12 year old euthanized in Netherlands

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/child-netherlands-euthanasia-law-change-b3002020.html

Just found out about this today. Grotesque doesn't even begin to describe it
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Euthanasia is a weird topic. We consider it the humane thing to do for our pets when they are terminal and in severe pain. But it's considered evil and barbaric to do to our loved ones.
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I feel like most people who are against euthanasia in all circumstances have the fortune of never having had to personally witness a loved one waste away in a 24/7 existence of agony and terror. I came very close to killing a loved one and accepting the consequences so I could release them from their torment.
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Rubicante said:

I feel like most people who are against euthanasia in all circumstances have the fortune of never having had to personally witness a loved one waste away in a 24/7 existence of agony and terror. I came very close to killing a loved one and accepting the consequences so I could release them from their torment.


This!!!!

My aunt had no children so it was my wife and I taking care of her. Aunt had stage 4 lung cancer. The last 3 months of her life was hell. So many times I wanted to just end her life cause she was in so much pain. Yet that would have landed me in jail.

I believe in medical euthanasia for extreme cases. Why keep a love one alive who is suffering, when their life can be celebrated and surrendered by love ones while they are put to sleep.
My gummy-bear died. My unicorn ran away. My imaginary friend got kidnapped. The voices in my head wont talk to me.
I've got a red bull. So I got that going for me.
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Teslag said:

Euthanasia is a weird topic. We consider it the humane thing to do for our pets when they are terminal and in severe pain. But it's considered evil and barbaric to do to our loved ones.

As someone who had to tell the doctors to pull the plug on my late wife, it is not an easy decision to make.

I wish that pain on absolutely no one....
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There are no facts in the article and this is not a simple issue. I'll just say this - my dad had a massive stroke at 84, and prior to that, he had a few previous smaller strokes and made it clear he never wanted to go thru another hospitalization/rehab again. He made it extremely clear he wanted to die when the big one happened, both before and after it happened. We brought hospice in but it still took 7 days to die. 7 awful days watching him waste away, need a diaper, and very slowly die. 4 years before his death, my mom went thru 2 years of hell with ovarian cancer, and the very end was 3 days similar to my dad.

People should have a choice here. All people.
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" Under euthanasia laws, a person must be in a state of intolerable suffering with no realistic hope of relief and it should only be applied in exceptional and extreme circumstances."

Seems pretty reasonable, and if they are sticking to that I don't really buy any slippery slope arguments about killing off grandma for the inheritance because she has a mild flu.
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BTW, while I made my personal comment earlier, I am very concerned about laws like the MAID law in Canada combined with government run healthcare.
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There's a difference between hospice and actively and willingly killing someone suffering. Euthanasia as a national policy devalues human life and justifies diminishing reasoning for killing. Today's terminal illness is tomorrow's depression or down syndrome. Spain had the girl that was euthanized after being a victim of rape. Are we going to euthanize any and all levels of suffering because both parties are willing? Sorry but that is an abomination of God's creation and mercy. Slippery slope may be a fallacy, but the evidence suggests that it's valid here.
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Is there though? Hospice at the end is providing no water, no food, only morphine droplets inside the cheek. Which it can involve days and days of that. I'd say we are absolutely splitting hairs on what is "willingly killing" just to feel better about ourselves, and quite frankly, we are picking the more stomach-turning, undignified manner
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hunter2012 said:

There's a difference between hospice and actively and willingly killing someone suffering. Euthanasia as a national policy devalues human life and justifies diminishing reasoning for killing. Today's terminal illness is tomorrow's depression or down syndrome. Spain had the girl that was euthanized after being a victim of rape. Are we going to euthanize any and all levels of suffering because both parties are willing? Sorry but that is an abomination of God's creation and mercy. Slippery slope may be a fallacy, but the evidence suggests that it's valid here.

Again, I think that is a really big worry with laws like this...
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Nature must take it's course, it's not splitting hairs to say there's a difference between alleviating pain while nature take it's course and actively killing someone. There must be a black and white line regarding life and death of people. Anything else justifies human malevolence, even if it's under the guise of mercy.
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Ag with kids said:

BTW, while I made my personal comment earlier, I am very concerned about laws like the MAID law in Canada combined with government run healthcare.


Seriously, they're on the verge of no voluntary euthanasia, they practically strong arm the elderly into accepting death for minor afflictions.
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Is not feeding a baby "nature taking its course" when it dies? That's basically what we are doing with hospice. Choosing to withhold basic sustenance that would otherwise prolong life from someone incapable of doing it themselves
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I think we've already demonstrated in the US that this can be done responsibly. Texas isn't one of them though. The government is choosing for you in Texas; it's just choosing the longer, more painful method while being delusional that it isn't just another form of killing
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hunter2012 said:

Nature must take it's course, it's not splitting hairs to say there's a difference between alleviating pain while nature take it's course and actively killing someone. There must be a black and white line regarding life and death of people. Anything else justifies human malevolence, even if it's under the guise of mercy.


It's each individual's personal choice as to how they end their own life when an end is imminent or suffering unbearable such that life is worse than death. It's exceedingly arrogant for any individual, or government, to claim that they know what's best and force the decision on a person one way or another.
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starving a baby doesn't compare to not treating a terminal illness and alleviating pain in someone's final days. Absurd.
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hunter2012 said:

starving a baby doesn't compare to not treating a terminal illness and alleviating pain in someone's final days. Absurd.


When it isn't the terminal illness that kills them, it absolutely does. You are absurdly naive about hospice. Many of these hospice patients don't truly die from their disease; they die when they make the choice to no longer live with it. We like to convince ourselves it was the disease, but it quite often still comes down to a choice and a doc signing off on that choice. It's just that in Texas we only give them one choice that draws it out. No water, no food, the morphine droplet nap begins, days later they determine you are finally close to death because you stop wetting the diaper they put on you. Maybe you should take a seat.
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Maybe quit calling it euthanasia and call it what it really is…



mercy.
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hunter2012 said:

There's a difference between hospice and actively and willingly killing someone suffering. Euthanasia as a national policy devalues human life and justifies diminishing reasoning for killing. Today's terminal illness is tomorrow's depression or down syndrome. Spain had the girl that was euthanized after being a victim of rape. Are we going to euthanize any and all levels of suffering because both parties are willing? Sorry but that is an abomination of God's creation and mercy. Slippery slope may be a fallacy, but the evidence suggests that it's valid here.

I understand that you want people to suffer until their natural death because you believe that your god wills it to happen.

Fortunately many other people do not.
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Quote:

"In order to undergo the procedure, a doctor must persuade the authorities that euthanasia is appropriate and that there is no humane alternative."

After Covid and gender reassignment surgery for children, who on God's green earth thinks we should trust doctors and bureaucrats with a decision like this?
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Ag with kids said:

Teslag said:

Euthanasia is a weird topic. We consider it the humane thing to do for our pets when they are terminal and in severe pain. But it's considered evil and barbaric to do to our loved ones.

As someone who had to tell the doctors to pull the plug on my late wife, it is not an easy decision to make.

I wish that pain on absolutely no one....

My father was your typical, stoic, machismo Mexican man.

I only saw him cry....like CRY cry.....3 times in my life. The first time, I was 7, and my father had to pull the plug on my abuela, his mother, at the old BAMC. The other 2 were when my mother passed when I was 10 and his sister passing many years later.
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BigRobSA said:

Ag with kids said:

Teslag said:

Euthanasia is a weird topic. We consider it the humane thing to do for our pets when they are terminal and in severe pain. But it's considered evil and barbaric to do to our loved ones.

As someone who had to tell the doctors to pull the plug on my late wife, it is not an easy decision to make.

I wish that pain on absolutely no one....

My father was your typical, stoic, machismo Mexican man.

I only saw him cry....like CRY cry.....3 times in my life. The first time, I was 7, and my father had to pull the plug on my abuela, his mother, at the old BAMC. The other 2 were when my mother passed when I was 10 and his sister passing many years later.

I understand this...

Although I hid my crying from my kids when it happened. I was Dad. I was their rock. I had to be strong for them.

I broke down a while later at my house, when my 2 older daughters were over and were talking about her...

I blubbered like a baby...
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The article makes it seem like this could be done without letting the kid know…putting your child down like an animal.
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Teslag said:

Euthanasia is a weird topic. We consider it the humane thing to do for our pets when they are terminal and in severe pain. But it's considered evil and barbaric to do to our loved ones.


Watch chickens cull. It's pretty grotesque.
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Does the decedent know?
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Anyone who says they're 100% against euthanasia has never had to make the decision to pull the plug in real life.
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Or watch a physically healthy, but mentally declining, loved one slip so far away that they not only forget the name of their firstborn, but they don't even understand that they are hungry/thirsty.
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I know for certain without any sort of doubt, that there are several scenarios where I would choose euthanasia for myself.

As others have said here, you only have to see someone go through it with your own eyes once. I've seen it three times now.

We already have DNRs. This is just the next logical step. Yes, there is some nuance in talking about it, but I think we all know what this is actually targeting. And I am for it. I'm done waffling around about it in my mind.
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flown-the-coop said:

Maybe quit calling it euthanasia and call it what it really is…



mercy.


Mercy killings are real. Despite what the other poster says above.
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hunter2012 said:

Spain had the girl that was euthanized after being a victim of rape.


She was gang raped multiple times, had severe mental health issues, and became a paraplegic at 25 after a failed suicide attempt. She fought a legal battle for herself. This was not the medical community pushing this on her
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What is the dividing line between compassion for the suffering and selfish convenience to not have to deal with the process play out on the part of others? Even if that is only emotional relief?
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Ag with kids said:

BTW, while I made my personal comment earlier, I am very concerned about laws like the MAID law in Canada combined with government run healthcare.



One reason why the state should never have control over healthcare. For Canada, MAID is a way to eliminate those pesky old people who had the gall to pay into their worthless government health system expecting it to treat them when they need it for non life-threatening issues.

Bad knee? Shoulder pain? Boil on the ass? Go Kevorkian. That is the nature of government run healthcare under the Complete Lives System.
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Call it what you will, but both of my parents were "euthanized" in an ICU with sepsis.

In hindsight I'm thankful that it ended their suffering.
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It's amazing how so many of you do not understand the basic concepts involved here.

If the only thing keep someone alive is being connected to a feeding tube and incubator than deciding to "pull the plug" and allow nature to take its course is not euthanasia. That's allowing them to die naturally.

Euthanasia is the introduction of a drug to actively end their life.

It's like the difference between abortion and miscarriage.
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