Why would anyone sacrifice years of earnings for a non guaranteed payday now. So stupid, but most people are unable to see the big picture and past just a couple inches in front of them.
Brian Flores suing the NFL and NY Giants
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Bunk Moreland said:
What's the case?
The Giants interviewed Leslie Fraizer also in-person. So it's hard for him to even argue he was a token interview when they had in-person's with 2 different black head coaches prior to hiring Daboll.
This is just Twitter hearsay, so take it for what it's worth. But I saw that the Frazier interview might not have been in person, which I guess doesn't satisfy the rule.
I could see how the Belichick text thing would be infuriating. But he needed to do the proverbial count to 10 vs running to court in less than a week.
Dr Lane Trowlan said:Bunk Moreland said:
What's the case?
The Giants interviewed Leslie Fraizer also in-person. So it's hard for him to even argue he was a token interview when they had in-person's with 2 different black head coaches prior to hiring Daboll.
This is just Twitter hearsay, so take it for what it's worth. But I saw that the Frazier interview might not have been in person, which I guess doesn't satisfy the rule.
https://larrybrownsports.com/football/timeline-new-york-giants-head-coach-interviews-rooney-rule-requirement/591390Quote:
Jan. 11 (Tue) Giants fire Joe Judge as head coach
Jan. 21 (Fri) Bills assistant GM Joe Schoen hired as GM
Jan. 21 (Fri) Bills OC Brian Daboll interviews with Schoen and Giants' co-owners via teleconference
Jan. 22 (Sat) Bills DC Leslie Frazier interviews via teleconference
Jan. 23 (Sun) Bengals DC Lou Anarumo interviews via teleconference
Jan. 23 (Sun) Daboll and Frazier's Buffalo Bills eliminated from playoffs
Jan. 24 (Mon) Cowboys DC Dan Quinn interviews in-person. Giants' first in-person interview for the job.
Jan. 25 (Tue) Brian Daboll receives second interview. Interview occurs in-person
*Brian Flores receives text messages from Bill Belichick congratulating him on becoming next Giants coach even though Flores has not had his interview yet. Belichick's text messages were intended for Daboll.*
Jan. 26 (Wed) Giants DC Patrick Graham interviews. Does not satisfy Rooney Rule since in-house candidate
Jan. 26 (Wed) Ex-Dolphins HC Brian Flores has dinner with Schoen
Jan. 27 (Thu) Brian Flores interviews (satisfies Rooney Rule because it is in-person with someone outside organization)
Jan. 27 (Thu) Dan Quinn announces he is remaining as Cowboys DC
Jan. 28 (Fri) Leslie Frazier gets second interview, this time in-person, also satisfying Rooney Rule
Jan. 28 (Fri) Daboll hired as head coach
And they got their info from the Giants website
https://www.giants.com/news/head-coach-search-track-giants-latest-interviews
tylercsbn9 said:
The biggest bombshell in this should be the alleged pay to tank by the dolphins and the Brady thing in 19. Dolphins owner is ****ed if true
Granted, I haven't watched much of ESPN or the national coverage, but I can't believe people aren't hammering home that he was (allegedly) offered money to not win games.
Iowaggie said:tylercsbn9 said:
The biggest bombshell in this should be the alleged pay to tank by the dolphins and the Brady thing in 19. Dolphins owner is ****ed if true
Granted, I haven't watched much of ESPN or the national coverage, but I can't believe people aren't hammering home that he was (allegedly) offered money to not win games.
By his owner who's an investor in a online sports gambling company.
For me that's something that could result in Ross being forced to sell.
Ag-Yoakum95 said:AustinCountyAg said:
So the black guy is mad he didn't get the job so he's suing or he's mad he got interviewed only because he's black? Either way Flores is an idiot and the Rooney rule in general is racist. Lol.
Edit to add… this might be considered racist to some people but this is pretty good evidence for a lot of rich owners why not to hire a black coach. They seem entitled simply because they are black.
No joke. Why don't we see any Hispanic or Asian coaches getting pissed off for not even getting an interview? I know there are probably less of those races in the NFL but there have to be some that would be qualified to at least get an interview.
For the record, I'm pretty sure Flores is also Hispanic (family from Hondurus).
Seriously, it's pretty amazing that he came from immigrant parents who lived in a tough part of Brooklyn, to be paid millions to coach an NFL team.
Will probably be coaching in a USFL or other spring league soon.
Browns going to be feeling some heat now too.Iowaggie said:tylercsbn9 said:
The biggest bombshell in this should be the alleged pay to tank by the dolphins and the Brady thing in 19. Dolphins owner is ****ed if true
Granted, I haven't watched much of ESPN or the national coverage, but I can't believe people aren't hammering home that he was (allegedly) offered money to not win games.
For a guy who's only 40 and already been a head coach, this is a very bold move. I haven't read the lawsuit yet and employment discrimination law is not my specialty, but absent them uncovering some absolute smoking guns in discovery, I don't see this case being successful. Certainly not as successful as the next 30 years of coaching in the NFL would have been. And while he's taken the position that he's willing to risk his career for this cause, 'm not sure this lawsuit is going to be a net gain for minority coaches either.
I don't think he believed he would be a coach for 30 years and however long it was - he figured that most of those years would be a coordinator and below rather than HC.
I think the gambling piece is the key, as BBs texts hardly seem like something to end one's career on. (and his career is over, that's the fact)
I think the gambling piece is the key, as BBs texts hardly seem like something to end one's career on. (and his career is over, that's the fact)
diehard03 said:
I don't think he believed he would be a coach for 30 years and however long it was - he figured that most of those years would be a coordinator and below rather than HC.
I think the gambling piece is the key, as BBs texts hardly seem like something to end one's career on. (and his career is over, that's the fact)
When I said coach, I meant coach generically, not just head coach. Whether as a HC or coordinator, he would have made well over $1 mill/year.
The tampering/tanking allegations may have the most long term league impact. But I don't see how he has a cause of action over it.
He Colin Kaepernicked his chances in the NFL, all while still being a very favored name in the NFL, with many still claiming he deserved another head coaching chance. Wow what a torpedo.
Gig'em
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When I said coach, I meant coach generically, not just head coach. Whether as a HC or coordinator, he would have made well over $1 mill/year.
I know - it's clear that he wanted no part of that. Maybe he's had enough actual life experience to see the writing on the wall.
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He Colin Kaepernicked his chances in the NFL, all while still being a very favored name in the NFL, with many still claiming he deserved another head coaching chance.
That's kinda the point, right? He was blamed for being difficult to work with and he found himself in the "lets meet the Rooney Rule circuit" with a few teams. He was literally just fired for winning games.
The NFL creates the Rooney Rule, which requires NFL teams to interview ethnic minority candidates for head coaching and senior football operations job. The New York Giants interviewed two black candidates; Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier and former Miami Dolphins head coach Brian Flores before hiring Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Brian Daboll.
Brian Flores made a big gamble to sue the NFL and the New York Giants because he is only 40 years old and has already been an NFL head coach. It appears that Brian Flores really believed he was the best candidate for the head coaching job and is furious that it went to Brian Daboll. Flores will probably never become an NFL head coach again. He's willing to risk his career for this cause, but he is unlikely to prove systemic racism. Also, this lawsuit is unlikely going to be a net gain for future minority head coaching candidates.
Brian Flores made a big gamble to sue the NFL and the New York Giants because he is only 40 years old and has already been an NFL head coach. It appears that Brian Flores really believed he was the best candidate for the head coaching job and is furious that it went to Brian Daboll. Flores will probably never become an NFL head coach again. He's willing to risk his career for this cause, but he is unlikely to prove systemic racism. Also, this lawsuit is unlikely going to be a net gain for future minority head coaching candidates.
If this is what you think he's upset about, you haven't read the complaint.Iraq2xVeteran said:
The NFL creates the Rooney Rule, which requires NFL teams to interview ethnic minority candidates for head coaching and senior football operations job. The New York Giants interviewed two black candidates; Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier and former Miami Dolphins head coach Brian Flores before hiring Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Brian Daboll.
Brian Flores made a big gamble to sue the NFL and the New York Giants because he is only 40 years old and has already been an NFL head coach. It appears that Brian Flores really believed he was the best candidate for the head coaching job and is furious that it went to Brian Daboll. Flores will probably never become an NFL head coach again. He's willing to risk his career for this cause, but he is unlikely to prove systemic racism. Also, this lawsuit is unlikely going to be a net gain for future minority head coaching candidates.
So the Browns had a plan for the next 3-5 years assuming they would suck and lose a lot of games, how is that tanking? It's called planning. Hue Jackson is an idiot. He got paid to coach.
If Brian Flores gets another job and is fired after 3 years, will he play the race card (again)?
He's done.
If Brian Flores gets another job and is fired after 3 years, will he play the race card (again)?
He's done.
agreed. their is a difference between the browns telling the coach we aren't gunna spend money on big name FA, or make trades to improve the team vs telling them when it is third and ten run a full back dive.
And I've yet to read through the complaint but I'd imagine it's gonna be hard to prove he was passed up do to his race.
Yeah it's pretty shltty he was brought in for an interview after they made a decision but can he prove it was because he was black?
Yeah it's pretty shltty he was brought in for an interview after they made a decision but can he prove it was because he was black?
You're absolutely wrong. He got fired because he treated his staff like garbage, quit communicating with them around thanksgiving, disrespected his GM and owner, underperformed, could not hire a competent OC, did not have his team prepared to play at beginning of the season (started 1-7 after a 10-6 season), treated his 5th overall QB pick like crap, was difficult to work with, and acted like BB without the skins on the wall. I could go on and on, the firing was justified.
His lawsuit reeks of sour grapes and scorned ex-GF. If he had such integrity, why wait almost 3 years and after you've been fired to come out with the allegations against Ross and the dolphins? He should have spoke out then. He spent years in the NE organization and now wants to take the moral high ground of integrity…laughable.
I watched his interview on ESPN with greenie calling him the Rosa Parks of the NFL. Complete joke. The reality is if he had gotten the Giants job, we would have heard squat about any of his bs allegations. That doesn't make him Rosa Parks, that makes him a hypocrite.
His lawsuit reeks of sour grapes and scorned ex-GF. If he had such integrity, why wait almost 3 years and after you've been fired to come out with the allegations against Ross and the dolphins? He should have spoke out then. He spent years in the NE organization and now wants to take the moral high ground of integrity…laughable.
I watched his interview on ESPN with greenie calling him the Rosa Parks of the NFL. Complete joke. The reality is if he had gotten the Giants job, we would have heard squat about any of his bs allegations. That doesn't make him Rosa Parks, that makes him a hypocrite.
You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge... And definitely not just repeating all the narratives that were being circulated in the media. Which are directly addressed in the lawsuit... I guess we'll see how it plays out.
The "why didn't he come out with the allegations sooner" argument is really weak too.
The "why didn't he come out with the allegations sooner" argument is really weak too.
You seem to have no knowledge of the situation and didn't watch too many dolphins games. I liked Flo for a while and tried to look past his terrible coaching decisions for 3 seasons, because players seemed to play hard for him and the defense was solid. But the offensive side of the ball was completely inept. And he couldn't get it right. Burned through 4 OCs in 3 seasons (including a ridiculous decision to go w/ Co-OCs….Tri-OCs if you throw Charlie Frye in the mix). He was notorious for having atrocious game management and was about the worst I've ever seen when it comes to using his red flag challenges. His treatment of Tua was down right disrespectful. He jettisoned two O lineman in the off-season that went on to start all season for playoff teams , while keeping J. Davis at RT getting Tua mauled all year. I'm not sure what you think he did to deserve another year. Then you throw in his personality and he deserved to be fired. It's pretty telling when he didn't have players or coaches on the current team coming out defending him. They were glad he got the boot.
And I'm not sure why it is a "weak" argument that he should have said something earlier. If he's going to claim integrity, you can't claim it 3 years later after the alleged incident. And like I said, had he been hired by Giants, we don't hear any of this nonsense. He's a scorned ex-gf that's decided to go scorched earth because no one wants to hire him.
And I'm not sure why it is a "weak" argument that he should have said something earlier. If he's going to claim integrity, you can't claim it 3 years later after the alleged incident. And like I said, had he been hired by Giants, we don't hear any of this nonsense. He's a scorned ex-gf that's decided to go scorched earth because no one wants to hire him.
So if he landed the Giants job, does he file suit against 32 teams for racial discrimination, while throwing the broncos and dolphins under the bus?
I think you know the answer. He had an opportunity as a HC and blew it. Now he's crying because Daboll gets an opportunity to be a HC.
I think you know the answer. He had an opportunity as a HC and blew it. Now he's crying because Daboll gets an opportunity to be a HC.
The shot at Denver is partly what tells me this whole thing is bull***** This guy invented everything he could from the past 5 years. And I'd love to see actual evidence of what he's accusing the Miami owner of. Some extremely bold accusations. The $100k for every loss sounds like someone making a joke.
Like you said, we'll see what kind of evidence he has that he was fired for racial discrimination, didn't get another job because racial discrimination, and that Ross wanted to pay him to tank. Everyone in America knew the dolphins were tanking, just like they know when other organizations across the sports spectrum are tanking. The same way the bengals landed Burrow. It's why the NBA went to a lottery system. It's part of the game in order to change the direction of a franchise. Flores is a cry baby.
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You're absolutely wrong. He got fired because he treated his staff like garbage, quit communicating with them around thanksgiving, disrespected his GM and owner, underperformed, could not hire a competent OC, did not have his team prepared to play at beginning of the season (started 1-7 after a 10-6 season), treated his 5th overall QB pick like crap, was difficult to work with, and acted like BB without the skins on the wall. I could go on and on, the firing was justified.
His lawsuit reeks of sour grapes and scorned ex-GF. If he had such integrity, why wait almost 3 years and after you've been fired to come out with the allegations against Ross and the dolphins? He should have spoke out then. He spent years in the NE organization and now wants to take the moral high ground of integrity…laughable.
I didn't know Schefter posted here...
Here's what I wonder. If he heard from Belichick the day before his interview that the Giants had already decided on Daboll and honestly believed that, how impressive do you think he was in his interview? I find it hard to believe he could blow the Giants out of the water if he thought the job was already gone. There's a real possibility the job was still up for grabs and he lost it by going into the interview believing the decision had been made.
The NFL isn't the only profession where people walk into an interview knowing they are not the pick. When that happens you have 2 logical options... Call them out on it in the interview in a respectful way and see how they respond, or the better option, go in knowing you're the odd man out and do everything you can to make them want you more.
Flores chose neither apparently and decided to cry about it.
Flores chose neither apparently and decided to cry about it.
I've interviewed for several jobs knowing I wasn't getting the job.
And a few of them I knew I wasn't getting because of the color of my skin. How about them apples Flores.
And a few of them I knew I wasn't getting because of the color of my skin. How about them apples Flores.
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When that happens you have 2 logical options... Call them out on it in the interview in a respectful way and see how they respond, or the better option, go in knowing you're the odd man out and do everything you can to make them want you more.
Flores chose neither apparently and decided to cry about it.
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that he did neither.
We know he didn't do the first because it's not in his lawsuit. If he had confronted them on whether the job was already taken at his interview, that would have definitely been included.diehard03 said:Quote:
When that happens you have 2 logical options... Call them out on it in the interview in a respectful way and see how they respond, or the better option, go in knowing you're the odd man out and do everything you can to make them want you more.
Flores chose neither apparently and decided to cry about it.
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that he did neither.
As for the second scenario, what about anything he has done or said since he went public would give you the idea he went into an interview he thought was a sham but still put on a smile and tried to knock it out of the park? He does not give off that attitude.
And, look, I admittedly have no idea but what I've seen and heard from him, he doesn't really seem capable of gladhanding with people he's internally despising.
redag06 said:
I've interviewed for several jobs knowing I wasn't getting the job.
And a few of them I knew I wasn't getting because of the color of my skin. How about them apples Flores.
Which is wrong and there should be consequences.
Macarthur said:redag06 said:
I've interviewed for several jobs knowing I wasn't getting the job.
And a few of them I knew I wasn't getting because of the color of my skin. How about them apples Flores.
Which is wrong and there should be consequences.
What if he's white? That still your answer?
You keep saying "if he had gotten the Giants job" when his ENTIRE case hinges on the fact that he was never going to get that job. What happened, happened. Hypotheticals don't matter.The System said:
So if he landed the Giants job, does he file suit against 32 teams for racial discrimination, while throwing the broncos and dolphins under the bus?
I think you know the answer. He had an opportunity as a HC and blew it. Now he's crying because Daboll gets an opportunity to be a HC.
Now he's just got to prove that it happened.
(And for the record, i'm not saying that i know this is what happened, but rather this is what Flores is saying happened.)
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