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What should I know about an ammonia plant near my house?

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George08
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7:04p, 2/10/24
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Signs went up and looks like a company is getting the TCEQ approval to build a $2.2 Billion facility that produces liquid ammonia from hydrogen they pull from water and nitrogen gas.

How concerned should I be within a mile of this?

https://avinah2.com/projects/texas-ammonia/

https://www.tceq.texas.gov/downloads/permitting/air/bilingual/pending-permit-notices/174951-nori-english.pdf
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maroon barchetta
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In reply to George08 • 7:17p, 2/10/24
That doesn't tell me much but it looks like maybe they are making aqueous instead of anhydrous so that should be safer?

But they will be storing hydrogen somewhere if they are extracting it so there is that.
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In reply to maroon barchetta • 7:41p, 2/10/24
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I'm not sure but the TCEQ application states the facility will emit the following contaminants: anhydrous ammonia, carbon monoxide, hazardous air pollutants, nitrogen oxides, organic compounds, particulate matter including particulate matter with diameters of 10 microns or less and 2.5 microns or less and sulfur dioxide.
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In reply to George08 • 7:50p, 2/10/24
That is concerning. Maybe.

Where is this exactly? Nueces County?
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7:52p, 2/10/24
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With reference to the prevailing wind are you upwind or downwind of the plant?
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George08
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In reply to maroon barchetta • 7:52p, 2/10/24
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Yes, between Robstown and Calallen.
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In reply to rab79 • 7:52p, 2/10/24
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I am downwind in a prevailing wind.
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In reply to George08 • 7:55p, 2/10/24
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George08 said:
I am downwind in a prevailing wind.


Yeah, my concern level would go up.
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8:09p, 2/10/24
Aren't there already ammonia plants in that area? How close to your neighborhood?
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8:18p, 2/10/24
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There are a bunch of hydrogen and ammonia plants in the works in that area.
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8:29p, 2/10/24
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One is being proposed in Ingleside as well. Neighboring county. Wonder if one is an alternate site for the same company.
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8:30p, 2/10/24
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Ammonia?
That seems pretty basic.
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8:43p, 2/10/24
Smells like money
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George08
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8:53p, 2/10/24
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About 1 mile.

I heard the Ingleside plant was not approved

Smells like a foreign corporation's money- out of India.
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9:00p, 2/10/24
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The real threat is any nearby rail lines

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In reply to George08 • 9:48p, 2/10/24
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The Ingleside city council unanimously voted against. After the meeting the company's attorney allegedly stated they're going to get it done with or without the city being on board. Not sure how they plan to do that besides applying political pressure from higher up.
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9:57p, 2/10/24
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TCEQ is as strong as tissue paper. Especially when the the politicos start calling. Election donations go a long way.
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In reply to SteveBott • 10:04p, 2/10/24
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SteveBott said:
TCEQ is as strong as tissue paper. Especially when the the politicos start calling. Election donations go a long way.
TCEQ is constrained by the fact that their permitting process does not give them the ability to consider political opposition when determining whether to issue a permit. Not necessarily a bad thing in most cases, but sometimes there are facilities proposed that just don't fit their area, and in those cases, there needs to be a way to include that consideration. If you want to stop the permitting process, you are going to need a scientific basis involving some kind of health and safety concern that cannot be overcome with emissions control technology.
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In reply to redaszag99 • 11:52p, 2/10/24
redaszag99 said:
Smells like money


It's an ammonia plant, not a feedlot
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In reply to redaszag99 • 7:01a, 2/11/24
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redaszag99 said:
Smells like money


Exactly!

(As is sit in a refinery inTexas city while in a turnaround).
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7:13a, 2/11/24
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Here you go, I know a person:


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In reply to [removed post] • 7:54a, 2/11/24
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C@LAg said:
we lived close enough to Texas City for a few years that we were always smelling whatever the refineries were releasing.
The ones in Corous released enough so that we had a decent upbringing and got through college. The old man has a few burn scars from it and lost a few people though.
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In reply to [removed post] • 8:05a, 2/11/24
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C@LAg said:
we lived close enough to Texas City for a few years that we were always smelling whatever the refineries were releasing.


And look how you turned out.
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In reply to ATX_AG_08 • 8:08a, 2/11/24
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ATX_AG_08 said:
The Ingleside city council unanimously voted against. After the meeting the company's attorney allegedly stated they're going to get it done with or without the city being on board. Not sure how they plan to do that besides applying political pressure from higher up.


Sounds like some new local taxes are in order.
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8:12a, 2/11/24
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I work at a chemical plant in environmental. While not desirable, this plant going in nearby will likely have no impact on your health. Of the list of air pollutants, other than ammonia, everything else comes out of your truck exhaust. And, if they are making ammonia, they aren't going to be releasing it. Their ammonia emissions are likely calculated from ldar and probably don't really exist.
If there are already industrial facilities in the area, this new one will be a drop in the bucket and likely safer than the others due to new construction rules and technology. If this were virgin land, it might be worth the fight.
To muddy up the waters, if the operator is a bad seed, there could be issues down the line. Being cheap and not keeping up with maintenance and such will catch up with them. I don't know anything about this place or who owns them and who is going to run it. Maybe they will be great neighbors.
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In reply to maroon barchetta • 8:16a, 2/11/24
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maroon barchetta said:
this is great and terrible at the same time.
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In reply to George08 • 8:19a, 2/11/24
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George08 said:
I am downwind in a prevailing wind.
Just think about all the free fertilizer that you will be getting from the sky
The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But, it's still on the list.
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8:26a, 2/11/24
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Personally I wouldn't be that worried. It's not nothing, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Maybe I'm a little desensitized from working in refineries and chemical plants for the last 10 years.
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In reply to Milwaukees Best Light • 8:26a, 2/11/24
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maroon barchetta said:
this is great and terrible at the same time.


It is that.
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In reply to George08 • 9:21a, 2/11/24
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Damn, I used to live off CR48 and CR101. Made a fortune on that house when I sold it and moved to CO.
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In reply to RCR06 • 9:22a, 2/11/24
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Same here. I have managed cryo plants, lean oil plants, treaters, acid gas plants and now a power plant fueled by coal. Totally numb to it all.
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In reply to George08 • 9:35a, 2/11/24
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George08 said:
I am downwind in a prevailing wind.
Just invest in some good scuba tanks for the entire family, if a cloud of ammonia gas is released when they pop a high pressure RSV on a storage vessel just put on the scuba gear high tail it out of their
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