cabinet invoke 25th Amendment against Biden after suspending his re-election campaign
Notice the difference "demands the cabinet"

Im Gipper said:

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Thanks! Had no idea that occurred! Morons all over.

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No, they called for the cabinet to invoke the 25th amendment, they understood Congress does not have the authority to invoke the 25th.

He's not out of control, he's out of THEIR control and they don't like it.

mslags97 said:

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4 said:

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They aren't ignorant of it. They don't care.

It's about establishing a narrative

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This.

The dems are just piling up narratives. Mostly flat out lies…

ICE is killing people just randomly; ICE is unhinged…

We lost the war in Iran…. Even though it's been completely one-sided in our favor in every way….

Trump is not competent and clearly has no cognitive ability…..

Trump caused high gas prices and massive inflation, while both are still lower than under biden……

Every one of these has been parroted by the dems and the left. Every one of them is a lie. They don't care. This is their strategy, and it is working.

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Sadly, we already know 45% of the populace are ideological, ignorant sheep. Unfortunately, another 20-25% are just emotionally stupid. Anyone with a smidgen of intelligence can see through their bs, but we're surrounded by mindless, emotional followers.

Note in the 25 amendment:
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration
-that no inability exists, -
he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department
- or of such other body as Congress may by law provide,-

Seems the only time "such other body as Congress may by law provide only occurs after a President rejects the claim he is incapable.

4 said:

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They aren't ignorant of it. They don't care.

It's about establishing a narrative

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This.

They know that if they can whine and cry and get their base to believe something, they have a shot at changing the established systems.

Look at the Electoral College as an example. You have 2 states now that have decided that they will give their votes to whomever wins the popular vote. That is 100% disenfranchsing the people of their state, but the idiodic call to abolish the EC over the last decade is now paying dividends.

The dems are absolute masters at the long game, and they prove it over and over again. Keep the base ignorant of how government should run (which they do because they control the education system) and adhere to Goebbel's philosophy of "anything becomes the truth if it is repeated enough", which they are playing to a T right now.