25Lighters said:

---

It's also crazy to see how some of the msnbc and cnn crew were pretty moderate with the stuff they would say 10-15 years ago.

IMO they are all paid actors and do what their handlers tell them to do.

---

Exactly. Before Trump became president I would switched between all the news channels or on all of the websites and now you just can't. They're just crazy and liars and basically opinion people. They can't start a sentence about Trump without having kind of negative slant on it.

25Lighters said:

---

It's also crazy to see how some of the msnbc and cnn crew were pretty moderate with the stuff they would say 10-15 years ago.

IMO they are all paid actors and do what their handlers tell them to do.

---

Ding ding ding

Gigem314 said:

---

techno-ag said:

---

Dems do just what they're told to do. After The Donald became a Republican Presidential candidate, they were told to hate him.

---

Exactly.

They loved Trump the celebrity. They celebrated his bragging and blunt demeanor. "You're fired" was one of the most quoted phrases of any reality show at the time.

He hasn't changed at all. But their view of him did once he chose the other team.

---

He's been the same guy for decades. It's funny when you'll see a rerun of a show and they mention Trump and it's always positive, seen it on Supernatural, on The Office, Friends, plenty of shows. Then he became the devil incarnate and the comments became different.

Hell, you can barely find clips from when he was on Saturday Night Live. They're out there, but I don't know if it's on the original streaming. It could be though.

FrioAg 00 said:

---

The were told to hate baby bush when he was potus, and they did. They accused him or racism, sexism and hate. They even tried to blame him for a poorly run democrat city in a hurricane.


Then, a decade after his presidency they were told to like him (and Chaney too). They immediately recreated their narrative and painted him positively again.


There isn't one ounce of genuineness or objective thinking in them. It's amazing anyone at all still listens to them.

---

And now they love/defend John McCain and Liz Cheney..

annie88 said:

---

Hell, you can barely find clips from when he was on Saturday Night Live. They're out there, but I don't know if it's on the original streaming. It could be though.

---

Your point falls flat. Took no time at all to find this on google. This is the SNL YouTube channel.

Mega Lops said:

---

annie88 said:

---

Hell, you can barely find clips from when he was on Saturday Night Live.

They're out there, but I don't know if it's on the original streaming. It could be though.

---

Your point falls flat. Took no time at all to find this on google. This is the SNL YouTube channel.

---

You didn't read very closely. I specifically said they're out there, but don't know if it's on the original streaming, but it could be.

They redid their streaming in the past few years. There was a time you couldn't find it easily and/or it was taken off.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

Yes, there was a specific, well-documented period when a performance by Donald Trump on Saturday Night Live was difficult to locate and appeared to be missing from official channels.

The "Missing" 2004 SkitThe Skit: A sketch from Donald Trump's 2004 hosting appearance (April 3, 2004), titled "Donald Trump's House of Wings," was notoriously removed from streaming platforms and the show's official DVD releases for a period. YouTubeInside Edition +1The

Content: In the skit, Trump wore a bright yellow suit and danced with cast members (including Amy Poehler, Maya Rudolph, and Kenan Thompson) dressed as chickens. The New York Times +1The Disappearance:

The sketch was removed from Hulu and other official online, leading to speculation and searches for the "lost" video around 2015. YouTubeInside Edition +1Resurfacing:

The clip eventually resurfaced online and is now sporadically available through various media retrospectives and archives.

Mega Lops said:

---

annie88 said:

---

Hell, you can barely find clips from when he was on Saturday Night Live. They're out there, but I don't know if it's on the original streaming. It could be though.

---

Your point falls flat. Took no time at all to find this on google. This is the SNL YouTube channel.

---

Got im?

TDS & COVID broke liberal progressives/those who vote democrat.

25Lighters said:

---

It's also crazy to see how some of the msnbc and cnn crew were pretty moderate with the stuff they would say 10-15 years ago.

IMO they are all paid actors and do what their handlers tell them to do.

---

10-15 years ago I watched Morning Joe nearly every morning. Joe and people like Harold Ford would bring a conservative approach and everyone else a progressive. Actually had some decent conversations. They would put Trump on whenever he called. Then Trump won. MJ realized Trump used them as free publicity during his campaign. They had happily given him airtime because they thought he would never win. MB took it really personally and Joe had to follow suit because she was his side piece. They thought they were smarter than Trump and HATED the fact Trump played them for free marketing.
L

As soon as the Russiagate propaganda convinced them he was corrupt, everything switched. Or, were they or their networks paid?

The media Hollywood always assumed or for some reason believed in their minds that Donald Trump was part of their group. They loved his brash in your face personality when he was just simply a private internationally known businessman because it didn't hurt them in any capacity and he wasn't a threat.


When he came down the escalator at Trump Tower on June 15 of 2015 to announce that he is running for president as a republican and how he delivered that message that day completely caught them off guard and bewildered everything that they thought Donald Trump would be or is.

So they kind of started off a little slow and just kind of made statements like aw Trump doesn't really stand a chance or he's not really serious about running. This is just for publicity but as he started gaining steam and poll #s started coming in they were like oh crap then they had to ramp up the heat and it's only gotten 100 x worse since that late summer early fall 2015.

Funky Winkerbean said:

---

As soon as the Russiagate propaganda convinced them he was corrupt, everything switched. Or, were they or their networks paid?

---

I think everyone with a brain knew the answer to this immediately. It was well known at the time and how EVERYONE didn't immediately see this for what it was really makes you realize how lazy and uninformed the "masses" tend to be.

The playbook has been the same for as long as I can remember, and probably since at least Nixon. The left pretends to be moderates and loves a terrible Republican candidate, proclaims they are a centrist, and how they can bring the nation together (Bob Dole, Romney, any Bush, McCain, etc. etc. etc.). Moderate republicans fall for it, then as soon as they are the nominee the media somehow realizes that same candidate is LITERALLY Hitler, and savagely attacks them leaving republicans with a terrible candidate that nobody really wants.

God bless Donald Trump. "They" completely underestimated him and his non-political, punch you in the mouth style and he beat them at their own game.

Youngsters, don't fall for it in your first few elections. The script is always the same. Until the status quo changes, a true in-your-face fighter is the only candidate that can win from the Republican side. Donald Trump has done MUCH to dismantle this machine and neuter the legacy media's influence and DNC dark money but this fight is far from over.

It's funny to look back and see these folks before TDS ruled their lives. The reality was... at that time, although DJT was running as a Republican, he was perceived as "one of them". The Hollyweird crowd saw his as a real estate tycoon/reality tv star. They didn't think he'd do anything but stir up the GOP and hand the dems the White House. Oh, how dumb they were.

all the world is a stage and men and women are merely actors.

i used to think this was pretty true now i know without a doubt it is absolutely true.

zephyr88 said:

---

It's funny to look back and see these folks before TDS ruled their lives. The reality was... at that time, although DJT was running as a Republican, he was perceived as "one of them". The Hollyweird crowd saw his as a real estate tycoon/reality tv star. They didn't think he'd do anything but stir up the GOP and hand the dems the White House. Oh, how dumb they were.

---

And they happily gave him a billion dollars in free publicity. I remember Ted Cruz commenting on his TV appearances during the campaign. Those were timed appearances, two maybe four minutes long. But invariably instead of being asked about his campaign and his platform he would be asked to react to whatever Trump had said that day. That took most of the time allotted.

zephyr88 said:

---

It's funny to look back and see these folks before TDS ruled their lives. The reality was... at that time, although DJT was running as a Republican, he was perceived as "one of them". The Hollyweird crowd saw his as a real estate tycoon/reality tv star. They didn't think he'd do anything but stir up the GOP and hand the dems the White House. Oh, how dumb they were.

---

I recollect during that campaign the media would viciously attack whoever was leading in the polls of the Republican primary one by one until they knocked him down. Trump was the last man standing and that was by design. They thought Hillary had the best chance against Trump.

Meanwhile the Dems were stacking the deck to give Hillary their nomination with "super delegates" whose votes would override the regular convention state delegates.

Quote:

---

Meanwhile the Dems were stacking the deck to give Hillary their nomination with "super delegates" whose votes would override the regular convention state delegates.

---

Sanders was screwed in that respect but hey, he got a great lakehouse as a consolation prize.

Trump said stuff that millions of Americans were thinking. No other politician had the stones to just lay it all out there. We'll never see a personality and leader like Trump again in our lifetimes.

Pizza said:

---

TDS & COVID broke liberal progressives/those who vote democrat.

---

I think media broke the liberal mind, they used TDS and Covid to further break it, but it all comes back to the thesis of this thread.

Without the mouthpiece of the DNC, most liberals just view Trump as another Republican to put up with until next election.

It took the MSM acquiescing to their puppet masters to completely melt the liberal mind and remove all reason and logic.

"You don't hate them enough"

June 15, 2015..... Trump is an "ally" to black groups (including Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton) who was even idolized by rappers (e.g. "I'm the black Donald Trump").

June 16, 2015, as he rode that Trump bldg escalator down as a candidate for President..... "Literally Hitler!!!!1"

Fascinating to see. Clearly they knew Trump was a disrupter to the GOP and that's why they talked nicely of him. They desperately wanted him to win the nomination because they believed he was a clown an Hillary would stomp him. I fell for it as well. I wanted any candidate to win other than Trump because I thought he was utterly unelectable. I felt the same before the last cycle because I thought everybody was just worn out with him at that point. Incredibly happy to have been wrong both times.

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

---

all the world is a stage and men and women are merely actors.

i used to think this was pretty true now i know without a doubt it is absolutely true.

---

It's definitely all manipulation and the useful idiots fall for it every time.

ts5641 said:

---

Fascinating to see. Clearly they knew Trump was a disrupter to the GOP and that's why they talked nicely of him. They desperately wanted him to win the nomination because they believed he was a clown an Hillary would stomp him. I fell for it as well. I wanted any candidate to win other than Trump because I thought he was utterly unelectable. I felt the same before the last cycle because I thought everybody was just worn out with him at that point. Incredibly happy to have been wrong both times.

---

I was right there with you on the electability issue and was slow to come around on Trump (Cruz supporter) but when the writing was on the wall that he would be the nominee the question then became if he could penetrate...and win anywhere in the Blue Wall. And that would come down to how organized the state GOP was in those states.

She was mostly ineffective as RNC chair but Ronna, as state party chair, had the pulse of Michigan and kept after Trump to keep coming back to hold rallies there.

Hillary's campaign just ignored those states, assuming she would win by a large margin.

zephyr88 said:

---

It's funny to look back and see these folks before TDS ruled their lives. The reality was... at that time, although DJT was running as a Republican, he was perceived as "one of them". The Hollyweird crowd saw his as a real estate tycoon/reality tv star. They didn't think he'd do anything but stir up the GOP and hand the dems the White House. Oh, how dumb they were.

---

I have listened to Bloomberg radio most weekday mornings for around fifteen years or more. I can recall hearing a steady diet of guests, mostly political analysts, that routinely stated Hillary had the election in the bag.

ts5641 said:

---

Fascinating to see. Clearly they knew Trump was a disrupter to the GOP and that's why they talked nicely of him. They desperately wanted him to win the nomination because they believed he was a clown an Hillary would stomp him. I fell for it as well. I wanted any candidate to win other than Trump because I thought he was utterly unelectable. I felt the same before the last cycle because I thought everybody was just worn out with him at that point. Incredibly happy to have been wrong both times.

---

Here's a funny thing. He definitely did lean democrat, but he had always supported Republicans as well and there are videos of him at some of the Republican national conventions back in the 80s and 90s. He wasn't quite as "democrat" as people think he was.

Interesting breakdown regarding Trump and Democrats v. Republicans.

From 1989 to 2015, Donald Trump made $1,845,290 worth of political donations. Republicans received $1,150,540, and Democrats received $694,750.

Before 2011, Trump donated more money to Democrats than Republicans.

Between 2011 and 2015, Trump contributed $8,500 to Democrats and $630,150 to Republicans.

Quote:

---

Quote:
While Donald Trump donated $175,860 more to Democrats than Republicans from 1989 to 2010, his giving to Democrats significantly decreased beginning 2011.

Republicans received $630,150 in donations from Trump between 2011 and 2015, while Democrats received $8,500.

Trump was questioned about his previous political contributions to Democrats while on the campaign trail. During a June 2015 interview, Trump was asked why he donated to the Clinton Foundation and prominent Democrats, including former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.), and Obama White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

Trump replied, "It's smart. It's called being an intelligent person and a great business person. ... But the truth is that, you have to be able to get along withif you're gonna be a business person, even in the United States, you wanna get along with all sides because you're gonna need things from everybody. And you wanna get along with all sides, it's very important."

---