Rewriting History - DEI

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It is an amazing trend how they keep rewriting history for DEI purposes. Here is a BBC article (yes, I know) that describes this Moroccan guy who led a shipwreck group across America as one of the first Explorers. The reality was that he was part of the Cabeza de Vaca expedition. Can't wait for them to adapt this to a movie.

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20260527-estevanico-the-african-explorer-who-crossed-north-america


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6:39p, 5/30/26
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We need to keep putting DIE in the rearview mirror.
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In reply to Burrus86 • 6:51p, 5/30/26
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We need to keep putting DIE in the rearview mirror.

Then it would simply read "3ID".
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6:52p, 5/30/26
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Hilarious I actually read that yesterday and thought the same thing. Never even mentioned Cabeza de Vaca!
By the way Brandon Seale had a podcast on that expedition and I thought it was great!
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6:56p, 5/30/26
Africa invented AI.
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I remember learning about him as a kid in Texas history, but he wasn't turned into some larger than life character. We learned what history says about him, that he was part of the expedition, and what he did when they were shipwrecked, but that was it. The guy was obviously educated and intelligent, and history should give him his dues.

That said, this is all part of a massive push by white liberals and black supremacists to erase white history, one piece at a time. This is why you see them now claiming that the ancient Greeks were "African" which ALWAYS means they were black. They've already done this with the Egyptians, including Cleopatra, Carthaginians, especially Hannibal, Vikings, Britons, etc. etc. etc. And don't forget the 1619 project or even more fanciful claims such as those who say that all of those living in the Americas before European contact were "African" because people from sub-Saharan Africa sailed across the Atlantic and colonized the Americas, not people from Asia/Siberia.

They are rewriting history to say anyone from Africa throughout all of history is/was black, even though people who inhabited North Africa are not black and never were black. (Yes, there could have been some black people living there, but they would not have been a consequential percentage of the population.) Many were of Greek, Roman, and Phoenician descent and of course Egyptians. Later of course all of North Africa was conquered by the Muslims Arabs, and the populations overtime intermarried.

It is likely that Esteban was of mixed race descent, like most Moors, and was not black as in Sub-Saharan African black.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 7:05p, 5/30/26
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I remember learning about him as a kid in Texas history, but he wasn't turned into some larger than life character. We learned what history says about him, that he was part of the expedition, and what he did when they were shipwrecked, but that was it. The guy was obviously educated and intelligent, and history should give him his dues.

That said, this is all part of a massive push by white liberals and black supremacists to erase white history, one piece at a time. This is why you see them now claiming that the ancient Greeks were "African" which ALWAYS means they were black. They've already done this with the Egyptians, including Cleopatra, Carthaginians, especially Hannibal, Vikings, Britons, etc. etc. etc. And don't forget the 1619 project or even more fanciful claims such as those who say that all of those living in the Americas before European contact were "African" because people from sub-Saharan Africa sailed across the Atlantic and colonized the Americas, not people from Asia/Siberia.

They are rewriting history to say anyone from Africa throughout all of history is/was black, even though people who inhabited North Africa are not black and never were black. (Yes, there could have been some black people living there, but they would not have been a consequential percentage of the population.) Many were of Greek, Roman, and Phoenician descent and of course Egyptians. Later of course all of North Africa was conquered by the Muslims Arabs, and the populations overtime intermarried.

It is likely that Esteban was of mixed race descent, like most Moors, and was not black as in Sub-Saharan African black.

A very small percentage of colonists in the United States of America were slave-owners; most of them were Democrats.

Either way, it's idiotic to excuse a certain demographics lawlessness with this excuse from 150+ years ago. "Teen takeovers" and all of that nonsense. It's black people doing this 100% of the time, and Im tired of being lectured on how to fix it.

It's simply not my problem to fix. Maybe try having a dad who will kick your ass for acting like a ******. That might help things. Who knows? Certainly not anyone with skin in the game.
i'm sorry i dont laugh at the right times.
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7:17p, 5/30/26
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Not to worry. A "summer blockbuster" is on the way to teach us all that the Greek goddess of war was a skinny black chick from Oakland with a perma-pout, Helen of Troy was sub-Saharan, and Odysseus's crew was 30% rappers and ******s.
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As I was driving to dinner tonight, I noticed numerous Hispanic owned businesses along the way. The black community had a massive headstart and outside of an occasional soul food restaurant, they don't own and run **** in this country.

I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc. I've seen numerous Hispanic owned businesses in all those areas.

The young guy who came to fix my AC yesterday was Hispanic. If I ever see a black male fixing an AC, I'll probably die of shock.

The African continent hasn't done **** outside the time they were colonized and run by the Euros. We've gone from refusing to speak truth to flat out lying now
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In reply to Logos Stick • 7:26p, 5/30/26
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They've never done ***** The African continent hasn't done **** outside the time they were colonized and run by the Euros. We've gone from refusing to speak truth to flat out lying now

And yet many of them think that sub-Saharan Africa today looks like Wakanda.

Africa would have been better off with another 300-500 years of colonial rule. The rapid decolonization that followed WWII ensured it would remain a ****hole as they were centuries away from being able to govern themselves and have a productive society.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 7:38p, 5/30/26
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Imagine if LBJ's plantation did not keep them reliant on the man and allow the mafia to take advantage of their culture.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 7:42p, 5/30/26
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The black community had a massive headstart and outside of an occasional soul food restaurant, they don't own and run **** in this country.

I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc.

If I ever see a black male fixing an AC, I'll probably die of shock.

I hate DEI as much as the next guy, but this is fake news. If you've never encountered a black owned blue collar business it's because you haven't been outside a big city or on that side of the tracks.

I grew up in Tomball, and the tradesmen I encountered in the late 80s/early 90s were predominantly black small businesses guys…plumbers, concrete, general contractors, firewood, automotive, bbq.

I believe the main reason you see so many Hispanic tradesmen these days (and comparatively so few white and black) is the natural result of illegal immigration depressing wages. By the late 90s/early 2000s, every entry level tradecraft position in the south was occupied by an illegal working for cheap or off the books. It's tough for native born workers to compete with what the 3rd world is willing to accept as wages, driving out an entire generation of white and black tradesmen from the business. By the time wages rebounded, those entry level guys are now the managers and owners.
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7:45p, 5/30/26
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So an African helped destroy the beautiful, advanced civilizations of America?
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7:56p, 5/30/26
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I just got done reading a book about this called A Strange New Land. It's actually a great book and incredible story!
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 8:02p, 5/30/26
P.H. Dexippus said:
Logos Stick said:
The black community had a massive headstart and outside of an occasional soul food restaurant, they don't own and run **** in this country.

I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc.

If I ever see a black male fixing an AC, I'll probably die of shock.

I hate DEI as much as the next guy, but this is fake news. If you've never encountered a black owned blue collar business it's because you haven't been outside a big city or on that side of the tracks.

I grew up in Tomball, and the tradesmen I encountered in the late 80s/early 90s were predominantly black small businesses guys…plumbers, concrete, general contractors, firewood, automotive, bbq.

I believe the main reason you see so many Hispanic tradesmen these days (and comparatively so few white and black) is the natural result of illegal immigration depressing wages. By the late 90s/early 2000s, every entry level tradecraft position in the south was occupied by an illegal working for cheap or off the books. It's tough for native born workers to compete with what the 3rd world is willing to accept as wages, driving out an entire generation of white and black tradesmen from the business. By the time wages rebounded, those entry level guys are now the managers and owners.


Bull***** I grew up in a small east Texas Town with a large black population. White boys owned those businesses, not blacks. Now the Hispanics own them.

I've literally never encountered a black mechanic anywhere I've lived. Ever! Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are the Hispanics driving down those wages? Never seen a black AC repairman. Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are Hispanics driving down those wages? Never encountered a black plumber. Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are Hispanics driving down those wages. Never encountered a black electrician. Plenty of white boys still doing that work..Are Hispanics driving down those wages.

Just stop with the bull*****
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8:43p, 5/30/26
There is a black owned tree trimming business in Bryan.
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8:54p, 5/30/26
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I was on vacation a couple of years ago in Belgium and casually speaking with an older lady at the shop she owned while we were buying some gifts.

She noticed that we were American and asked me a question about crime in America.

I think I just kind of blew it off and said, "it depends where you live. Some places are worse than others.". Something to that effect, anyway.

She looks at me and says, "it's the blacks, isn't it?"

From a 75 year old woman in Bruges, Belgium, where I literally didn't see a single black person in 8 days.

Everyone on the planet knows. In every country on Earth where they have a measurable population, they commit the vast majority of violent crimes per capita and are always at the very bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.

I guess every country on earth is just holding them down, right?

The truth is right in front of everyone, people just don't want to admit it for whatever strange reason.
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10:09p, 5/30/26
6% (more like 2% when you only factor in the age range of 18-45) commit 60% (that get reported and not omitted) of violent crime in America. It's everyone else's fault though. All them astronauts and doctors keep getting arrested.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 10:37p, 5/30/26
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Logos Stick said:
P.H. Dexippus said:
Logos Stick said:
The black community had a massive headstart and outside of an occasional soul food restaurant, they don't own and run **** in this country.

I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc.

If I ever see a black male fixing an AC, I'll probably die of shock.

I hate DEI as much as the next guy, but this is fake news. If you've never encountered a black owned blue collar business it's because you haven't been outside a big city or on that side of the tracks.

I grew up in Tomball, and the tradesmen I encountered in the late 80s/early 90s were predominantly black small businesses guys…plumbers, concrete, general contractors, firewood, automotive, bbq.

I believe the main reason you see so many Hispanic tradesmen these days (and comparatively so few white and black) is the natural result of illegal immigration depressing wages. By the late 90s/early 2000s, every entry level tradecraft position in the south was occupied by an illegal working for cheap or off the books. It's tough for native born workers to compete with what the 3rd world is willing to accept as wages, driving out an entire generation of white and black tradesmen from the business. By the time wages rebounded, those entry level guys are now the managers and owners.


Bull***** I grew up in a small east Texas Town with a large black population. White boys owned those businesses, not blacks. Now the Hispanics own them.

I've literally never encountered a black mechanic anywhere I've lived. Ever! Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are the Hispanics driving down those wages? Never seen a black AC repairman. Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are Hispanics driving down those wages? Never encountered a black plumber. Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are Hispanics driving down those wages. Never encountered a black electrician. Plenty of white boys still doing that work..Are Hispanics driving down those wages.

Just stop with the bull*****

LOL. Sorry my anecdotes don't match up with yours. You're probably correct though, the guys I called two years ago for an American Standard quote weren't really black.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 12:01a, 5/31/26
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I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc. I've seen numerous Hispanic owned businesses in all those areas.

I'm a builder and I have a few black owned trades I use or have used. I've personally contracted with a black tree trimmer, commercial roofer, flooring guy and underground utility contractor. You can PM me if you want references. The flooring guy in particular is a wizard when it comes to wood floors.

You're right that about concrete guys, though. I only know of a couple white concrete guys in Bryan/College Station.
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 12:58a, 5/31/26
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P.H. Dexippus said:
Logos Stick said:
P.H. Dexippus said:
Logos Stick said:
The black community had a massive headstart and outside of an occasional soul food restaurant, they don't own and run **** in this country.

I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc.

If I ever see a black male fixing an AC, I'll probably die of shock.

I hate DEI as much as the next guy, but this is fake news. If you've never encountered a black owned blue collar business it's because you haven't been outside a big city or on that side of the tracks.

I grew up in Tomball, and the tradesmen I encountered in the late 80s/early 90s were predominantly black small businesses guys…plumbers, concrete, general contractors, firewood, automotive, bbq.

I believe the main reason you see so many Hispanic tradesmen these days (and comparatively so few white and black) is the natural result of illegal immigration depressing wages. By the late 90s/early 2000s, every entry level tradecraft position in the south was occupied by an illegal working for cheap or off the books. It's tough for native born workers to compete with what the 3rd world is willing to accept as wages, driving out an entire generation of white and black tradesmen from the business. By the time wages rebounded, those entry level guys are now the managers and owners.


Bull***** I grew up in a small east Texas Town with a large black population. White boys owned those businesses, not blacks. Now the Hispanics own them.

I've literally never encountered a black mechanic anywhere I've lived. Ever! Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are the Hispanics driving down those wages? Never seen a black AC repairman. Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are Hispanics driving down those wages? Never encountered a black plumber. Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are Hispanics driving down those wages. Never encountered a black electrician. Plenty of white boys still doing that work..Are Hispanics driving down those wages.

Just stop with the bull*****

LOL. Sorry my anecdotes don't match up with yours. You're probably correct though, the guys I called two years ago for an American Standard quote weren't really black.

I know bull**** when I see it!
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In reply to Logos Stick • 6:18a, 5/31/26
Logos Stick said:
P.H. Dexippus said:
Logos Stick said:
The black community had a massive headstart and outside of an occasional soul food restaurant, they don't own and run **** in this country.

I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc.

If I ever see a black male fixing an AC, I'll probably die of shock.

I hate DEI as much as the next guy, but this is fake news. If you've never encountered a black owned blue collar business it's because you haven't been outside a big city or on that side of the tracks.

I grew up in Tomball, and the tradesmen I encountered in the late 80s/early 90s were predominantly black small businesses guys…plumbers, concrete, general contractors, firewood, automotive, bbq.

I believe the main reason you see so many Hispanic tradesmen these days (and comparatively so few white and black) is the natural result of illegal immigration depressing wages. By the late 90s/early 2000s, every entry level tradecraft position in the south was occupied by an illegal working for cheap or off the books. It's tough for native born workers to compete with what the 3rd world is willing to accept as wages, driving out an entire generation of white and black tradesmen from the business. By the time wages rebounded, those entry level guys are now the managers and owners.


Bull***** I grew up in a small east Texas Town with a large black population. White boys owned those businesses, not blacks. Now the Hispanics own them.

I've literally never encountered a black mechanic anywhere I've lived. Ever! Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are the Hispanics driving down those wages? Never seen a black AC repairman. Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are Hispanics driving down those wages? Never encountered a black plumber. Plenty of white boys still doing that work. Are Hispanics driving down those wages. Never encountered a black electrician. Plenty of white boys still doing that work..Are Hispanics driving down those wages.

Just stop with the bull*****

Back in the '81 I was working for a pizza place in College Station. We had severe issues with a couple of ovens. Couldn't find anyone who could fix them. Owner got pissed, chewed out manager who then dumped the project on me. I found James Bird Appliance Repair in Bryan who fixed them. He had his 7 year old son with him while he worked.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 6:32a, 5/31/26
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Logos Stick said:
As I was driving to dinner tonight, I noticed numerous Hispanic owned businesses along the way. The black community had a massive headstart and outside of an occasional soul food restaurant, they don't own and run **** in this country.

I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc. I've seen numerous Hispanic owned businesses in all those areas.

The young guy who came to fix my AC yesterday was Hispanic. If I ever see a black male fixing an AC, I'll probably die of shock.

They've never done ***** The African continent hasn't done **** outside the time they were colonized and run by the Euros. We've gone from refusing to speak truth to flat out lying now

Well, there was a very successful restaurant in Houston- The Turkey Leg Hut.

And Beaumont had some very successful black owned contractors doing lots of work for Beaumont ISD until the Feds brought the indictments and convictions…

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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 7:38a, 5/31/26
Ok, you found a unicorn. Good for you. You said the tradesmen in the 80s/90s were predominately black men in Tomball. A town that is like 7% black. That means a town with 3.5% black males.

Tradesman have never been predominantly black anywhere in the US.

That's simply a fact. Still aren't. They are nowhere near 6% of all tradesmen, which is their percentage of the population. Perhaps 0.006%?!?!

I've lived in East Texas, College Station and DFW. I guess all the phone numbers I'm dialing for services are being routed through the KKK because I've never encountered a single black male doing anything I've needed done in my entire existence.

Here is a partial list of my interactions:

Tires - white/Hispanic
Muffler work - white
General auto work - white/ Hispanic
Tinting - white
Stereo installation - white
Transmission repair - white
Brakes - white/Hispanic
Shocks and struts - white/Hispanic
Windshield replacement - white/ Hispanic
Body work - white/Hispanic
Truck accessory work - white/Hispanic

Appliance repair - white
Roofing - white/ Hispanic
Concrete - Hispanic
Lawn care - Hispanic
Tree trimming - Hispanic/white
Carpet installation - white
Wood floor and tile installation - Hispanic
Chimney cleaning - white
Chimney brick repair - white
Exterminator - white
Garage door repair - white
AC repair - white/Hispanic
Sprinkler repair - white/Hispanic
Cable install - white/Hispanic
Fence installation - white
Electrician - white
Gutter installation - white
Plumbing - white
Cleaning services - Hispanic female
Boat repair - white
Rod and reel repair - white
Gun repair - white
General carpentry - white
Painting - white
Cabinet maker - white

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On March 21, 1539, the Niza expedition arrived at the Ro Mayo in present-day Sonora. There, Estevanico, apparently restless over the slow progress of the friar and his large party, was sent ahead as an advance scout. Separated by several days' travel from the friar and his entourage, Estevanico approached the Zuni pueblo of Hawikuh in western New Mexico where he was killed by numerous arrows fired into his body. Upon reaching Hawikuh one year later in 1540, reported to the viceroy that "Estevanico's death could be blamed on his cruelties and assaults on Indian women."


Did the BBC report Estovanico (Esteban) fate?

https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/estevanico
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In reply to MD1993 • 8:42a, 5/31/26
The left are ****ing relentless in their assault on our culture in every way imaginable.
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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.

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The truth is right in front of everyone, people just don't want to admit it for whatever strange reason.


Americans have been programmed through education system, media, entertainment, etc… that questioning this behavior is racist. I noticed it in myself first. Making excuses for no reason instead of processing what I was seeing with my own eyes. It's pretty scary how effective those programs were over the years.
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 9:30p, 5/31/26
P.H. Dexippus said:
Logos Stick said:
The black community had a massive headstart and outside of an occasional soul food restaurant, they don't own and run **** in this country.

I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc.

If I ever see a black male fixing an AC, I'll probably die of shock.

I hate DEI as much as the next guy, but this is fake news. If you've never encountered a black owned blue collar business it's because you haven't been outside a big city or on that side of the tracks.

I grew up in Tomball, and the tradesmen I encountered in the late 80s/early 90s were predominantly black small businesses guys…plumbers, concrete, general contractors, firewood, automotive, bbq.

I believe the main reason you see so many Hispanic tradesmen these days (and comparatively so few white and black) is the natural result of illegal immigration depressing wages. By the late 90s/early 2000s, every entry level tradecraft position in the south was occupied by an illegal working for cheap or off the books. It's tough for native born workers to compete with what the 3rd world is willing to accept as wages, driving out an entire generation of white and black tradesmen from the business. By the time wages rebounded, those entry level guys are now the managers and owners.

My experience mirrors Logo Stick's. Never have seen a single black owned blue collar business. One black friend of mine owned an RV park and a gal I never met owned a small restaurant (seats 20 something people). Not sure if those are blue collar or what. In over 30 years owning a CPA practice in a town of around 8,000 with a similarly sized town 6 miles away, and many smaller ones in our area, I never had a single black owned business involved the trades you mentioned as a client, probably because none existed existed in our communities that I am awae of. Many dozens of hispanic ones though.

A couple of years ago, someone put in one of those high dollar car wash things you drive through. Took quite a while to get it built. I drove past it almost every day two or more times. Every single person I saw was hispanic, long sleeve shirts (looked like terrible material to be wearing in the summer heat, most had hoodies, big floppy hats. We built a house about 18 months ago, every trade (framing, electrical, plumbing, HVAC, etc.) were hispanic laborers and the names on the vehicles and paperwork were all hispanic. I suppose they could have been black with hispanic names, but I doubt it. White people and black people just won't do that kind of work.
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We need to keep putting DIE in the rearview mirror.

Then it would simply read "3ID".

Top shelf Dad joke here.

Very well done.
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Africa invented AI.

One of my favorite things about AI is how easy it is now to make AI videos making fun of stupid ideas like this.

There has been no greater gift to humanity since Prometheus than the gift of AI to weaponized autism.
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As I was driving to dinner tonight, I noticed numerous Hispanic owned businesses along the way. The black community had a massive headstart and outside of an occasional soul food restaurant, they don't own and run **** in this country.

I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc. I've seen numerous Hispanic owned businesses in all those areas.

The young guy who came to fix my AC yesterday was Hispanic. If I ever see a black male fixing an AC, I'll probably die of shock.

They've never done ***** The African continent hasn't done **** outside the time they were colonized and run by the Euros. We've gone from refusing to speak truth to flat out lying now

I want to give a shout out to my friend Dejuan HVAC at Anointed HVAC that services NW Houston. In high school, I worked for a company that sold AC units to AC service companies in Houston. About 1/3rd of the techs picking up units and putting them in the back of their service pick-up trucks were black.

I also mourn the loss of the awesome BBQ stand that used to sell affordable BBQ out of a trailer in the Ace's parking lot in Cypress, and who would give you a free Iced T if you told him you were carrying a gun. Luckily Gatlin Brothers is still a great place to go in the Garden Oaks area, I recommend the pork ribs and dirty rice.

I worked in SBA lending in Houston straight out of college in the early aughts, and 75% of the loans that we financed were to black men or black women business owners. We had the occasional Hispanic or white woman borrower, but mostly black. A bunch of them had been in business for years but needed capital to recover from Hurricane Andrew, which was devastating to a part of the city that was mostly black, so it made sense that the successful black business owners from that area needed extra capital.

The post above is racist bull***** We have a problem with violent crime in young black men in America, but you don't need to mix that up with the contributions to the economy by good people. The idea that our economy has no hard-working black men or black entrepreneurs is an opinion that is formed out of ignorance and prejudice.

Shame.
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The black community had a massive headstart and outside of an occasional soul food restaurant, they don't own and run **** in this country.

I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc.

If I ever see a black male fixing an AC, I'll probably die of shock.

I hate DEI as much as the next guy, but this is fake news. If you've never encountered a black owned blue collar business it's because you haven't been outside a big city or on that side of the tracks.

I grew up in Tomball, and the tradesmen I encountered in the late 80s/early 90s were predominantly black small businesses guys…plumbers, concrete, general contractors, firewood, automotive, bbq.

I believe the main reason you see so many Hispanic tradesmen these days (and comparatively so few white and black) is the natural result of illegal immigration depressing wages. By the late 90s/early 2000s, every entry level tradecraft position in the south was occupied by an illegal working for cheap or off the books. It's tough for native born workers to compete with what the 3rd world is willing to accept as wages, driving out an entire generation of white and black tradesmen from the business. By the time wages rebounded, those entry level guys are now the managers and owners.

My experience mirrors Logo Stick's. Never have seen a single black owned blue collar business. One black friend of mine owned an RV park and a gal I never met owned a small restaurant (seats 20 something people). Not sure if those are blue collar or what. In over 30 years owning a CPA practice in a town of around 8,000 with a similarly sized town 6 miles away, and many smaller ones in our area, I never had a single black owned business involved the trades you mentioned as a client, probably because none existed existed in our communities that I am awae of. Many dozens of hispanic ones though.

A couple of years ago, someone put in one of those high dollar car wash things you drive through. Took quite a while to get it built. I drove past it almost every day two or more times. Every single person I saw was hispanic, long sleeve shirts (looked like terrible material to be wearing in the summer heat, most had hoodies, big floppy hats. We built a house about 18 months ago, every trade (framing, electrical, plumbing, HVAC, etc.) were hispanic laborers and the names on the vehicles and paperwork were all hispanic. I suppose they could have been black with hispanic names, but I doubt it. White people and black people just won't do that kind of work.


Ditto. Same as you. My one anecdotal exception which wife and I still marvel at...we lived on the Texas coast for last couple of years and a house across the canal from us had a fat black woman in a maintenance crew they used for their house. She would paint and make repairs. We watched in terrified fascination when she would ascend ladders to paint hoping the ladder would not collapse.

Just such an odd outlier.
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As I was driving to dinner tonight, I noticed numerous Hispanic owned businesses along the way. The black community had a massive headstart and outside of an occasional soul food restaurant, they don't own and run **** in this country.

I've never seen a black owned tree trimming biz, concrete biz, roofing biz, framing biz, flooring biz, etc. I've seen numerous Hispanic owned businesses in all those areas.

The young guy who came to fix my AC yesterday was Hispanic. If I ever see a black male fixing an AC, I'll probably die of shock.

They've never done ***** The African continent hasn't done **** outside the time they were colonized and run by the Euros. We've gone from refusing to speak truth to flat out lying now

I want to give a shout out to my friend Dejuan HVAC at Anointed HVAC that services NW Houston. In high school, I worked for a company that sold AC units to AC service companies in Houston. About 1/3rd of the techs picking up units and putting them in the back of their service pick-up trucks were black.

I also mourn the loss of the awesome BBQ stand that used to sell affordable BBQ out of a trailer in the Ace's parking lot in Cypress, and who would give you a free Iced T if you told him you were carrying a gun. Luckily Gatlin Brothers is still a great place to go in the Garden Oaks area, I recommend the pork ribs and dirty rice.

I worked in SBA lending in Houston straight out of college in the early aughts, and 75% of the loans that we financed were to black men or black women business owners. We had the occasional Hispanic or white woman borrower, but mostly black. A bunch of them had been in business for years but needed capital to recover from Hurricane Andrew, which was devastating to a part of the city that was mostly black, so it made sense that the successful black business owners from that area needed extra capital.

The post above is racist bull***** We have a problem with violent crime in young black men in America, but you don't need to mix that up with the contributions to the economy by good people. The idea that our economy has no hard-working black men or black entrepreneurs is an opinion that is formed out of ignorance and prejudice.

Shame.



LOL. Of course there are lots of small business loans given to blacks. They give them out like candy. They get favored treatment. Many are a front for businesses that are actually run by non-black people. No different than white males making their wives the owner of their biz so they can get easy SBA loans. Females also get preferential treatment too. You worked for the SBA and seem to be oblivious to that.

There is nothing racist about facts. My post is true. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. You posting up a couple of personal anecdotes as evidence to the contrary is weak. We were also talking about tradesmen, not restaurants, yet you throw in a BBQ joint in your anecdotes.. I acknowledged that I've seen a black owned restaurants. Your position is a huge part of the problem. You refuse to acknowledge the truth. So here we are now, revising history.

And you post this "we have a problem with violent crime in young black men in America" and characterize my post of being racist?! SMH.

Shame.
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Africa invented AI.

One of my favorite things about AI is how easy it is now to make AI videos making fun of stupid ideas like this.

There has been no greater gift to humanity since Prometheus than the gift of AI to weaponized autism.


This is hilarious. You actually seem to believe in the Wakanda bull**** revisionist history about Africa and Africans' contribution to science and human progress. I make a comment that I would expect you to blue star since you believe it's not a joke! Instead, you denigrate it.
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