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torrid said:

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Daddy said:

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My big belief in this is why God brought in Donald Trump and probably Vladimir Putin to try to stop the globalist which is what the fight's all about.

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Can you expound? Im not following what you're saying.

Now up to 48 blue stars...and you want me to believe there's no incentivized right wing agitation on this website? I hope there is, because the alternative is shocking.

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Rocky Rider said:

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This thread is a bit off the rails. I watched the movie this morning; rented for a few dollars on Amazon. I encourage everyone to watch it and draw your own conclusions.

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Was it any good? Previous poster's critique makes me not want to waste my time.

This thread is already derailed, but your link does not accurately describe the evangelical belief of Revelation as I have heard it (through several churches over the years) and definitely not ehst I get out of Revelation. Your link makes several strawman arguments that aren't even true.

I had the same argument with an orthodox preacher over breakfast and his broad-bush overviews of "what evangelists believe " and "how little they know about the Bible " sounds eerily similar to your points.

Do yall have a class on "how stupid Evangelical Christians are"?

Where the F are the men, the real men, in Germany?!?!?!!!! Have they become so weak, neutered and emasculated they cannot protect their women and children?

Multiple instances of teenage girls getting assaulted and raped and the perps did ZERO jail time due to their age. WTF is that?!?!!!! If they are old enough to the crime they are old enough to do the time, some time, any time in prison.

If I had a teenage daughter who got gang raped and the perps did zero jail time they would all be dead if they did not fleee the continent.

F'ing spineless, weak, Euro trash. They are so afraid of being called some type of "..ist" they no longer enforce law and order and allow this feral behavior to happen. Disgusting.

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SgtBarbarossa said:

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Being protestant and having looked into many different denominations for comparison over the years, what I've gathered is that most agree we simply don't know the meaning behind Revelations and won't until the second coming. Nothing about Jews backdooring their way into heaven or really even a rapture, at least with any detail.

I'm curious if its become a bit of a stereotype of protestants from a Christian orthodox point of view, but I can see why when people try and assign the "antichrist" or "false prophet" tag to people. Kind of like how a lot of protestants assume orthodox worship Mary or added books to the bible without diligence.

That said, I know this isn't the place to hash out different perceptions of Christendom, it's just interesting.

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I agree with your statement about Protestants criticizing the Catholic Church with no knowledge of it. Not my fight as an Orthodox.

I however am not an outsider criticizing Protestants.

I spent 35 of my first years in the Baptist Church and considered seminary at one point. I am assigning nothing to Protestants (Dispensationalist in particular) that they themselves do not openly profess.

I have come to learn that many Protestants are unaware of the communities beliefs and actually take issue with many when confronted with them.

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Exhibit A: Orthodox are just more arrogant Catholics.

Did someone really post that Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump were chosen by God to fight against the global elite? What parallel universe exists in which those two guys aren't the definition of global elite?

CrackerJackAg said:

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That's a bit of a leading question of the "when did you start taking cocaine?" type.

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Do you still beat your wife?

A. Yes
B. No
C. Ooh, I hate that scwewy wabbit!

You guys need to do everyone a favor and take it to the Religion board, for this and any thread on the politics board.

You can discuss right and wrong and moral vs immoral without bringing religion / your religion, religious interpretation into it.

jeremy said:

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This thread is already derailed, but your link does not accurately describe the evangelical belief of Revelation as I have heard it (through several churches over the years) and definitely not ehst I get out of Revelation. Your link makes several strawman arguments that aren't even true.

I had the same argument with an orthodox preacher over breakfast and his broad-bush overviews of "what evangelists believe " and "how little they know about the Bible " sounds eerily similar to your points.

Do yall have a class on "how stupid Evangelical Christians are"?

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No one said ALL Evangelicals. It is wide spread and factual. I didn't get any of this from the Orthodox Church. I grew up southern Baptist and this is the stated belief of that community.

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CrackerJackAg said:

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SgtBarbarossa said:

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Being protestant and having looked into many different denominations for comparison over the years, what I've gathered is that most agree we simply don't know the meaning behind Revelations and won't until the second coming. Nothing about Jews backdooring their way into heaven or really even a rapture, at least with any detail.

I'm curious if its become a bit of a stereotype of protestants from a Christian orthodox point of view, but I can see why when people try and assign the "antichrist" or "false prophet" tag to people. Kind of like how a lot of protestants assume orthodox worship Mary or added books to the bible without diligence.

That said, I know this isn't the place to hash out different perceptions of Christendom, it's just interesting.

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I agree with your statement about Protestants criticizing the Catholic Church with no knowledge of it. Not my fight as an Orthodox.

I however am not an outsider criticizing Protestants.

I spent 35 of my first years in the Baptist Church and considered seminary at one point. I am assigning nothing to Protestants (Dispensationalist in particular) that they themselves do not openly profess.

I have come to learn that many Protestants are unaware of the communities beliefs and actually take issue with many when confronted with them.

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Exhibit A: Orthodox are just more arrogant Catholics.

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Incredible. Would read again.

I did not imagine my comments would be popular with the people who don't agree. That's ok.

Appreciate the conversation and would love your input.

Jarrin Jay said:

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You guys need to do everyone a favor and take it to the Religion board, for this and any thread on the politics board.

You can discuss right and wrong and moral vs immoral without bringing religion / your religion, religious interpretation into it.

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The thread/OP brought religion into the political conversation. It turned into this. You can't state religion as part of the argument then not have it contested.

There are many other threads for you to enjoy

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CrackerJackAg said:

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That's a bit of a leading question of the "when did you start taking cocaine?" type.

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Do you still beat your wife?

A. Yes
B. No
C. Ooh, I hate that scwewy wabbit!

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I apologize for interrupting the derailment. The movie is actually very good. Carry on.

Jarrin Jay said:

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You guys need to do everyone a favor and take it to the Religion board, for this and any thread on the politics board.

You can discuss right and wrong and moral vs immoral without bringing religion / your religion, religious interpretation into it.

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You can get lost if you don't understand the political ramifications of the importing non Christian people into traditionally Christian countries with western culture... especially when those people don't assimilate

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Jarrin Jay said:

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You guys need to do everyone a favor and take it to the Religion board, for this and any thread on the politics board.

You can discuss right and wrong and moral vs immoral without bringing religion / your religion, religious interpretation into it.

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You can get lost if you don't understand the political ramifications of the importing non Christian people into traditionally Christian countries with western culture... especially when those people don't assimilate

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Yet, because our constitution asserts unequivocally that every American has the right to worship however they want freely without any guardrails imposed by the government, your contention that we are a traditionally Christian society is nothing more than overly emotional hand wringing.

I think you are misunderstanding the "globalist" monicker, but I cant tell whether on purpose or you just dont actually know.

Putin and Trump are nationalists that want to maintain their countries' national identity and cultural heritage. I am not endorsing Putin for what he has done, he is a huge piece of ****, but that's just the truth on the face of it.

The "globalist" or "globohomo" want to force cultural suicide on the West by importing Third World trash into these countries so we can live under the banner of "Diversity is Our Strength"/multicultural lie for "equity" reasons, and going through great lengths (see: The Rape Gang Inquiry") to cover up the fact that it is intentional destruction of society and we are not compatible with people coming from societies that are still living in 400 A.D and worship a pedophile prophet who see and treat women as though they are animals and livestock.

And almost like magic, once our government stopped funding/supporting soft coups and color revolutions in LATAM, nationalism is back en vogue in South America. People are fed up with the lies of globohomo and none of them voted for this insane *****

Aggie Dad Sip said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Jarrin Jay said:

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You guys need to do everyone a favor and take it to the Religion board, for this and any thread on the politics board.

You can discuss right and wrong and moral vs immoral without bringing religion / your religion, religious interpretation into it.

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You can get lost if you don't understand the political ramifications of the importing non Christian people into traditionally Christian countries with western culture... especially when those people don't assimilate

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Yet, because our constitution asserts unequivocally that every American has the right to worship however they want freely without any guardrails imposed by the government, your contention that we are a traditionally Christian society is nothing more than overly emotional hand wringing.

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Yes, and we also have the right to determine who from outside of our country may come into our country and what culture and religion they bring into it.

It is absolutely asinine that you just made the argument that the constitution protects foreigners who come here and do whatever they want to that is politically anathema to the population that lives here with the actual constitutional rights.

I don't think you actually believe what you just said. I think you just spoke emotionally without having given your statement an ounce of intellectual thought.

CrackerJackAg said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Jarrin Jay said:

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You guys need to do everyone a favor and take it to the Religion board, for this and any thread on the politics board.

You can discuss right and wrong and moral vs immoral without bringing religion / your religion, religious interpretation into it.

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You can get lost if you don't understand the political ramifications of the importing non Christian people into traditionally Christian countries with western culture... especially when those people don't assimilate

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Yet, because our constitution asserts unequivocally that every American has the right to worship however they want freely without any guardrails imposed by the government, your contention that we are a traditionally Christian society is nothing more than overly emotional hand wringing.

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Yes, and we also have the right to determine who from outside of our country may come into our country and what culture and religion they bring into it.

It is absolutely asinine that you just made the argument that the constitution protects foreigners who come here and do whatever they want to that is politically anathema to the population that lives here with the actual constitutional rights.

I don't think you actually believe what you just said. I think you just spoke emotionally without having given your statement an ounce of intellectual thought.

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It's regrettable that you have a fundamental problem with our constitution, and I empathize with you. But unfortunately your only remedy is a change to the first amendment.

You're absolutely correct that our government reserves the right to determine who can immigrate legally, but unfortunately a religious litmus test doesn't pass constitutional muster. In short, it doesn't matter at all who one worships nor whether they assimilate. Those are definitely nice-to-haves, but constitutionally not need-to-haves.

Jarrin Jay said:

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Where the F are the men, the real men, in Germany?!?!?!!!!

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They got killed off by the two World Wars.

Wut? I have no clue what you are talking about here.

Aggie Dad Sip said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Jarrin Jay said:

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You guys need to do everyone a favor and take it to the Religion board, for this and any thread on the politics board.

You can discuss right and wrong and moral vs immoral without bringing religion / your religion, religious interpretation into it.

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You can get lost if you don't understand the political ramifications of the importing non Christian people into traditionally Christian countries with western culture... especially when those people don't assimilate

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Yet, because our constitution asserts unequivocally that every American has the right to worship however they want freely without any guardrails imposed by the government, your contention that we are a traditionally Christian society is nothing more than overly emotional hand wringing.

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Yes, and we also have the right to determine who from outside of our country may come into our country and what culture and religion they bring into it.

It is absolutely asinine that you just made the argument that the constitution protects foreigners who come here and do whatever they want to that is politically anathema to the population that lives here with the actual constitutional rights.

I don't think you actually believe what you just said. I think you just spoke emotionally without having given your statement an ounce of intellectual thought.

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It's regrettable that you have a fundamental problem with our constitution, and I empathize with you. But unfortunately your only remedy is a change to the first amendment.

You're absolutely correct that our government reserves the right to determine who can immigrate legally, but unfortunately a religious litmus test doesn't pass constitutional muster. In short, it doesn't matter at all who one worships nor whether they assimilate. Those are definitely nice-to-haves, but constitutionally not need-to-haves.

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I never said so. I said we had the political right to determine who enters this country. The constitution does not provide any protection or disqualification of who we choose to accept.

Obviously US citizens have the right of the first amendment. Immigrants who do not possess citizenship do not.

There is no regrettable problem with the constitution on my part and you are spewing non sense.

I'm not sure what the point is you're trying to make.

CrackerJackAg said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Jarrin Jay said:

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You guys need to do everyone a favor and take it to the Religion board, for this and any thread on the politics board.

You can discuss right and wrong and moral vs immoral without bringing religion / your religion, religious interpretation into it.

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You can get lost if you don't understand the political ramifications of the importing non Christian people into traditionally Christian countries with western culture... especially when those people don't assimilate

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Yet, because our constitution asserts unequivocally that every American has the right to worship however they want freely without any guardrails imposed by the government, your contention that we are a traditionally Christian society is nothing more than overly emotional hand wringing.

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Yes, and we also have the right to determine who from outside of our country may come into our country and what culture and religion they bring into it.

It is absolutely asinine that you just made the argument that the constitution protects foreigners who come here and do whatever they want to that is politically anathema to the population that lives here with the actual constitutional rights.

I don't think you actually believe what you just said. I think you just spoke emotionally without having given your statement an ounce of intellectual thought.

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It's regrettable that you have a fundamental problem with our constitution, and I empathize with you. But unfortunately your only remedy is a change to the first amendment.

You're absolutely correct that our government reserves the right to determine who can immigrate legally, but unfortunately a religious litmus test doesn't pass constitutional muster. In short, it doesn't matter at all who one worships nor whether they assimilate. Those are definitely nice-to-haves, but constitutionally not need-to-haves.

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I never said so. I said we had the political right to determine who enters this country. The constitution does not provide any protection or disqualification of who we choose to accept.

Obviously US citizens have the right of the first amendment. Immigrants who do not possess citizenship do not.

There is no regrettable problem with the constitution on my part and you are spewing non sense.

I'm not sure what the point is you're trying to make.

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Maybe I'm wrong. It's happened before. But it seems to me your contention is that because we are a traditionally Christian nation, citizenship should carry a requirement that immigrant citizens should agree to assimilate as our traditionally Christian society deems fit. I disagree. If I've misstated your position I apologize.

Aggie Dad Sip said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Jarrin Jay said:

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You guys need to do everyone a favor and take it to the Religion board, for this and any thread on the politics board.

You can discuss right and wrong and moral vs immoral without bringing religion / your religion, religious interpretation into it.

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You can get lost if you don't understand the political ramifications of the importing non Christian people into traditionally Christian countries with western culture... especially when those people don't assimilate

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Yet, because our constitution asserts unequivocally that every American has the right to worship however they want freely without any guardrails imposed by the government, your contention that we are a traditionally Christian society is nothing more than overly emotional hand wringing.

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Yes, and we also have the right to determine who from outside of our country may come into our country and what culture and religion they bring into it.

It is absolutely asinine that you just made the argument that the constitution protects foreigners who come here and do whatever they want to that is politically anathema to the population that lives here with the actual constitutional rights.

I don't think you actually believe what you just said. I think you just spoke emotionally without having given your statement an ounce of intellectual thought.

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It's regrettable that you have a fundamental problem with our constitution, and I empathize with you. But unfortunately your only remedy is a change to the first amendment.

You're absolutely correct that our government reserves the right to determine who can immigrate legally, but unfortunately a religious litmus test doesn't pass constitutional muster. In short, it doesn't matter at all who one worships nor whether they assimilate. Those are definitely nice-to-haves, but constitutionally not need-to-haves.

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I never said so. I said we had the political right to determine who enters this country. The constitution does not provide any protection or disqualification of who we choose to accept.

Obviously US citizens have the right of the first amendment. Immigrants who do not possess citizenship do not.

There is no regrettable problem with the constitution on my part and you are spewing non sense.

I'm not sure what the point is you're trying to make.

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Maybe I'm wrong. It's happened before. But it seems to me your contention is that because we are a traditionally Christian nation, citizenship should carry a requirement that immigrant citizens should agree to assimilate as our traditionally Christian society deems fit. I disagree. If I've misstated your position I apologize.

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I understand what you're saying and that is absolutely not my belief.

I would prefer for cultural stability for this country to be mostly Christian. I think a country that is culturally homogenous and not at religious contention is best for the country.

That that said, I placed the cultural value much higher than the religious

If you come here and you want to be an American and you want to assimilate, but you happen to be Hindu Buddhist or Muslim than I don't think that should disqualify you.

I think you have to be careful about how many you integrate at once in order to affect cultural assimilation.

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Sigh.

This is why I don't/can't pay attention to politics.

It's either right wing religious weirdos, Epstein pedos, grifters and treating Trump like he's God (and Putin? Seriously?)

or

blue haired, child groomer, communist/socialist environmental wacko, trans/gay nonsense.

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Which of those are you?