Yale Admissions - the start of some reckoning or a one-off?

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Why 'Everyone Hates the Ivy League

Hopefully the article is no longer behind a paywall. The gist of it was that Yale set out to do an internal review of their admissions and educational experience, including their faculty's political leanings. A few of the findings and recommendations were:

"The committee urged more clarity in an admissions process they characterized as opaque, complicated and not clearly based on merit. "The absence of any clear academic standard is difficult to reconcile with a mission built on academic excellence," the report stated.
The committee recommends establishing and publicizing a minimum SAT score or a Yale-specific entrance exam to ensure no students are admitted without the requisite academic preparation and ability"

" The group suggested Yale reduce the "major remaining categories associated with admission preferences": legacies (the offspring of alumni), varsity athletes and the children of faculty, staff and donors."

"The committee addressed concerns that Yale is perceived as an intellectual echo chamber, a criticism leveled at many universities and academic disciplines. Registered Democrats outnumber Republicans 36 to one across top schools within Yale, according to one estimate cited in the report."

It would be interesting to see what kind of changes they end up making with their admissions and faculty hiring processes. My suspicion is that, if donations start to wane, they will certainly go back to admitting legacies over more academically qualified non-legacy kids. And the Left has such a strong hold on academia that I doubt they even really care that Democrats outnumber Republicans 36 to 1, nor the fact that reverse discrimination occurs in these schools.

Is this the start of something new, or just a preemptive move should Yale be sued for violating the recent (albeit unclear) Supreme Court ruling on college admissions?
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That's very interesting coming from Yale as they have a Podcast from their Admissions team with over 50 episodes including one from this month. I listened to it back when my son was applying for jobs and honestly it wasn't very helpful. Inside the Yale Admissions Office Podcast

That said it was typical of what most admissions folks are. I've probably listened to 30 or more different podcasts. Very female centric, virtually all Liberal Arts majors who worked in Admissions in school and basically took the job afterward instead of going into the regular job market, and politically very liberal. You can hear them talk about how they are tired of the essays about the kid who overcame a sports injury to lead their team to a championship or spent a few weeks doing mission work but they get very excited about the kid that started some club about girls who code or raising awareness about race or how we need to have free health care. I remember one where they gushed about the greatest essay they had ever read and it was some girl that was nervous about trying out for cheerleader and did and got it and just talked about how she expressed her feelings. I mean that's a nice story and all but it was a good illustration of how they tend to be drawn to people who are like them (which is natural) and thus that's a problem with so many people in admissions sharing so much in common. Not exactly a lot of guys who played football and like to go hunting on the weekends in admissions for instance. I don't think they even mean to be biased but it's hard not to, especially when virtually everyone else you work with shares so much in common with you.
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Green2Maroon
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I was the quiet, awkward kid who went to war at 18.

I know that hasn't impressed everyone either.
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Nothing is going to happen at Yale or any of the other "elite" universities until they start to actively recruit and hire conservative faculty and begin to really discipline - as in expel -students who disrupt conservative speakers and campus programs.

Until then nothing will change.
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SA68AG said:

Nothing is going to happen at Yale or any of the other "elite" universities until they start to actively recruit and hire conservative faculty and begin to really discipline - as in expel -students who disrupt conservative speakers and campus programs.

Until then nothing will change.

Don't disagree but that's a separate issue. My point is that Admissions departments specifically are incredibly similar in terms of makeup. I do sincerely think that many of them want to be empathetic but it's really hard when you have no ideological diversity and very few men (esp straight or conservative men). To be fair there aren't a lot of straight conservative men that dream of being admissions counselors, maybe that's something to address. Admissions by definition also values diversity in hiring because they want to project a diverse image but white conservative males are not a consideration in that in which I have seen. Very few are even moderate and especially among the younger counselors that typically are doing the "first read" on applications.


You end up with a lot of unintentional biases like the devaluing of male sports. For instance most of us here probably understand that someone who is able to be a Captain and starting player (or just survive the system) at a serious 6A Texas High School football program takes as much if not more commitment than being a state champion in some other sports, the level of competition, pressure, and discipline to do that is immense and many of those kids will be successful because of that experience. Yet it has almost no value to an admissions counselor compared to starting a service club or a female/diversity centric organization even if it really doesn't accomplish much, or especially winning a DECA competition or being in Robotics. The 20 something girl reading your son's app doesn't know that playing at Southlake Carroll is a big freaking deal. They also really don't like people that are openly seeming to chase money or prosperity, it's very gauche. They want everyone following noble pursuits of service even if they are complete BS.

College Meister actually did a pretty solid 5 part series on this problem where he went in depth, here is the first episode if you are interested:

"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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