Bills versus Broncos - 4th Qtr thread

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MookieBlaylock said:

so you a re titans fan

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By the way, doesn't all this end of game controversy prove the NFL is NOT rigged? I mean, I'm pretty sure that CBS wanted Josh Allen in the conference championship game next week and NBC wanted Allen in the Super Bowl. Instead, we will see Stidham vs Maye/Stroud for a right to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.
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txagman1998 said:

By the way, doesn't all this end of game controversy prove the NFL is NOT rigged? I mean, I'm pretty sure that CBS wanted Josh Allen in the conference championship game next week and NBC wanted Allen in the Super Bowl. Instead, we will see Stidham vs Maye/Stroud for a right to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

Denver is 3x times the size of Buffalo. TV wise, Denver is a better choice for the networks.
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Coppell97 said:



Unfortunately you have to survive the ground in that kind of catch, and he clearly did not.
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PatAg said:

Coppell97 said:



Unfortunately you have to survive the ground in that kind of catch, and he clearly did not.

that's bull honkey, the ground cannot cause a fumble and as soon as the receiver secures possession and a limb hits the ground when the opposing force touches him. He is down by contact.

it was a completely subjective ruling by the zebras who have marching orders from the head office.
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PatAg said:

Coppell97 said:



Unfortunately you have to survive the ground in that kind of catch, and he clearly did not.

that's the real tell-tale sign of why it was an INT
If he had hit the ground and dropped the ball, no one would have questioned it was an incomplete pass.
This is the same thing, just with a change of possession. He had the ball and when the "football" move portion of the play was over, he no longer had it.
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CharleyKerfeld said:

PatAg said:

Coppell97 said:



Unfortunately you have to survive the ground in that kind of catch, and he clearly did not.

that's the real tell-tale sign of why it was an INT
If he had hit the ground and dropped the ball, no one would have questioned it was an incomplete pass.
This is the same thing, just with a change of possession. He had the ball and when the "football" move portion of the play was over, he no longer had it.

it was not an incomplete pass nor was it a fumble. the receiver had clear possession of the football when he landed and the defender downed him by contact.

that's like having your dog eat the filet mignon you just grilled straight out of your hand and the result is something akin to Minneapolis.

Got it.
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AgFrogfan said:

CharleyKerfeld said:

PatAg said:

Coppell97 said:



Unfortunately you have to survive the ground in that kind of catch, and he clearly did not.

that's the real tell-tale sign of why it was an INT
If he had hit the ground and dropped the ball, no one would have questioned it was an incomplete pass.
This is the same thing, just with a change of possession. He had the ball and when the "football" move portion of the play was over, he no longer had it.

it was not an incomplete pass nor was it a fumble. the receiver had clear possession of the football when he landed and the defender downed him by contact.

that's like having your dog eat the filet mignon you just grilled straight out of your hand and the result is something akin to Minneapolis.

Got it.

Unless there's some other angle, I don't believe you see him with clear possession of the ball as he's fully goingto the ground . You see their arms together.
I have no idea what the Minneapolis reference means.
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CharleyKerfeld said:

AgFrogfan said:

CharleyKerfeld said:

PatAg said:

Coppell97 said:



Unfortunately you have to survive the ground in that kind of catch, and he clearly did not.

that's the real tell-tale sign of why it was an INT
If he had hit the ground and dropped the ball, no one would have questioned it was an incomplete pass.
This is the same thing, just with a change of possession. He had the ball and when the "football" move portion of the play was over, he no longer had it.

it was not an incomplete pass nor was it a fumble. the receiver had clear possession of the football when he landed and the defender downed him by contact.

that's like having your dog eat the filet mignon you just grilled straight out of your hand and the result is something akin to Minneapolis.

Got it.

Unless there's some other angle, I don't believe you see him with clear possession of the ball as he's fully goingto the ground . You see their arms together.
I have no idea what the Minneapolis reference means.

Charley, I'm certainly no opthamologist since I've worn contact lenses since 3rd grade but it was glaringly obvious he secured possession; was tackled by the defender and downed by contact before the defender stripped the ball and secured it.

I really dont care either which way. Roger Goodelll is so egocentric that he'll draw as much money from the NFL to make his family a fortune. The past few "Commissioners" never played a single down in their life.

Let's bring the gridiron back to Bert Bell. He'd surely be ashamed to witness the pompousness the league he helped build has become.

Win 4 Virginia

Edit: Joe Torre was born in Brooklyn, NY and now the LA Dodgers sign every single player to a max contract. He is the MLB's "Special Assistant to the Commissioner". I wonder what sweet cut he gets from the take.

The Mafia beat the system so they could pay off those catholic prayers. Lol



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Per the rule, there are 3 elements to a catch. All of you saying he had possession and down by contact are only talking about 2 of the elements. It was the correct call. I'm not even sure the first element was ever completed anyway. I never saw his hands clearly grasping the ball.
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If a player, who satisfied (a) and (b), but has not satisfied (c), contacts the ground and loses control of the ball, it is an incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before he regains control, or if he regains control out of bounds.


By the wording of the rule, it's not a catch for Cooks.
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AgFrogfan said:

CharleyKerfeld said:

AgFrogfan said:

CharleyKerfeld said:

PatAg said:

Coppell97 said:



Unfortunately you have to survive the ground in that kind of catch, and he clearly did not.

that's the real tell-tale sign of why it was an INT
If he had hit the ground and dropped the ball, no one would have questioned it was an incomplete pass.
This is the same thing, just with a change of possession. He had the ball and when the "football" move portion of the play was over, he no longer had it.

it was not an incomplete pass nor was it a fumble. the receiver had clear possession of the football when he landed and the defender downed him by contact.

that's like having your dog eat the filet mignon you just grilled straight out of your hand and the result is something akin to Minneapolis.

Got it.

Unless there's some other angle, I don't believe you see him with clear possession of the ball as he's fully goingto the ground . You see their arms together.
I have no idea what the Minneapolis reference means.

Charley, I'm certainly no opthamologist since I've worn contact lenses since 3rd grade but it was glaringly obvious he secured possession; was tackled by the defender and downed by contact before the defender stripped the ball and secured it.

I really dont care either which way. Roger Goodelll is so egocentric that he'll draw as much money from the NFL to make his family a fortune. The past few "Commissioners" never played a single down in their life.

Let's bring the gridiron back to Bert Bell. He'd surely be ashamed to witness the pompousness the league he helped build has become.

Win 4 Virginia

Edit: Joe Torre was born in Brooklyn, NY and now the LA Dodgers sign every single player to a max contract. He is the MLB's "Special Assistant to the Commissioner". I wonder what sweet cut he gets from the take.

The Mafia beat the system so they could pay off those catholic prayers. Lol





He lost control of the ball before the whistle blew, it doesn't matter how.
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The Nix injury play. He pops up quickly but then you can see a bit of a hitch in his walk and then it's like he is trying to jog something off. Lots of adrenaline pumping at this point in the game



That was an INT, but there were some curious decisions on what to flag vs not flag late in that game. they weren't consistent both ways
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Enviroag02 said:

Per the rule, there are 3 elements to a catch. All of you saying he had possession and down by contact are only talking about 2 of the elements. It was the correct call. I'm not even sure the first element was ever completed anyway. I never saw his hands clearly grasping the ball.



How is this for visual proof? only a Broncos fans or Baghdad Bob Gene Salvatore would support a call of INT.
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At this point you guys have to be trying to be intentionally obtuse. 3 elements. A, B, and C.

You also can't even clearly see his hands grasping the ball. It actually looks to me like he's got it kinda pinned with his forearms instead, but again he doesn't survive the ground anyway.
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Wrighty said:

Enviroag02 said:

Per the rule, there are 3 elements to a catch. All of you saying he had possession and down by contact are only talking about 2 of the elements. It was the correct call. I'm not even sure the first element was ever completed anyway. I never saw his hands clearly grasping the ball.



How is this for visual proof? only a Broncos fans or Baghdad Bob Gene Salvatore would support a call of INT.

Part of your visual proof is a photo where you can't see the football at all?
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My thoughts

Bills WR just hold on to the ball all the way and my guess is they say it's a Bills completion.
Gig ‘Em Baby!
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did the refs review this play ?
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aggiepaintrain said:

did the refs review this play ?


Refs no, league in New York, yes
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Not a bills fan, but they got robbed. At least the Broncos won't be going to the Super Bowl.
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Panama Red said:

aggiepaintrain said:

did the refs review this play ?


Refs no, league in New York, yes


yes the league that is invested and partnerered with every gambling site, reviewed the play

makes it even worser
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If the WR held on to the ball, then none of this would have happened. Not the refs fault
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DiNucci likely to be the emergency 3rd QB behind Stidham and Ehlinger.

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Not the same play.

The Cooks play was a tackle while going to the ground with a catch simultaneously so the ground was key, which he didn't survive.

The Adams play was a catch, feet down, securing of the catch (tucking), then tackle. The ground isn't an element in this play because he'd already made the football move (tucking the ball). Cooks didn't do that.
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Bills head coach just fired. Wow.
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98-50 and 6 straight seasons of 11 wins or more. I get the postseason frustration but most of the issue is their timing with KCs peak was just bad. Feel like they will end up regretting this
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the Bills have been reading texags

gotta break up the McDermott-Allen combo -- it's just not working / advancing

getting to the playoffs each year is not enough
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Enviroag02 said:

Not the same play.

The Cooks play was a tackle while going to the ground with a catch simultaneously so the ground was key, which he didn't survive.

The Adams play was a catch, feet down, securing of the catch (tucking), then tackle. The ground isn't an element in this play because he'd already made the football move (tucking the ball). Cooks didn't do that.


The fact that this makes a difference just shows how absurd the NFL's catch rule is.
 
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