Marathon from Bungie - Releases March 5th - $39.99

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Dude, you are smoking some good stuff. This isnt some tiny indie dev studio publishing their first game. This is a AAA title with a budget of an estimated 250MM from the legendary studio BUNGIE. These numbers are an absolute ****show for that. This past weekend was supposed to be THE slam for them and they couldn't put up anything numbers wise. Bungie already pushed critics to not post their reviews until they release an endgame zone, trying to stave off the death knell they know is coming.


From pure statistics:
~500k steam sales from tracker
Lets give them a huge benefit of the doubt and make consoles 1MM sales.
1.5MM Copies sold after all the hype has died weeks after launch and sustain numbers are dropping

$40 base game
$60 delux
Lets say a 90/10 split as base game copies always vastly outnumber delux.

1,350,000 x $40 = 54,000,0000
135,000 x $60 = 9,000,000

$63,000,000 - the 30% platform/store cut = $44,100,000 in sales revenue. Now take uncle sams cut from on top of that.

You are not even to 1/5th of your estimated spend yet in revenue before taxes! Microtransactions aint making up a $200MM+ shortfall just to break even from a revenue standpoint, this aint GTA5 and most players will never buy a skin or other cosmetic for real money. Now you are also blowing more money on dev work trying to patch in missing content and ongoing server costs piling more onto the top just to break even. If they are lucky, they might offset server costs overtime with microtransactions which requires players to keep buying while playing. Tiny and shrinking concurrent player base mean less and less microtransactions.
AggiEE
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Those tracker sales estimates are totally unreliable some of them are higher than 700k on Steam alone. You're just making up numbers at this point and your assumptions are flawed. Sony gets 100% of the store cut (not 70%), and most of those 1 million in sales you estimate are from PS5. Sony also gets recurring revenue from anyone that signs up to PS+ just to play the game online.

We do not know the budget. We do not know the sales. We do not know how many deluxe versions were purchased. We do not know how many MTX are monetized. We do know that games like Helldivers generate more in MTX than on new sales. We do not know what the maintenance costs are going forward but they are dramatically lower than the initial development cost. Just stop making assumptions.

All we know is that it currently has a higher daily player count than many popular MP titles and has some of the highest user scores in the genre as well. By all indications it's a great game by nearly everyone that's invested time into it

But continue occupying head space and irrational hatred against the game for no apparent reason whatsoever.
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From the videos I've seen its another slop looter shooter and has no relevance to the original games outside of the name....

My dissapointment is immense yet again.
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AggiEE
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Nealthedestroyer said:

From the videos I've seen its another slop looter shooter and has no relevance to the original games outside of the name....

My dissapointment is immense yet again.


I doubt you even played the original games given how unoriginal and dismissive you are calling something "slop" that you haven't even played.

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AggiEE said:

Nealthedestroyer said:

From the videos I've seen its another slop looter shooter and has no relevance to the original games outside of the name....

My dissapointment is immense yet again.


I doubt you even played the original games given how unoriginal and dismissive you are calling something "slop" that you haven't even played.



Lol. K.
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AggiEE said:

Nealthedestroyer said:

From the videos I've seen its another slop looter shooter and has no relevance to the original games outside of the name....

My dissapointment is immense yet again.


I doubt you even played the original games given how unoriginal and dismissive you are calling something "slop" that you haven't even played.



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AggiEE said:

All we know is that it currently has a higher daily player count than many popular MP titles and has some of the highest user scores in the genre as well. By all indications it's a great game by nearly everyone that's invested time into it


I don't have a dog in this fight but it is down from its peak players a week after launch. That isn't a good trend, especially when you compare it to something like Arc Raiders that didn't dip below the initial launch numbers until 3-4 months after it was released.

Given what Sony paid for Bungie and how Destiny is currently preforming i guessing there has to be some disappointment in yet another live service game that is probably not having the performance they imagined.
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AgDev01 said:

AggiEE said:

All we know is that it currently has a higher daily player count than many popular MP titles and has some of the highest user scores in the genre as well. By all indications it's a great game by nearly everyone that's invested time into it


I don't have a dog in this fight but it is down from its peak players a week after launch. That isn't a good trend, especially when you compare it to something like Arc Raiders that didn't dip below the initial launch numbers until 3-4 months after it was released.

Given what Sony paid for Bungie and how Destiny is currently preforming i guessing there has to be some disappointment in yet another live service game that is probably not having the performance they imagined.


There is a spectrum of commercial success. While obviously every game wants to reach the level of Arc raiders, it is a very large outlier. Doesn't mean that games that do not reach Arc are failures.

I actually applaud Bungie for making an overtly difficult game that demands a lot from its players and those that commit to learning everything involved are rewarded with one of the best MP games out there IMO. This will inherently limit the potential audience compared to something a lot more casual like Arc

The numbers are actually quite stable so far and there will be cyclicality throughout the week and higher activity on weekends, which is a good outcome compared to the likes of other titles that cratered to nothing. It means there's no chance of it getting shut down.

The question of whether the acquisition was worth it is tangential, but they can't go back and undo it so moving forward the upfront cost is complete so they can continue to evolve and update marathon with a much smaller team since it doesn't demand nearly as much upkeep as something like Destiny.

So while marathon may or may not generate an ROI in year one, it could end up generating it in subsequent years with minimal upkeep. There's many examples of such online service games that succeeded with an engaged base with a slow burn of a launch. We even see series get pretty massive spikes when new content drops that excites the audience.
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AggiEE
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The Unforgiven said:




if you enjoy a competitive multiplayer shooter, this is some of the absolute best out there. It's a shame that many people will just write it off without playing it.

I don't care about peak player counts as long as there's enough people playing it, which there is

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Real question...are you on the dev team? I just can't fathom any other reason that someone would spend so much time goaltending a milquetoast extraction shooter from a failing company,
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AggiEE
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agdoc2001 said:

Real question...are you on the dev team? I just can't fathom any other reason that someone would spend so much time goaltending a milquetoast extraction shooter from a failing company,


Nope, weird comment though when you have a sea of hive minded posters coming out of the woods to dogpile click bait YouTube grifting videos to crap on it

What is their agenda exactly? Who is paying them for this game to live rent free in their smooth brained minds? I don't litter up threads of games I'm not interested in

Have you actually put in hours to call it milquetoast or are you just another one of those people ignorantly talking out of their backsides?

Real question…


Fenrir
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Coming out of the woods is a bit strong of a description of what's happening here. Prior to my post there are 46 posts in here and 24 of them are yours. Most people are ignoring this post. Your activity in here more closely resembles some sort of bot activity or someone affiliated with the product.

I've only really started reading this thread for the entertainment of watching someone breathlessly defend something against any and all critiques and calling anyone who disagrees with you that it's the pinnacle of video games stupid.
AggiEE
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Fenrir said:

Coming out of the woods is a bit strong of a description of what's happening here. Prior to my post there are 46 posts in here and 24 of them are yours. Most people are ignoring this post. Your activity in here more closely resembles some sort of bot activity or someone affiliated with the product.

I've only really started reading this thread for the entertainment of watching someone breathlessly defend something against any and all critiques and calling anyone who disagrees with you that it's the pinnacle of video games stupid.


I was hoping to get some people talking about this game. Strange, I know, in a forum where there are other threads where people try and team up and play games together and discuss actual thoughts of playing it

Only thing I've seen here are the ones coming out of the woods to post about CCU counts, spread BS about the dev, or post clickbait

Enjoy, I'll bow out and y'all can do as you please in your little echo chamber
Nealthedestroyer
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Extraction looter shooter = dogwater

Theres no soul to it
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