Running list of things A&M admissions could improve...

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Buck Turgidson
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Let's get a list going and hope the admissions people see this thread.

To start with:

1. Test optional in 2026 is just embarrassing.
2. No SAT super scoring is a mistake - it makes our average SAT look low compared to the many other universities that take super scores.
3. Not having an Early Decision option is a mistake that harms yield.
4. ETAM discourages certain applicants that are set on a specific engineering discipline.
5. I get conflicting info on whether the university tracks demonstrated interest, but that should definitely be considered in admissions.
6. Shrink the top 10% to top 5%. If we can't eliminate the 10% rule, we can reduce its impact.
7. Get rid of the lingering DEI efforts that have been renamed or otherwise hidden from view.
8. Carefully review and maybe reduce the number of students coming from China. Why are we training our hostile competition?

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Buck Turgidson said:

Let's get a list going and hope the admissions people see this thread.

To start with:

1. Test optional in 2026 is just embarrassing.
Completely agree
2. No SAT super scoring is a mistake - it makes our average SAT look low compared to the many other universities that take super scores.
Completely agree
3. Not having an Early Decision option is a mistake that harms yield.
Not a fan of ED as it favors students who don't have to worry about funding, esp at public schools. That said it may be fighting against the tide as it isn't going anywhere.
4. ETAM discourages certain applicants that are set on a specific engineering discipline.
ETAM itself is not so bad but it needs an overhaul. More exceptions such as acceptance to Eng Honors or GPA/SAT etc. Also they need to add in an "intent" in applications and factor that in with admissions. Since "intent" is not considered you end up with an unbalanced class instead of considering that 80% of kids want 5 Majors. Hate seeing kids who want to study Mech E get 3 Semesters in and have to scramble to major in whatever is left and they didn't realize how competitive it would be. It also is a big negative that students feel they need to retake Sr year to protect their GPA which feels like a waste of time and money but the risk is just too high otherwise due to ETAM. That also blows the curve for other students.
5. I get conflicting info on whether the university tracks demonstrated interest, but that should definitely be considered in admissions.
There are some state law issues to consider here.
6. Shrink the top 10% to top 5%. If we can't eliminate the 10% rule, we can reduce its impact.
Best solution is to get rid of it. Next best is to shrink it. If we are stuck with it we need to do what Texas does and say auto only gets you in Liberal Arts and every other major you have to be accepted separately. Or at least make Mays have a separate admission like Engineering and probably same with the Sciences.
7. Get rid of the lingering DEI efforts that have been renamed or otherwise hidden from view.
We have made progress here but always more to do.
8. Carefully review and maybe reduce the number of students coming from China. Why are we training our hostile competition?
This is happening because of H-1 reform and other issues.



I commented on your thoughts above. I'm a big advocate of the Georgia Tech admissions calendar:

In State EA Deadline Oct 15, Results mid Dec. Thus all In State find our sooner and have an advantage in admissions vs OOS.

OOS EA Deadline Nov 1, Results late Jan. Results are AFTER RA Admissions closes so they know at least how many they have to compare with and general quality of RA. It's harder for OOS but at least they find out soon with EA and it gives the school the benefit of knowing their total pool before making decisions

RA Deadline Jan 1, Results in March. You have to be really good to get RA admit to GT.

Our Financial Aid needs massive reform as well. It's basically National Merit or Corps and most of it goes by means testing. We are losing droves of great students because of this. My son's school used to have 20 or so of the T10% go to A&M, now it is low single digits and mainly folks with strong Aggie ties. Other schools are either higher ranked or throw lots of money at them. It's why my son is at NC State on a full ride in spite of his Aggie brother, both Aggie parents, and Grandad who was a Yell Leader. We also need to be realistic that most kids who are accepted at A&M also are accepted at Texas at that level and to someone with no dog in that fight they are picking Texas 9/10 if the money is the same. It wouldn't take much for us to peel off a lot of those kids.

We do a horrible job of recruiting top students. My son got far more stuff from Harvard and Yale than A&M as a Top 5% kid from a top Texas HS. It became a joke after a while. A&M had to work really hard at losing him and making him feel like they couldn't care less if he came. All of the efforts are towards First Gen and lower income students, Engineering Academies for lower ranked students, and National Merit (which really doesn't get much of a scholarship either).

Our admissions and financial aid offices barely know the literature on the web. I swear I talked to half a dozen during my son's process and I knew more than any of them and often was telling them their own policies. That was often after waiting forever to finally get someone to talk to. Lots of enthusiasm and little knowledge. I remember going to GT and walking in and getting someone immediately and they quickly grasped everything I was asking about and offered suggestion after suggestion. Same with most other places we visited and contacted. Texas sucks at this too btw. They make it all too clear that they have plenty of applicants and couldn't care less about you. We should want the best students in Texas to come to A&M and realize that those students have a LOT of options.
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top 10 needs a minimum sat score. You do that and it thins the herd a lot and gives more spots for kids who are outside top 10 but can be successful at tamu. make it 1200. Bring back academic admit (top quarter but 1350 sat). My son got in the last year we had that - HS class of 2020- and did great at tamu.


This top 10 and in thing puts kids at tamu who are not going to succeed. So you have a bunch of kids leave and then space for a bunch of kids to either transfer from juco and PSA. How about making it the goal to have kids get admitted as freshmen who can succeed and finish at tamu instead of the shell game we have now.
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I think it is important to differentiate Early Decision from Early Action in the above list.

Early Decision is binding and has financial imitations that alienate those who are unsure of funding.

Early Action is just the early deadline.
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8 of our kids high school top 10 are going to texas. 1 is going to A&M. Prestigious 5A high school. Our daughter is going out of state and is getting about 24k per year in scholarships.
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TexasAg95 said:

top 10 needs a minimum sat score. You do that and it thins the herd a lot and gives more spots for kids who are outside top 10 but can be successful at tamu. make it 1200. Bring back academic admit (top quarter but 1350 sat). My son got in the last year we had that - HS class of 2020- and did great at tamu.


This top 10 and in thing puts kids at tamu who are not going to succeed. So you have a bunch of kids leave and then space for a bunch of kids to either transfer from juco and PSA. How about making it the goal to have kids get admitted as freshmen who can succeed and finish at tamu instead of the shell game we have now.


I like the minimum SAT/ACT score for the top 10%. I think 1200/ 25 is the sweet spot. You want to reward the kids that worked hard in high school, without making it just the kids that test well. The top 10% SAT/ACT at my kids' school is all over the map 1550 down to 1050.

I also like the top 25% and 1350/ 28. We miss out on a lot if great kids that got one or two Bs in highschool.
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How about replacing the Associate VP for Enrollment Management? Not that it's all his fault. A&M grew far too quickly under John Sharp, and offers too many pathways (Blinn TEAM, PSA,, engineering academies, etc.), but the admissions process compared to our peers is a joke.
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TexasAg95 said:

top 10 needs a minimum sat score. You do that and it thins the herd a lot and gives more spots for kids who are outside top 10 but can be successful at tamu. make it 1200. Bring back academic admit (top quarter but 1350 sat). My son got in the last year we had that - HS class of 2020- and did great at tamu.


This top 10 and in thing puts kids at tamu who are not going to succeed. So you have a bunch of kids leave and then space for a bunch of kids to either transfer from juco and PSA. How about making it the goal to have kids get admitted as freshmen who can succeed and finish at tamu instead of the shell game we have now.

Problem is the numbers still don't add up. You can't set up a system where you have 30-40,000 kids that are auto admit when you have 12,000 or so spots and Texas has about 10,000 that are regular admit entering Freshman. A 1200 SAT is also not what it used to be. It's only going to get worse, the State is at 32 million and growing.

If we must have one Texas has the right idea. Top 5% and it only gets you into COLA. That way you don't burn so many spots and a disproportionate number going into Mays and the Sciences even though they aren't prepared.

The entire concept is flawed to have auto admission outside of Valedictorians or some other ridiculously small number in a state our size with limited spots and so much variance in high schools.
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ArmyAg2002 said:

TexasAg95 said:

top 10 needs a minimum sat score. You do that and it thins the herd a lot and gives more spots for kids who are outside top 10 but can be successful at tamu. make it 1200. Bring back academic admit (top quarter but 1350 sat). My son got in the last year we had that - HS class of 2020- and did great at tamu.


This top 10 and in thing puts kids at tamu who are not going to succeed. So you have a bunch of kids leave and then space for a bunch of kids to either transfer from juco and PSA. How about making it the goal to have kids get admitted as freshmen who can succeed and finish at tamu instead of the shell game we have now.


I like the minimum SAT/ACT score for the top 10%. I think 1200/ 25 is the sweet spot. You want to reward the kids that worked hard in high school, without making it just the kids that test well. The top 10% SAT/ACT at my kids' school is all over the map 1550 down to 1050.

I also like the top 25% and 1350/ 28. We miss out on a lot if great kids that got one or two Bs in highschool.

The Math just doesn't work with over 400k graduates from Texas High Schools. That doesn't count all the private, homeschool, and OOS kids. Before you know it we will have 40 million people in Texas. We need to look at practical solutions for the future and stop trying to fix a bad idea with good intentions.
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Texas A & M said:

How about replacing the Associate VP for Enrollment Management? Not that it's all his fault. A&M grew far too quickly under John Sharp, and offers too many pathways (Blinn TEAM, PSA,, engineering academies, etc.), but the admissions process compared to our peers is a joke.

Pick a peer we want to emulate and hire their guy. Rick Clark at Georgia Tech would be my first choice. Here is his Podcast if you want to listen to him: The Truth about College Admissions
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