"Learn to code" is now "learn to provide healthcare"

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Logos Stick
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It seems AI is moving folks to HC, which is not safe either imo.

All the jobs deemed safe will now have a glut of supply. When you have more supply than demand, salaries will fall.


"Goldman Sachs analysis confirms the trend, showing enrollment growth in majors with low AI displacement risk and strong job growth, such as healthcare, while computer science grads face elevated unemployment and declining entry-level opportunities."


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the smart ones will get some business classes under their belts and go into the trades.
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Ironically, healthcare is the single biggest market sector I hope to see AI/robotics replace. Not unlike self driving cars, the machines are going to do it better.

I look forward to my robodoc/nurse at a fraction of the cost. This is ultimately the end game for healthcare.

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Learn a trade!
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Half my team of 12 just got laid off. I made it out of the recompete with a downlevel and pay cut.

Data analysts, developers and coder folks beware. It's going to get very very ugly. Learn to plumb.
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Sorry to hear that man. Best of luck to and your family going forward.
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Logos Stick said:

It seems AI is moving folks to HC, which is not safe either imo.

All the jobs deemed safe will now have a glut of supply. When you have more supply than demand, salaries will fall.


"Goldman Sachs analysis confirms the trend, showing enrollment growth in majors with low AI displacement risk and strong job growth, such as healthcare, while computer science grads face elevated unemployment and declining entry-level opportunities."





Umm...this has been the case for decades with a majority of college "educated" graduates. Instead of kids going to fight over healthcare jobs, maybe cut all the other garbage and take on useful careers that don't require 200k in debt while also being unemployable.
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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

Logos Stick said:

It seems AI is moving folks to HC, which is not safe either imo.

All the jobs deemed safe will now have a glut of supply. When you have more supply than demand, salaries will fall.


"Goldman Sachs analysis confirms the trend, showing enrollment growth in majors with low AI displacement risk and strong job growth, such as healthcare, while computer science grads face elevated unemployment and declining entry-level opportunities."





Umm...this has been the case for decades with a majority of college "educated" graduates. Instead of kids going to fight over healthcare jobs, maybe cut all the other garbage and take on useful careers that don't require 200k in debt while also being unemployable.

Sir, those underwater baskets will not weave themselves!
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Urban Ag said:

Ironically, healthcare is the single biggest market sector I hope to see AI/robotics replace. Not unlike self driving cars, the machines are going to do it better.

I look forward to my robodoc/nurse at a fraction of the cost. This is ultimately the end game for healthcare.




This. Many healthcare providers diagnose by typing things into their computer to get info, which spit out data for them to use. AI would do a majority of healthcare roles more efficiently. Also factoring in that most PCPs literally do nothing, and often don't even touch patients, it's not a role that would be difficult to replace. ER, surgeons, nursing, etc where doctors actually physically do things while also being knowledgable, those are the jobs that will remain stable for a long time. PCP is pretty much useless and any monkey can do it. Speaking from someone from the inside, in case anyone questions.

PCP is one of the best bang for buck professions there is. Little thought required to get a big paycheck. Yep, bring on AI and maybe ill actually get decent care for the ridiculous money we spend for the first time since ACA.
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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

Urban Ag said:

Ironically, healthcare is the single biggest market sector I hope to see AI/robotics replace. Not unlike self driving cars, the machines are going to do it better.

I look forward to my robodoc/nurse at a fraction of the cost. This is ultimately the end game for healthcare.




This. Many healthcare providers diagnose by typing things into their computer to get info, which spit out data for them to use. AI would do a majority of healthcare roles more efficiently. Also factoring in that most PCPs literally do nothing, and often don't even touch patients, it's not a role that would be difficult to replace. ER, surgeons, nursing, etc where doctors actually physically do things while also being knowledgable, those are the jobs that will remain stable for a long time. PCP is pretty much useless and any monkey can do it. Speaking from someone from the inside, in case anyone questions.

PCP is one of the best bang for buck professions there is. Little thought required to get a big paycheck. Yep, bring on AI and maybe ill actually get decent care for the ridiculous money we spend for the first time since ACA.

My daughter with a four year degree and all the science prerequisites is trying to get into school for Echocardiogram. It is incredibly competitive and has very small classes. She applied at the Baylor Heart hospital but was not selected with a 4 year 3.8 avg and a 4.0 average for the science prerequisites… she is continuing to take more health related classes and hoping to apply to different programs with different start dates but most only take about 10 and have hundreds of applicants.
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I am a paramedic and would follow this career path if i was not four years away from retiring.


https://www.anesthetist.org/become-a-caa
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Also a decent amount of fraud. Spoke to PCP's that brag about knowing which questions to ask to get the appointment coded as a higher level visit. One or two questions significantly increases the PCPs pay.

As for AI in healthcare, I'm very concerned about the language models AI will use to train. Not all published studies are good studies with good conclusions. A lot of crap out there that I'm afraid AI will take at face value.
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Job security.
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Stringfellow Hawke said:

I am a paramedic and would follow this career path if i was not four years away from retiring.


https://www.anesthetist.org/become-a-caa


Our son just took the MCAT last week and have talked to him about this as his back up plan.
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AgBQ-00 said:

the smart ones will get some business classes under their belts and go into the trades.


"Go into the trades" will not last much longer. Yes, it is very valuable to have a trade to fallback on and to be able to do a lot of your own home repairs….the underlying economy has to be there to support all of the construction needed to employ a billion plumbers.

Those claiming healthcare wages will fall due to oversupply….the same principle will apply to the huge growth in trade programs over the last few years.

Not sure what the answer is to the ai takeover.
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Let's bring back piracy and Viking raids.

Europe is vulnerable right now. Plus the Scandinavian countries probably deserve some payback

My raiding party will focus on women and legos.

Who is with me?
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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

Urban Ag said:

Ironically, healthcare is the single biggest market sector I hope to see AI/robotics replace. Not unlike self driving cars, the machines are going to do it better.

I look forward to my robodoc/nurse at a fraction of the cost. This is ultimately the end game for healthcare.




This. Many healthcare providers diagnose by typing things into their computer to get info, which spit out data for them to use. AI would do a majority of healthcare roles more efficiently. Also factoring in that most PCPs literally do nothing, and often don't even touch patients, it's not a role that would be difficult to replace. ER, surgeons, nursing, etc where doctors actually physically do things while also being knowledgable, those are the jobs that will remain stable for a long time. PCP is pretty much useless and any monkey can do it. Speaking from someone from the inside, in case anyone questions.

PCP is one of the best bang for buck professions there is. Little thought required to get a big paycheck. Yep, bring on AI and maybe ill actually get decent care for the ridiculous money we spend for the first time since ACA.


Agree 100%. Physicians and especially mid level providers essentially are working from a script that matches symptoms to treatments, referrals, or tests. AI can do this flawlessly with up to date, accurate, information.
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I think what says many health care workers (at least for now) from AI is the "human touch" aspect. The vast majority of people still want to interface with a human being when talking about many things, especially their health.

So the closer you are to hands on treating patients, the longer you likely stay safe from AI takeover.

As time goes by, when the current young become middle aged, AI and robots will be so common that no one will care about human interaction anymore.

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SquirrellyDan said:

Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

Urban Ag said:

Ironically, healthcare is the single biggest market sector I hope to see AI/robotics replace. Not unlike self driving cars, the machines are going to do it better.

I look forward to my robodoc/nurse at a fraction of the cost. This is ultimately the end game for healthcare.




This. Many healthcare providers diagnose by typing things into their computer to get info, which spit out data for them to use. AI would do a majority of healthcare roles more efficiently. Also factoring in that most PCPs literally do nothing, and often don't even touch patients, it's not a role that would be difficult to replace. ER, surgeons, nursing, etc where doctors actually physically do things while also being knowledgable, those are the jobs that will remain stable for a long time. PCP is pretty much useless and any monkey can do it. Speaking from someone from the inside, in case anyone questions.

PCP is one of the best bang for buck professions there is. Little thought required to get a big paycheck. Yep, bring on AI and maybe ill actually get decent care for the ridiculous money we spend for the first time since ACA.


Agree 100%. Physicians and especially mid level providers essentially are working from a script that matches symptoms to treatments, referrals, or tests. AI can do this flawlessly with up to date, accurate, information.

You need healthcare providers in order to have someone to sue when things go wrong. How is an AI going to get a State Medical License?
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SquirrellyDan said:

Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

Urban Ag said:

Ironically, healthcare is the single biggest market sector I hope to see AI/robotics replace. Not unlike self driving cars, the machines are going to do it better.

I look forward to my robodoc/nurse at a fraction of the cost. This is ultimately the end game for healthcare.




This. Many healthcare providers diagnose by typing things into their computer to get info, which spit out data for them to use. AI would do a majority of healthcare roles more efficiently. Also factoring in that most PCPs literally do nothing, and often don't even touch patients, it's not a role that would be difficult to replace. ER, surgeons, nursing, etc where doctors actually physically do things while also being knowledgable, those are the jobs that will remain stable for a long time. PCP is pretty much useless and any monkey can do it. Speaking from someone from the inside, in case anyone questions.

PCP is one of the best bang for buck professions there is. Little thought required to get a big paycheck. Yep, bring on AI and maybe ill actually get decent care for the ridiculous money we spend for the first time since ACA.


Agree 100%. Physicians and especially mid level providers essentially are working from a script that matches symptoms to treatments, referrals, or tests. AI can do this flawlessly with up to date, accurate, information.
imagine the system is so debottl necked that yearly we can go get a full mri for $500 and an AI can read the images with extreme detail and accuracy. Identifying hidden concerns and writing a 1-5 year treatment or therapeutic program to address everything. Currently the dollars are in reactive medicine - whoever is first to revolutionize preventative with AI and existing tools/imaging is going to change the world forever.
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Stringfellow Hawke said:

I am a paramedic and would follow this career path if i was not four years away from retiring.


https://www.anesthetist.org/become-a-caa

You are spot on. If you spent a day in my office with me and with the two Medical Assistants I hire, both of whom are trying to get into med school, and the college student currently "shadowing" me, you would hear a variant of that pitch all day long. There are a few different paths to get to being an Anaesthesia Assistant, all of which involve way less time and stress than being an anesthesiologist. At one of the surgery centers at which I work, we cannot hire one for less than $280,000 annually. While I am sweating it out working, knowing that I will have to deal with the patient and their family, often for free, for months after surgery, they are scrolling on their cellphones and glancing at the monitors waiting for someone to come into the O.R. and give them a break. When they walk out of the O.R. at the end of the day they are done with work. No call, unless they want to make extra money, and the anesthesiologist is the target for a lawsuit in case anything goes wrong.

Right now, AI is definitely helping me in my office. And I am not in the least bit worried about it replacing anything I do. But for a myriad of reasons, I am no longer encouraging young persons to go into medicine, unless they will graduate debt free and it is their absolute passion. For years, I had kids from a magnet high school shadowing me in my office. No longer. I am happy with what I did, but I don't encourage others to do the same. The college student I have with me this summer is only there because I am friends with her Dad and he asked it as a favor.

Anaesthesia P.A., Anaesthesia Assistant, C.R.N.A., all those pathways are great. And no A.I. assisted computer / robot is going to put that endotracheal tube in, start your I.V., then sit there and doom scroll for you.
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Aggie95 said:

Stringfellow Hawke said:

I am a paramedic and would follow this career path if i was not four years away from retiring.


https://www.anesthetist.org/become-a-caa


Our son just took the MCAT last week and have talked to him about this as his back up plan.

Good plan. Intubating is an art and a skill that is easier to accomplish in clinical setting like an OR as opposed to the side of a road or the back of an ambulance.
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Ragoo said:

SquirrellyDan said:

Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

Urban Ag said:

Ironically, healthcare is the single biggest market sector I hope to see AI/robotics replace. Not unlike self driving cars, the machines are going to do it better.

I look forward to my robodoc/nurse at a fraction of the cost. This is ultimately the end game for healthcare.




This. Many healthcare providers diagnose by typing things into their computer to get info, which spit out data for them to use. AI would do a majority of healthcare roles more efficiently. Also factoring in that most PCPs literally do nothing, and often don't even touch patients, it's not a role that would be difficult to replace. ER, surgeons, nursing, etc where doctors actually physically do things while also being knowledgable, those are the jobs that will remain stable for a long time. PCP is pretty much useless and any monkey can do it. Speaking from someone from the inside, in case anyone questions.

PCP is one of the best bang for buck professions there is. Little thought required to get a big paycheck. Yep, bring on AI and maybe ill actually get decent care for the ridiculous money we spend for the first time since ACA.


Agree 100%. Physicians and especially mid level providers essentially are working from a script that matches symptoms to treatments, referrals, or tests. AI can do this flawlessly with up to date, accurate, information.
imagine the system is so debottl necked that yearly we can go get a full mri for $500 and an AI can read the images with extreme detail and accuracy. Identifying hidden concerns and writing a 1-5 year treatment or therapeutic program to address everything. Currently the dollars are in reactive medicine - whoever is first to revolutionize preventative with AI and existing tools/imaging is going to change the world forever.


Pay cash and you can still get an affordable MRI. It'll quadruple (or more) running through insurance. Did this with an ankle injury for my daughter. Paid something like $350 cash up front, and the imaging place mistakenly sent an invoice for $2000 thinking we'd go through insurance. F'ing broken system.
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FriskyGardenGnome said:

Ragoo said:

SquirrellyDan said:

Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

Urban Ag said:

Ironically, healthcare is the single biggest market sector I hope to see AI/robotics replace. Not unlike self driving cars, the machines are going to do it better.

I look forward to my robodoc/nurse at a fraction of the cost. This is ultimately the end game for healthcare.




This. Many healthcare providers diagnose by typing things into their computer to get info, which spit out data for them to use. AI would do a majority of healthcare roles more efficiently. Also factoring in that most PCPs literally do nothing, and often don't even touch patients, it's not a role that would be difficult to replace. ER, surgeons, nursing, etc where doctors actually physically do things while also being knowledgable, those are the jobs that will remain stable for a long time. PCP is pretty much useless and any monkey can do it. Speaking from someone from the inside, in case anyone questions.

PCP is one of the best bang for buck professions there is. Little thought required to get a big paycheck. Yep, bring on AI and maybe ill actually get decent care for the ridiculous money we spend for the first time since ACA.


Agree 100%. Physicians and especially mid level providers essentially are working from a script that matches symptoms to treatments, referrals, or tests. AI can do this flawlessly with up to date, accurate, information.
imagine the system is so debottl necked that yearly we can go get a full mri for $500 and an AI can read the images with extreme detail and accuracy. Identifying hidden concerns and writing a 1-5 year treatment or therapeutic program to address everything. Currently the dollars are in reactive medicine - whoever is first to revolutionize preventative with AI and existing tools/imaging is going to change the world forever.


Pay cash and you can still get an affordable MRI. It'll quadruple (or more) running through insurance. Did this with an ankle injury for my daughter. Paid something like $350 cash up front, and the imaging place mistakenly sent an invoice for $2000 thinking we'd go through insurance. F'ing broken system.
after my stroke I paid $460 for an mri using my HSA debit card.
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Kool said:

Stringfellow Hawke said:

I am a paramedic and would follow this career path if i was not four years away from retiring.


https://www.anesthetist.org/become-a-caa

You are spot on. If you spent a day in my office with me and with the two Medical Assistants I hire, both of whom are trying to get into med school, and the college student currently "shadowing" me, you would hear a variant of that pitch all day long. There are a few different paths to get to being an Anaesthesia Assistant, all of which involve way less time and stress than being an anesthesiologist. At one of the surgery centers at which I work, we cannot hire one for less than $280,000 annually. While I am sweating it out working, knowing that I will have to deal with the patient and their family, often for free, for months after surgery, they are scrolling on their cellphones and glancing at the monitors waiting for someone to come into the O.R. and give them a break. When they walk out of the O.R. at the end of the day they are done with work. No call, unless they want to make extra money, and the anesthesiologist is the target for a lawsuit in case anything goes wrong.

Right now, AI is definitely helping me in my office. And I am not in the least bit worried about it replacing anything I do. But for a myriad of reasons, I am no longer encouraging young persons to go into medicine, unless they will graduate debt free and it is their absolute passion. For years, I had kids from a magnet high school sha. dowing me in my office. No longer. I am happy with what I did, but I don't encourage others to do the same. The college student I have with me this summer is only there because I am friends with her Dad and he asked it as a favor.

Anaesthesia P.A., Anaesthesia Assistant, C.R.N.A., all those pathways are great. And no A.I. assisted computer / robot is going to put that endotracheal tube in, start your I.V., then sit there and doom scroll for you.

I still may pursue it because I enjoy the art and science of medicine but dislike the reality of doing it in the prehospital setting. Are you in the Houston area? If so, I would like to connect if you are willing to provide guidance to my niece who wants to go to medical school. My email is in profile,
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Imagine if an entity was able to take just your IP, replicate it, and sell it to your customers at a lower cost.

Now, imagine if they can essentially take your mind, replicate it endlessly, and then sell it to your employer at a lower cost.

This is essentially what LLMs are and are doing.

Anthropic's posturing and access gating is untenable.
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Just dont pick radiology
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Ragoo said:

SquirrellyDan said:

Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

Urban Ag said:

Ironically, healthcare is the single biggest market sector I hope to see AI/robotics replace. Not unlike self driving cars, the machines are going to do it better.

I look forward to my robodoc/nurse at a fraction of the cost. This is ultimately the end game for healthcare.




This. Many healthcare providers diagnose by typing things into their computer to get info, which spit out data for them to use. AI would do a majority of healthcare roles more efficiently. Also factoring in that most PCPs literally do nothing, and often don't even touch patients, it's not a role that would be difficult to replace. ER, surgeons, nursing, etc where doctors actually physically do things while also being knowledgable, those are the jobs that will remain stable for a long time. PCP is pretty much useless and any monkey can do it. Speaking from someone from the inside, in case anyone questions.

PCP is one of the best bang for buck professions there is. Little thought required to get a big paycheck. Yep, bring on AI and maybe ill actually get decent care for the ridiculous money we spend for the first time since ACA.


Agree 100%. Physicians and especially mid level providers essentially are working from a script that matches symptoms to treatments, referrals, or tests. AI can do this flawlessly with up to date, accurate, information.
imagine the system is so debottl necked that yearly we can go get a full mri for $500 and an AI can read the images with extreme detail and accuracy. Identifying hidden concerns and writing a 1-5 year treatment or therapeutic program to address everything. Currently the dollars are in reactive medicine - whoever is first to revolutionize preventative with AI and existing tools/imaging is going to change the world forever.


Again, you have to have a State Medical license to provide any kind of medical care in every state in America. How does an AI get a State Medical license? Do you think the Healthcare industry and politicians they give money to are gonna give up that requirement?
BMX Bandit
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In our lifetime, it won't happen.

100 years from now? I wouldn't bet against it.
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BMX Bandit said:

In our lifetime, it won't happen.

100 years from now? I wouldn't bet against it.


Even after my lifetime, an AI will "advise" a Healthcare provider who will sign off on it. This will mean there will be far fewer actual humans per capital to provide care, but I guarantee someone's name will be on the note.
BMX Bandit
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During the initial implementation, no doubt.

I will have to come up with a way to collect on this wager, I bet you 1 million credits that surgery is completely autonomous by 2175.
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At the risk of attracting some F16 physician hate, if you've ever read the words "good catch" in a response to your follow-up questions to an AI bot then you already know what the main issue with complete AI replacement will be. And before anybody responds with "but it will get better with time!" then consider who the beta test patients are going to be. Personal thoughts on AI is that it's the most powerful tool to come along in quite some time and should be used as an adjunct assistant for the PCP and not a replacement.

Caveat - I'm not a PCP and Kool is spot on with their previous post.
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Urban Ag said:

Ironically, healthcare is the single biggest market sector I hope to see AI/robotics replace. Not unlike self driving cars, the machines are going to do it better.

I look forward to my robodoc/nurse at a fraction of the cost. This is ultimately the end game for healthcare.



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BMX Bandit said:

During the initial implementation, no doubt.

I will have to come up with a way to collect on this wager, I bet you 1 million credits that surgery is completely autonomous by 2175.


A million credits in 2175 will probably buy me a single stick of vegan, gluten free, simulated bubblegum.
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