Measuring Effectiveness of Weather-Sealing Efforts with HVAC Data

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I don't know if it gets nerdier than when I willingly decide to work on this on my day off.

I have an Ecobee Thermostat, which tracks datapoints and lets you download the history month-to-month.

We've had extremely high electricity bills this past summer. It's a new house to us (built in 84), so the bills were definitely a shock. I wanted to do what we could to weather-seal the house before winter hits, and then measure those efforts with the Ecobee data. Of course, I need to do this as cheaply as possible. We may reinsulate the attic at some point, but that isn't in the budget at the moment.

Here are the efforts I've taken towards weather-sealing:

  • Front door had some gaps and wasn't sealing tight against the vinyl. I added a strip of rubber weatherstrip along the door jamb and adjusted the strike plate so it would still latch and sit tight against the rubber. My immediate thought was that the seal was extremely tight.
  • There were two static windows that had gaps. 3/4 inch (HUGE gap, I know), the other was a small crack, maybe 1 mm. I stuffed foam caulk saver into the larger gap and sealed it with window glazing. The smaller gap was just filled with window glazing.
  • Our house doesn't have a traditional attic. No storage space except for the HVAC, and, there is a door to access this. It's basically a small interior door. It's not a ceiling access. Whenever we have certain doors upstairs closed and the HVAC is running, air from the attic pulls into the house from that door. I added strips of weatherstrip along the jamb and the bottom. Seems to be effective. I don't feel any attic air coming in when the HVAC is running. Before, you could hear it whooshing in. I need to add some sort of relief for this in the future, like a flow vent, but I can keep the upstairs door open most of the time until then.

Onto the data.

To measure the effectiveness, I'm thinking of using a simple ratio measured week to week as the weather fluctuates. Do I need to weight the ratio with our desired indoor temp somehow? That's 75 during the day, 72 at night.

Average Fan Running Hours Per Day (by week) / Average Outside Temp (by week)

In my mind, if the weather-sealing is effective, the house temp shouldn't fluctuate as much, therefore resulting in a lower ratio. However, it feels like something is missing. How do I incorporate our set indoor temp? Also, there are certain factors out of my control, such as the kids leaving the back door open, but what are you going to do? Very curious to hear other's thoughts on this idea.
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I think you have done the best you can. For cooling, blocking the sun can make a difference if you have any windows without blinds or curtains. I am curious how much useable data you will get. There are so many variables with AC depending on outside temperature, what heat generating equipment you have on for long periods of times, etc. before you even get to the average temperature you have your Tstat set at that I feel like it will be difficult to get a hard number.

My only good way is to look at last years monthly bill in the same time period for comparison. But even then, that can differ drastically.
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Have a blower door test done. Should not be that expensive and will give you a better idea of the air leakage in your house.

Better yet, have an energy audit / assessment done. Many electric providers will come out and do a basic one for free.

We have CoServ, though others provide as well.

https://www.coserv.com/energy-solutions/energy-savings/energy-assessments/
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Great thoughts all around. I think this is definitely a situation where time will tell.

I also like the idea of having a blower door test done. I'll have to see if I can get one done in my area.

I realize I didn't post any actual data yesterday so I thought I'd rectify that. Spoiler: Hot sun makes AC go brrr.

I'll update this thread again if anybody is interested.



Interactive graph:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTCAqAOTWLalwejDkV-0EluTnUiViIAoK7SR_eXEVIuuc0FHfUthKbcULEFfcLuIt1SYK7HQNZ4hLxL/pubchart?oid=1465831011&format=interactive
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Also, here is a comparison between the outdoor temp and the weighted efficiency ratio (lower is better).

The weighted efficiency ratio I am using right now is as follows: =(((Average Indoor Temp/Average Outdoor Temp)*Average Fan Hours)/Average Outdoor Temp)

Example: (((73.91/77.7)*8.83)/77.7)=0.108

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTCAqAOTWLalwejDkV-0EluTnUiViIAoK7SR_eXEVIuuc0FHfUthKbcULEFfcLuIt1SYK7HQNZ4hLxL/pubchart?oid=301410091&format=interactive

Btw, I am totally making this **** up as I go along. If someone who works in statistics and also has experience making homes more efficient wants to come and put me in my place, I welcome it. But if my weathersealing efforts have been effective, I would expect a lower weighted efficiency ratio over time with comparable outdoor temps. That would mean my AC is running less despite the temperature outside.
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This thread reminded me of this video. They do a lot of videos on sealing houses up for air/bugs.

lb3
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Do your AC supply ducts have a leak that is blowing cold air into your attic? That could explain the positive pressure pushing air across the attic door.
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lb3 said:

Do your AC supply ducts have a leak that is blowing cold air into your attic? That could explain the positive pressure pushing air across the attic door.



We did a pretty major remodel before moving in. The upstairs area used to have a pony wall that we closed off for my office, adding a door in the process. When we closed it off, we didn't think to add any jump vents to account for balance.

Closing the door creates negative pressure in the room relative to the attic and the rest of the house. Keeping it open circumvents the issue.
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Maybe add a small return register in that room?
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Been about a month, so I'm sharing an update. I think this is one of those things where time will tell, but so far I'm encouraged by the data. The fan is hardly running at all, and that includes when the heater runs. I installed the weather stripping on 11/3, and you will see a sharp dip in the Efficiency Ratio around that time. Up to that point, the ratio was matching the fluctuations in outdoor temp.

It's not lost on me that the cool weather is playing a huge factor here. But my fingers are crossed for the coming months.


Published data here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTCAqAOTWLalwejDkV-0EluTnUiViIAoK7SR_eXEVIuuc0FHfUthKbcULEFfcLuIt1SYK7HQNZ4hLxL/pubchart?oid=301410091&format=interactive
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SockStilkings said:

Have a blower door test done. Should not be that expensive and will give you a better idea of the air leakage in your house.

Better yet, have an energy audit / assessment done. Many electric providers will come out and do a basic one for free.

We have CoServ, though others provide as well.

https://www.coserv.com/energy-solutions/energy-savings/energy-assessments/


This is the way
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How much are you willing to spend on this problem?
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Global Warming said:

How much are you willing to spend on this problem?


For now? Not a lot. In the future, I'll get the attic insulation redone, change the roof exhaust fans, add different zones for the AC, and get new windows for the front of the house (already did the back). I may even invest in solar.

Baby steps.
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House wrap. If the house doesn't have house wrap under the siding/brick/whatever, good luck getting much change. We have an older house, 1955 build, 2400 sqft. in Navasota. We added a bunch of attic fans, new windows and new HVAC in the last 5 years. We haven't added more attic insulation, but we have about 6 inches already. We had about a 5% drop in electrical costs the year after changing windows, no drop after HVAC change or roof fans. Now, I haven't tracked actual electric usage, just cost. Maybe our electrical usage went down the year after HVAC, but cost of electricity probably went up.

I know we would fail a blower test. When it snowed a couple years ago, we had a 18 inch ring around the house that was bare of snow, actually green grass, because we were leaking so much air because we don't have a house wrap.

I am seriously considering the next house project to be a complete siding change house wrap addition under the siding, but the ROI will probably never come. Our average electric bill for the last year is about 250 per month, up about 5% from last year, I attribute that to the weather. Our current siding looks good and not sure we would see much of a house value rise with new siding and even with a 50% decline in electrical costs, it would take 15 years to pay for itself.

However, we need a new kitchen and bathroom first…….gotta love older houses.
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You can see where you are loosing heat or cold with one of these.
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OP- Check out Beestat.io The guy that developed has some interesting data analysis tools as well.
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Did you get a quote for new siding and wrap for your house? Ours is same age, little bit smaller, pier and beam, outside of Navasota. Our siding is getting a little tired, so we could probably use it anyways. I just don't really have any idea what it would cost.
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We have not yet. Honestly, I'm a little scared of what it will be
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