The meta-meme that is taking root

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7:26a
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This is a good discussion of the "Left will never recover from this" meme that has become so popular. The essayist points out that it is focused directly on the deconstructionist and permanent revolutionary stance the left takes. Wrapped up in this is the idea that beauty, and nature and normalcy is found on the right. This is because the left is all about distortion, dominance and power structures. It is vocalizing what many intuit but have not been able to put words to yet. The Left is the power they claim to fight. They are the ones that are crapping all over everything while trying to claim they are fighting the ones doing it. Pretty insightful. It makes me wonder how many people actually catch it.
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7:39a
THIS is a disaster for the Left.
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7:42a
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I saw Nick Freitas' analysis of this video which was excellent. At first I found the memes puzzling and random, but the more they talked about it the more they made sense. The left requires that you to feel dejected/despondent for their ideology to take hold. They want you to see ugliness in everything. The meme is a direct counter to their negativity.

Edit: I'll add a specific point that I forgot until I rewatched some which is the right doesn't fight the left as vigorously if it's demoralized.
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watching that now. very good
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7:50a
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There are no victims in images like the ones discussed in the video. Without victims, the left has no base.

Aside: I stopped the video to read the screenshot excerpt from the James Bond book. I wonder what Ian Fleming would have thought if he read that.
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7:51a
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It makes perfect sense. The left is selling victimhood. You're a victim of someone else's misdeeds and not your own poor life choices, and we're gonna get you what's yours.

Contrast that with "Look, here's a kitty!".
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In reply to 96AgGrad • 7:54a
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96AgGrad said:
I saw Nick Freitas' analysis of this video which was excellent. At first I found the memes puzzling and random, but the more they talked about it the more they made sense. The left requires that you to feel dejected/despondent for their ideology to take hold. They want you to see ugliness in everything. The meme is a direct counter to their negativity.



Does it talk about the promotion of white guilt that got Obama elected?
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Nick's video did not.
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To a degree, people are born predisposed to be sympathetic to leftism or conservatism. A lot of personality traits are partially heritable through to be sure some is sex related and some is socialized or conditioned. Read up a bit on the big 5 personality traits and the correlated values systems. Those on the left highly value the perception of caring and fairness and have less regard for other values elements like duty or respect for sacredness, for example. The left has a low disgust reaction while conservatives have a higher reaction and value boundaries and orderliness higher.


It is the priority given to these values sets where they conflict that separates right from left. The right actually has a wider and more relatively balanced values set while the left has a narrow but more extreme focus on caring and fairness. The right tends to understand the left more than the left can understand the right due to this.

The left is always yearning for an idealistic human utopia and jumps at radical "new" ideology promising to bring this about while the right understands the limitations of the real world and tends to accept the good and bad and is more content with enduring the imperfections of existence. This tends to make the left perpetually more bitter, resentful, and then envious and nihilistic. Some throw their efforts into attempting Utopianism and are perpetually frustrated by falling short, while others stew in a resentful nihilism and rage at the limitations they believe fate has dealt to some over others.


Keep in mind these are spectrums and distributions and are experienced by individuals with varying degrees of moderation or extremes. Some people are very powerfully and compulsively affected by their personality traits while others are more moderate
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the right understands the limitations of the real world and tends to accept the good and bad and is more content with enduring the imperfections of existence.


This closely aligns with stoicism. When I ran across the philosophy of stoicism again (post academic early life) after reading Adm James Stockdale's Vietnam POW account, I was blown away at his resolve and resilience which he wholly attributes to practicing stoicism. It really clicked with me because i realized I have largely lived my wife that way was as well.

And I am in no way comparing myself to Stockdale or his level of badassery. I lose my absolute **** over the smallest of things at times which is as anti-stoic as you can get, but in my larger life I very much identify with it and try to live my life that way. It just feels the correct way to go and be and is natural to me.
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 8:51a
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MouthBQ98 said:
To a degree, people are born predisposed to be sympathetic to leftism or conservatism. A lot of personality traits are partially heritable through to be sure some is sex related and some is socialized or conditioned. Read up a bit on the big 5 personality traits and the correlated values systems. Those on the left highly value the perception of caring and fairness and have less regard for other values elements like duty or respect for sacredness, for example. The left has a low disgust reaction while conservatives have a higher reaction and value boundaries and orderliness higher.


It is the priority given to these values sets where they conflict that separates right from left. The right actually has a wider and more relatively balanced values set while the left has a narrow but more extreme focus on caring and fairness. The right tends to understand the left more than the left can understand the right due to this.

The left is always yearning for an idealistic human utopia and jumps at radical "new" ideology promising to bring this about while the right understands the limitations of the real world and tends to accept the good and bad and is more content with enduring the imperfections of existence. This tends to make the left perpetually more bitter, resentful, and then envious and nihilistic. Some throw their efforts into attempting Utopianism and are perpetually frustrated by falling short, while others stew in a resentful nihilism and rage at the limitations they believe fate has dealt to some over others.


Keep in mind these are spectrums and distributions and are experienced by individuals with varying degrees of moderation or extremes. Some people are very powerfully and compulsively affected by their personality traits while others are more moderate

1) Some people argue that right and left are constructs of culture. Check out Conversations with Coleman with H&V Lewis. I don't agree with everything that Lewis' have to say, but it is an interesting conversation.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-myth-of-left-and-right-with-hyrum-lewis-and-verlan-lewis/id1716338488?i=1000634629144

2) For more reading on this topic, I recommend A Conflict of Visions by Sowell, which is a must read for anyone that has an interest in politics, even if you disagree with Sowell.
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8:52a
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Seconding BusterAg's recommendation of Thomas Sowell's excellent "Conflict of Visions" for more on what drives the idealogical split between the Left (Unconstrained, "we can make humans perfect") and Right (Constrained, "making humans perfect is tyranny".) Outstanding read.
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In reply to G Martin 87 • 8:58a
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G Martin 87 said:
Recommending Thomas Sowell's excellent "Conflict of Visions" for more on what drives the idealogical split between the Left (Unconstrained, "we can make humans perfect") and Right (Constrained, "making humans perfect is tyranny".) Outstanding read.


I'm adding this to my queue. Notable that he uses unconstrained / constrained terminology regarding humanity.

It's also directly in line with the Left's belief in socialism / communism which requires unconstrained (infinite) resources to actually work and why it does not ultimately work because here in the real world resources are constrained. It's the foundational reality of Economics which the Left thinks doesn't apply to them.
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9:02a
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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9:06a
Liberal progressives/the left are just narcissists, who interpret anything contrary to what they want as a personal attack.

They will destroy, damage, hurt, anything they don't understand, while claiming everyone else is "the bad guy".

It's borderline hilarious to hear them talk about empathy, or compassion while abusing other people who are busy working hard for their families, as opposed to the left who only works for themselves, and can only coalesce around an unrighteous shared hatred for good people. They'll end up living a life filled with anxiety/depression, and dying a lonely death because they can't control their rage.

Because of the wounds they spent so many years opening up in their children, their relationships, and in other elements of society, they won't find mercy when they look for it; and all the smug attitudes they have will end up being snuffed out when their behavior finally comes back to haunt them.
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9:07a
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This is the most interesting thing I've found on TAs for a long time that I would not have discovered on my own.

Edit: And Nick Freitas just said as much in his opening
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every once in a while you you'll see somebody that you know that will explain a particular phenomenon so wonderfully, so concisely that you can't help but think, man, I I wish I would have thought of that first, right?

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9:15a
Simply pointing out the moments where evil cannot exist.

Left cannot recover from Matthew 18:20
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."
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9:28a
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This is dumb.
To paraphrase H. L. Mencken, social media has yet to go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
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9:34a
Oh no, a youtuber with an anime PFP made a video. How will the left ever recover?
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In reply to YouBet • 9:35a
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YouBet said:
G Martin 87 said:
Recommending Thomas Sowell's excellent "Conflict of Visions" for more on what drives the idealogical split between the Left (Unconstrained, "we can make humans perfect") and Right (Constrained, "making humans perfect is tyranny".) Outstanding read.


I'm adding this to my queue. Notable that he uses unconstrained / constrained terminology regarding humanity.

It's also directly in line with the Left's belief in socialism / communism which requires unconstrained (infinite) resources to actually work and why it does not ultimately work because here in the real world resources are constrained. It's the foundational reality of Economics which the Left thinks doesn't apply to them.
My second favorite Sowell quote is "The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics."

(My favorite Sowell quote is "If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.")
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you can obviously see those that are not interacting with the substance of the video. pretty telling.
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AgBQ-00 said:
you can obviously see those that are not interacting with the substance of the video. pretty telling.

The unthinking dismissiveness is quite interesting given Spencer Pratt's, thus far, successful mayoral campaign in deep blue LA has been one giant meme of the Left's ugliness.
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YouBet said:
G Martin 87 said:
Recommending Thomas Sowell's excellent "Conflict of Visions" for more on what drives the idealogical split between the Left (Unconstrained, "we can make humans perfect") and Right (Constrained, "making humans perfect is tyranny".) Outstanding read.


I'm adding this to my queue. Notable that he uses unconstrained / constrained terminology regarding humanity.

It's also directly in line with the Left's belief in socialism / communism which requires unconstrained (infinite) resources to actually work and why it does not ultimately work because here in the real world resources are constrained. It's the foundational reality of Economics which the Left thinks doesn't apply to them.



Communism can work with finite resources, but it requires 100% obedience to the ideology and compliance with the directives of the politburo. It leaves no allowance for individualism or economic choice.

In other words, equality for all. Equal suffering, but fair because there is no incentive or even ability to excel.
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Let's be real. These "Memes are DESTROYING the Left" vids are ways for right-leaning content creators to boost their egos along with monetization.

Without some sort of show-of-force confrontation driven by real world stimuli between the right and left, nothing will happen.

Hundreds of thousands (millions?) of viewers of some right-leaning cope will not destroy the left.
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In reply to Mega Lops • 9:54a
wow, your "unthinking dismissiveness" has been noticed...
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AgBQ-00 said:
you can obviously see those that are not interacting with the substance of the video. pretty telling.

The argument being made is a construction he made up. Some of us are old enough to remember when the "right" (whatever the **** that means anymore), systemically corrupted expression, attempted to steer art into a construct determined by a few and pressed to narrow the definitions of beauty, happiness, and liberty. Now the "left" has fallen into the same trap of dumbness, attempting to control narrative for its political power gains.
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twelve12twelve said:
wow, your "unthinking dismissiveness" has been noticed...

That's kind of the goal when you publicly post something

Or did you not think of that?
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AgBQ-00 said:
you can obviously see those that are not interacting with the substance of the video. pretty telling.

Their response is to deny, deflect, and destroy.

Same song, different verse.
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and when was that exactly? it has always been the left that has fantasized and fought for the destruction of normalcy. this has led into all aspects...their "conservation" efforts in nature are anti-human vs actually conserving nature. the push for the destruction of resource usage i.e. oil and other natural resources is also in that category. the whole drive of the ideology is anti-human in wanting to control every decision from a governmental top down to create their "utopia". The whole ideology is built on rejecting normal human nature that leads them to actually push for the destruction of humans.

Why do you think the before and after liberal mind virus pictures was such a touchstone for a couple of years? Why do you think the violence and filth found in dark blue areas is waking people up? Why do you think the response to and delay in helping those hurt by fires and hurricanes and other natural disasters lands so easily? They are even trying to demonize individuals that go and help giving of their time and resources to step in where the government would not.
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Because of the wounds they spent so many years opening up in their children, their relationships, and in other elements of society, they won't find mercy when they look for it; and all the smug attitudes they have will end up being snuffed out when their behavior finally comes back to haunt them.


I know it's anecdotal but in running this thought exercise I am coming up blank on any liberals I know in my relative age bracket that are happy, fulfilled, and well adjusted people. Granted, I don't associate with many liberals. I have nothing in common with modern liberals and in some cases we are simply, completely, incompatible.
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In reply to AGinHI • 10:18a
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twelve12twelve said:
wow, your "unthinking dismissiveness" has been noticed...

That's kind of the goal when you publicly post something

Or did you not think of that?

Derp, can't read, only went to Texas A&M
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AgBQ-00 said:
and when was that exactly? it has always been the left that has fantasized and fought for the destruction of normalcy. this has led into all aspects...their "conservation" efforts in nature are anti-human vs actually conserving nature. the push for the destruction of resource usage i.e. oil and other natural resources is also in that category. the whole drive of the ideology is anti-human in wanting to control every decision from a governmental top down to create their "utopia". The whole ideology is built on rejecting normal human nature that leads them to actually push for the destruction of humans.

Why do you think the before and after liberal mind virus pictures was such a touchstone for a couple of years? Why do you think the violence and filth found in dark blue areas is waking people up? Why do you think the response to and delay in helping those hurt by fires and hurricanes and other natural disasters lands so easily? They are even trying to demonize individuals that go and help giving of their time and resources to step in where the government would not.

The 80s and 90s. We heard the same dumb rhetoric from the religious right. Always negative with policy proscriptions contrary to freedom and to human nature. And before that, in the 70s and 60s, you saw simlar BS from the hippie left. This **** ebbs and flows.

Using the human desire to create "utopia" as a political pitch and a means of accumulating power has been occurring for centuries. It's cute that people think a meme is rebellion against that power grab.
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In reply to AgBQ-00 • 10:57a
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What's going to blow your mind is when you realize that, economically speaking, MAGA is closer to the 60s and 70s era Democrats (read: commies) than the 80s or 00s era Republicans.
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In reply to Burdizzo • 10:59a
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Yes. It requires the completely selfless and purely altruistic "new man" which was supposed to have been brought about by social conditioning and indoctrination over time but which we now know to be an impossibility. We evolve. We are deeply ingrained with instinctive and innate emotions and behaviors. We don't just change mode of operation due to our environment and circumstances. Communism fails right out of the gate at large scale by default because of this, yet the delusional dreamers and megalomaniacal exploiters keep on trying.
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MouthBQ98 said:
Communism fails right out of the gate at large scale by default because of this, yet the delusional dreamers and megalomaniacal exploiters keep on trying.

'Out of the gate' can still be a long time in human life terms.
In the US, Social Security, Medicare, and our entitlement state have yet to fail. It's getting closer to failure, but the "megalomaniacal exploiters" collecting benefits are larger in population, wealth, and political power than other coalitions.
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