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So we are going to Philmont..

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https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/3292776
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Outfitting my son now for his trip this summer - they are just doing a 7 day trek.

I wasn't ready physically and/or gear wise when I went in 1989 - spending the money to make sure his trip is better gear wise and working to have him more physically prepared.
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There is a lot better gear available today at a much better price point. I'm a bit of a gear hound but remember you did just fine at Philmont with what you had in 89, he'll be fine with whatever you send him with.
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Always wanted to go but just never made it. Probably too old and fat now ND my kid never joined the BSA. Had a good friend who worked there a year or two and loved it. Enjoy your trip!
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Just a sampling of the first several post and opinions vary wildly:
BigO93 said:

Congrats on the Philmont trip, it's awesome. My son & I wore Merrill gore Tex boots 1/2 size larger than our normal boot size, with synthetic sock liners and good wool socks.
mpl35 said:

I would never go with goretex. Feet sweat. Water goes over the top. Then they don't dry out. I like a nice trail runner. Have fun
agsalaska said:

Not a gortex fan for NM. I wore football cleats. Nike Sharks. If I was going back there today I would go to Academy and buy another pair. I actually look occasionally to see if they are still made and they are, though sometimes called something different. But I have hiked hundreds of New Mexico miles in football cleats.
jdc98 said:

I wore Lowa Renegade GTX and was super happy with them. I Saw several rangers and cons folks wearing the same. For hiking boots I buy 1/2 size up for room for thick socks and liners. Several in our crew wore trail runners or low-top hiking shoes. I thought about trail runners as the Philmont trails are typically great condition. However, I knew we were going over Baldy which has a lot of loose rock that I wanted more ankle support.
Ultimately, your feet and preferences are going to be different than mine or someone else's.

I've worn regular hiking boots, 8" military boots, and now do most of my hiking in Altra trail running shoes. My toes appreciate the wide foot box and I don't mind the lack of ankle support. In fact, I appreciate their light weight.

Try on what you think you want, with the socks you think you want. Don't need to add an arbitrary 1/2 size if you start with your desired hiking sock from the beginning.
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The sizing piece is easy - wear the sock(s) you plan on hiking in when trying your boots on. Do your fitting in the afternoon / evening as foot size/ swelling will be at maximum level. Dont guess at 1/2 to full size bigger because of what you expect your sock combo to be.
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REI sells used gear, footwear and clothing online and in-store from time to time. I have bought quite a bit of it and the stuff has been in good shape.
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I guess sock thickness can play into it but I was always told that the 1/2 size larger is because your feet swell after big milage days and if your toes are constantly up against the front of your shoe (like when going downhill) you're going to lose a toenail.

It happened to me the first time we hiked the Grand Canyon and it didn't happen the second time we did after I sized up a 1/2 size.
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This. It is about your feet swelling. I like looser shoes anyway with a nice toe box so to me I don't need to size up. But if you are on the tighter end of the shoe spectrum, you might consider it.
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I'll share, although there are a lot of posters here with much more experience than I have.

I've only been once. I believe it was 2006, the summer before I started high school. Most of our crew was the same age. I was the crew leader.

I was in decent shape playing football/basketball in school. There were two kids that weren't, and we ended up distributing a lot of their gear amongst the rest of the crew to lighten their packs. One of our scoutmasters (the dad of the two kids that had issues, believe it or not) struggled quite a bit himself. He is a pilot, and I remember him huffing and puffing up a trail and saying, "If I was flying, they'd make me wear an oxygen mask at this altitude." I will say, that was the closest thing to a complaint that I heard out of him.

I see a lot of posts about non-Gor-tex footwear. I remember it raining heavy every single afternoon (late July) and getting caught on the trail in one bad storm and hiking in a lot of mud. Personally, I would suggest waterproof footwear. I had a pair of Merrells at the time. I would wear my Asolo Fugitives if I were to go back today. Go somewhere like REI where you can try on a lot of footwear. I'm a huge fan of Darn Tough socks.

As I mentioned earlier, it rained a ton. I would also recommend a good set of rain gear and pack cover.

I don't remember a whole lot about the food, other than there was a lot of it. I think I actually gained weight from the seemingly endless supply of lara bars and banana chips. We had dehydrated rice and beans the first night. Our guide kept messing up the ratios of water vs. food (possibly intentionally), until we'd prepared it all. We were all almost sick by the time we got it all down.

It was an awesome trip and a great experience. It was the highlight of my scouting career, and pushing 20 years later, I'd say is one of my most formative leadership experiences that has helped set me up for success later in life.
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rwtxag83 said:

Merrell Moab Boots. Different heights to suit you, low, mid, and 8". Very comfortable, tough as nails. I've worn them for years.


I went this summer and my son and I both wore these with smartwool socks. Held up great.
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The best toe box you'll ever have are going to be with Chacos. Sandy did have some good advice. Hiking and backpacking with them is great. Wish I had known that secret before my Philmont trek.
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The Chacos I have are much heavier then my Tevas.
mpl35
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I also really like gators. Of course I usually wear shorts so having the dirt/rock protection is nice.
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These days I just go with Rainbows. Sure the ankle support and arch support are lacking, but i make it up with less weight and cool style points. Though the Reefs have the built in bottle opener which is handy when carrying a six pack of beer on the trail.

Don't brand them until after you get off the trail though. Word is that some PCs at Clark's will let you brand yourself. If you don't have a slash crazy s on your hip, did you even philmont?
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One of my rangers when I was a Rayado participant did the whole thing in rainbows. Rolled into Cyphers an hour or two behind the rest of us because he managed to pick his way across the 800 stream crossings without getting wet.
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Haven't read the thread yet, but me and my older son hiked Philmont last summer.

We were on a 12 day "strenuous" trek with a published mileage of 62 miles with some significant elevation changes. My Garmin watch logged >115 miles on the hike however.

One of the biggest "arguments" on Philmont gear is footwear - boots or trail runners.

I would recommend trying something of each and decide what works for you best. I wore Artreyu trail shoes because I have extremely flat feet and needed a no arch shoe. I easily bought and returned over 20 pairs of shoes before I found those.

After the hike, the shoes were smoked. But my feet never hurt because of my shoes. Between those trail runners and darn tough socks, my feet never hurt and never blistered.

One argument against trail runners is ankle support. I am also prone to rolling ankles, so I deliberately wanted low v. high ankle footwear. If I was going to roll and ankle, I wanted low v. high sprain. I can hike and run through a low sprain but not high. So I didn't want that taking me off trail.

One big argument against boots is they're significantly more heavy on your feet than trail runners. After all of our mileage, we were trying to find ways to shed as much weight as we could. Especially when we had to hike long days uphill into a dry site.

I would also tell you to get Ex-Officio underwear. Those of us on trek that wore those never had any chafing issues. Kids that wore cheaper britches were miserable after a few days.

clem93
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I also wore Ex-Officio during our trek in 2014 and had zero issues. I have since changed to Duluth Armachillo with great results: https://www.duluthtrading.com/s/DTC/mens-armachillo-cooling-extra-long-boxer-briefs-83736.html?color=BBL

In high humidity areas or hikes with water crossings I always take Anti Monkey-Butt anti friction powder. Actually, it never leaves my backpack.
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clem93 said:

Actually, it never leaves my backpack.
U gonna die! /Ursus
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ccard257 said:

clem93 said:

Actually, it never leaves my backpack.
U gonna die! /Ursus


Pro Sandy
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I prefer a cold trout when I have issues in that region of the body, but to each his own.
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Just following up…
The trip was amazing. We all made it, and I can't wait to go back. The weather was picture perfect. It was hot on some days, but we're from Texas. It rained on some days, but we're from Texas. We definitely did not experience the Philmont monsoon season, I have heard about. I'm just so proud of all of the boys. We had several young guys, and they were complete troopers. We had a few of us old guys, and we were complete poopers, but we got it done.
I always regretted not being able to go when I was a scout.
I vowed to go with my sons one day in 1989.
That arrowhead on my shirt was 35 years overdue.
Thank you all for your advice.
It was just the best experience.
Thank you, Jesus!


God's Peace,
Chuck

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Quote:


I would also tell you to get Ex-Officio underwear.

I've heard this brand come up multiple times for Northern Tier as well. Are they paying someone to promote them lol!?
It's just standard polyester material, nothing special about it... I wear a different brand and had no issues.
I actually wish I brought my merino boxers for the anti-stink factor.
It's not so much you have to wear a particular brand, just stay away from cotton & you'll be good.
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I'm 47 and went w my son last summer after going twice as a boy. Went back 30 years to the month. Fantastic experience.

I wasn't in great shape last Jan but got to decent shape before we went. My doc said to me "losing 10 lbs will be like carrying 10lbs less on your knees." Made a lot of sense and definitely helped. Legs were good and I had the strength, but if I did it all over again I'd do more cardio to try and be more ready for the altitude.

You've got good gear recs already. I debated trail runners but ended up w boots. Liked the ankle support.

Gear I'm glad I had: hiking sticks and extra padding for bed. The only thing I took "extra" was a second sleeping pad. Did the eggshell accordion thing and a light Nemo air filled. Extra comfort there was worth the 11oz to me.

Have an awesome experience!

Edit: just realized this was an old thread, but maybe it helps someone in the future.
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Got back from Philmont a couple weeks ago but had fun reading this old thread. Lots of good recommendations but I'll call out that shoes are a personal preference and need to be tried out. My son used gore tex hiking boots and absolutely loved them. I had some non waterproof boots from Topo and absolutely loved them. I run a lot and knew that I sweat so I wanted shoes that would dry out quickly. Neither of us had any issues with blisters or hot spots.

We definitely got to experience the monsoon season. It rained everyday and we got hailed on twice including about 10 minutes after we got on the trail. We learned pretty quickly that if we could get our hiking done before 1pm we could typically avoid most of the rain. Everyone had a blast even with the rain. Great stories!
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