Very likely that the basis of the air permit application includes emission modeling to prove acceptable concentrations at the fence line.

Hoyt Ag said:

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Same here. I have managed cryo plants, lean oil plants, treaters, acid gas plants and now a power plant fueled by coal. Totally numb to it all.

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looking to move back to Texas?

Less than 2 miles from me between Calallen and Thievestown…..ur….Robstown. Not really worried about this modern of a facility, and as ammonia plants go, this isn't a really big one.

Not really, unless it was very lucrative. Aside from friends and family, I dont miss it. I had one offer to move back but there was no relocation assistance so the conversation ended pretty fast.

Sorry man. That sucks.

Even if it's probably harmless to your family, it isn't fair you have to worry about it or the damage in value it can cause your homestead.

If it worries you now, maybe start thinking about talking with a real estate agent and selling the house. It probably won't be easier after it's built. Might be worth the peace of mind.

Permit is going through modeling, can see that here. Along with review staff.

https://www2.tceq.texas.gov/airperm/index.cfm?fuseaction=airpermits.project_report&proj_id=368145

Can get to modeling letter by going here and entering the permit number in the bottom search. Make sure document is your permit, wildcard might have some others.

https://records.tceq.texas.gov/cs/idcplg?IdcService=TCEQ_SEARCH

I used to work in air permitting, been a hot minute though. Never worked with these facilities. New source review permit standards are generally pretty strict. Nuisance issues like light, truck beeping, truck traffic, dust from roads are usually concerns. From an air quality stand point I wouldn't move on that reason alone. However, I would at least get a good number for the Regional TCEQ office and report anything unusual.

whats a good email for you? had a question for you and couldnt PM

at hotmail

Got it.

Let me know when you got it so I can take it down. Thanks.

sent you an email yesterday!

I didn't get anything. Try it again please.

sent again. try spam too

Hopefully it is not like the West, Texas Ammonium Nitrate facility.

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I actually took my first breath where the muddy Brazos spills into the Gulf of Mexico, and where the skyline is colored by chemical plants - Dow, BASF, Shintec, Air Liquide, etc. Built a few units when I started my career off in my old stomping grounds there. Bet none of the things the OP is worried about compare to things like TDI or some of the concoctions that Dow makes that eventually get used to make other things - many of which will kill you dead AF in short order.

Good song, wish Uncle Lucius was still together.

Anhydrous ammonia isn't really anything to get upset about. There are a fractionator and gas processing facility right there next ot the OP that would be more of a concern to me, simply because playing with hydrocarbon gas is always a bit dicey. Lyondell has a facility over in that area as well, so does Enterprise, and there is a massive amount of refining done by Citgo and Valero just up the road on the Corpus channel.

I bet if you had any inkling of how many pipelines are under your feet in that part of the world, you'd care very little about an ammonia plant. Far more dangerous things out there that you probably don't even pay attenton to.

Driving down the road puts you in a significantly higher risk of danger than most any petrochemical facility*

*Valero Texas City is an exception, because F that place.

https://www.yourunclelucius.com/likeitsthelastoneleft

Playing gruene hall two shows this weekend

Ragoo said:

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https://www.yourunclelucius.com/likeitsthelastoneleft

Playing gruene hall two shows this weekend

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Huh, I swear I heard they broke up at some point. Maybe I'm on crack though and just dreamed that up or got them mixed up with somebody else.

schmellba99 said:

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Ragoo said:

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https://www.yourunclelucius.com/likeitsthelastoneleft

Playing gruene hall two shows this weekend

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Huh, I swear I heard they broke up at some point. Maybe I'm on crack though and just dreamed that up or got them mixed up with somebody else.

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They did, and the lead singer put out a solo album, then decided to give it another go.

Idk if the hydrogen / ammonia economy will be around long-term like the Euros want it to, but a strong case can be made that this ammonia plant and ancillary storage is much safer than most traditional petchem refineries.

Just move, OP.

Move somewhere where no one does anything and everything is safe.

You're obviously going to die!

On May 11, 1976, an ammonia truck disaster killed 7 Houstonians and injured nearly 200

Col. Steve Austin said:

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You're obviously going to die!

On May 11, 1976, an ammonia truck disaster killed 7 Houstonians and injured nearly 200

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My dad's business partner that I knew as Uncle Mike growing up drove through that just as the truck was starting to leak and managed to make it out the other side before traffic jammed up.

Do they use food dye to make the ammonia green?

water turkey said:

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I grew up in the pollution plumes of all the refineries around Beaumont.

I turned out n-n-n-normal…..

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Yes and the tower flares helped as we made the early morning boat runs to duck hunt down in Port Arthur & Port Neches

As someone that deals with anhydrous ammonia every day I can tell you this...If it is contained, you are okay. If it releases, not okay. At least that is what my environmental staff and regulators tell me.

Hoyt Ag said:

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As someone that deals with anhydrous ammonia every day I can tell you this...If it is contained, you are okay. If it releases, not okay. At least that is what my environmental staff and regulators tell me.

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As someone who has used lots of anhydrous ammonia over 35+years, ammonia is hazardous only in "large" quantities. The human nose is an unbelievable "sensor" and detects ammonia long before leak detection devices pick it up. You cannot force yourself to stay in an area with ammonia and wait for it to reach levels of being harmful as it is that strong of a repellent.

Now, if trapped in a room or area where it reaches very high concentrations, or you get a blast of it into your nostrils and receive a high dose into your lungs, well, it's going to not be good, … like really nasty.

P.s., there are much nastier chemicals you don't even know about and all around you every day in life.

Hence my second sentence. I have staff for this kind of stuff.

Most the chemical plants send all the bad stuff to the flare at night, no orange or yellow plumes can be seen in the dark. Doesn't harm the public too much, just an extra ear lobe here and there

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Do they use food dye to make the ammonia green?

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Never been able to do green, but if needing to drain a container with anhydrous ammonia, if you use a copper tube and immerse the exit end in water (ammonia and water have such an affinity that all will go into solution), the ammonia reacts with the copper and you'll have the most beautiful blue, yet very pungent, ammonia-water.