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OnlyForNow
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I actually am a biologist, but not a deer biologist.

I meant the statement "a ton do" meaning lots of high fence ranches buy deer from breeders. I'm glad you and your ranch neighbors didn't/don't.

I would also have to agree with you that the majority obviously don't buy because there aren't enough deer breeding facilities to carry enough deer for 51% of the HF ranches to get deer.

But I'd also imagine, that the most typical purchase from these places are 1-3 bred does or 1 genetically freak buck. Probably not replacing their entire herd with breeder stock deer.

So I think we are agreeing?
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Yes sir. I know we believe in like principles. My dream upon graduating from TAMU with WFS degree was to be a full time wildlife biologist. I did that for awhile till I figured out that I was always going to be broke.
I was blessed as I made a different living but that living allowed me the freedom to still "free lance" as a biologist on some ranches over the years and keep my hand in, if you will.
So over those 40 years I mainly worked with landowners of high fence places in the hill country and a couple out of state. Of those, and others I acquainted myself with, few purchased outside WT's. …. I would discourage them from doing it and told them I would not help them facilitate doing it. Most ended up agreeing with me. Some did not.
I know you and I agree on some basic beliefs. I don't condone raising whitetails in pens and moving them around selling them. I remember one of my old WFS profs saying it would be a very bad thing if it was done.
It's just my experience that more high fence landowners don't buy whitetails than those that do if you really look at all the places in detail.
I will both agree and disagree on one point….only as my general experience dictates….. most landowners I know, Emphasis on ones I know, that have bought outside whitetails, buy a few does as you say…….but most buy traditional nice mainframes bucks rather than the freaks.
Bottom line, you and I are on the same page. We both believe to desist from breeding whitetails in pens and shipping them around.
I have had lost opportunities because I believe in this.
Thank you for having a sane and cordial discussion on this topic with me sir. Much obliged.
CivilEng08
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INIGO MONTOYA said:

Is there a large scale free range testing program - or is the free range testing that which is done in the CWD testing areas around the state?
They test all deer harvested on public drawn hunts at state parks and WMAs in addition to some of the other testing already mentioned at check stations around surveillance zones. That helps to get a good selection of animals around the state and even out some of the selection bias from the check stations, though it's not perfect.
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9731425/

Money spent on cwd from govt
284 million....
txags92
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montanagriz said:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9731425/

Money spent on cwd from govt
284 million....
I wonder how much of the testing being done by TPWD is for surveillance in areas where the disease was introduced via breeder deer?
harge57
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txags92 said:

montanagriz said:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9731425/

Money spent on cwd from govt
284 million....
I wonder how much of the testing being done by TPWD is for surveillance in areas where the disease was introduced via breeder deer?


Given it's almost exclusively been spread by captive deer in TX id say almost all of that.
montanagriz
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Dr.Deer post in facebook just now

In 2011, after failed attempts to reduce or control CWD in Wisconsin, the people had it and wanted it fixed! Governor Scott Walker hired three men to carry out the task-- Drs. James C. Kroll, David Guynn and Gary Alt. They also were assigned the job of making recommendations to improve deer management in Wisconsin. In July, 2012 they released their 138 page report! It's now been 13 years, and we thought it would be useful to see how much of our recommendations got carried out? Over the last 13 years, some "critics" have made accusations that, we were wrong! Now, as you will see from the verbatum summary below, that the DNR resisted carrying out our recommendations! So, here it is from our,

FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS
Population Management
1. Limit the use of SAK/accounting style models to monitoring deer population size and trends at the state and regional levels.
2. Do away with population goals and population estimates at the DMU level.
3. Replace the current DMU population goal definition of comparing the deer population estimate with the desired population goal for the DMU with a simplified goal statement of increase, stabilize or decrease population density.
4. Develop a set of metrics to monitor progress towards the DMU goal of increasing, stabilizing, or decreasing population density.
5. Reduce the number of DMUs and combine the Farmland regions.
6. Revise the Wisconsin Deer Management Plan.
Hunting Regulations, Seasons and Bag Limits
1. Simplify the regulatory process by setting antlerless harvest goals, harvest regulations and antlerless permit quotas on a 3-5 year cycle.
2. Base Antlerless Permit Quotas on DMU historical demand.
3. Increase the cost of all antlerless tags for Regular and Herd Control Units to $12.
4. Consider charging a fee for antlerless tags in the CWD Zone.
5. Establish a public lands antlerless permit system.
6. Limit antlerless deer harvest in Regular and Herd Control Zones.
7. Establish a Deer Management Assistance Program (DMAP) antlerless permit system.
8. Re-evaluate the effectiveness of the October antlerless seasons in the CWD Zone.
9. Maintain the current buck limit of one buck per Deer Gun License (may be used in muzzleloader season) and one buck per Archery Deer License.
10. Maintain the Bonus Buck Regulation in CWD Zone.
11. Resolve the cross-bow season issue through the public involvement process.
12. Resolve the baiting and feeding issue outside CWD affected areas.
13. Put the fun back into hunting by simplifying seasons, bag limits and youth qualifications!
Predator Studies and Management
1. Continue to conduct research on the impacts of predators on the deer herd.
2. Involve the public as much as practical with field-based research projects.
3. Revise the Wisconsin Wolf Management Plan to include updated information and provide current public attitudes to guide management decisions through the early years of this post-delisting era.
4. Establish a wolf population management program to limit/decrease wolfsocietal conflicts.

5. Geospatial studies of predator distribution and densities, especially for wolves, should be encouraged and developed to assess long-term trends and issues.

Chronic Wasting Disease
1. We believe it is time to consider a more passive approach to CWD in the DMZ.
2. There is a clear need for a new sampling protocol for CWD in Wisconsin, one that gives a true picture of the progress of the disease; but more importantly, one designed to detect spread.
3. Dealing with wildlife diseases is not unlike responding to wild fires, and response plan should be developed on this model, focusing on early detection of "break outs" and citizen involvement (active approach).
4. We recommend implementation of a statewide DMAP program; and, nowhere is such a program needed more than in the DMZ.
5. There is a need to provide more information about concerns for humans contracting a CWD variant.
6. The time required to receive CWD test results from hunter-killed animals must be decreased to a few days.
7. An annual meeting of DMAP cooperators would be an excellent venue for reporting on various aspects of CWD, in addition to the topics discussed earlier. This would greatly enhance public awareness and WDNR credibility.
8. WDNR should work closely (through the local biologist) with the Conservation Congress in developing goals and strategies at the county level. we feel use of human dimensions research to anticipate, rather than reacting to issues as they arise would be very effective.
9. We feel use of human dimensions research to anticipate, rather than reacting to issues as they arise would be very effective.
10. Charlotte the Deer should become the "Smokey Bear" of CWD in Wisconsin, serving as the centerpiece for a public education program developed with stakeholder organizations such as QDMA, Whitetails of Wisconsin and Whitetails Unlimited.
Harvest Data, Herd Health and Productivity
1. Involving the public in data collection produces many benefits, including buy-in on management and harvest strategies and cost-efficiencies of data collection.
2. Each field biologist should be required to organize and conduct at least one field necropsy study each year, conducted along with cooperators and volunteers during late winter.
3. Training should be provided to biologists and technicians to standardize methodologies and educate them on deer anatomy and basic physiology.
4. An annual report should be prepared for each DMU and Region summarizing these studies and a Powerpoint/video presentation developed for annual DMAP workshops and public presentations.
Habitat
1. As both part of DMAP activities and public lands management, local biologists/technicians should be required to conduct annual range evaluations to assess habitat health and condition. Foresters also should be involved in these activities, public and private.
2. Training programs should be developed for state and private resource managers to standardize habitat/range assessment methodologies.
3. There is a need for modernizing the GIS and GPS capabilities of Wisconsin's agencies.
4. A statewide geospatial information system, similar to that used in Texas, should be developed which provides seamless support to all state resource managers across agencies, which also supports economic development, emergency planning and response, and a host of citizen services.
5. Form a Young Forest Initiative Task Force.

6. Funding for these activities should arise from fees assessed by stakeholders and landowners using these data and services, as well as grants and contracts for various state agency activities.
7. The WDNR adopt an advocacy role in dealing with the National Forests of Wisconsin to encourage sustainable forest management, especially for early and mid-successional species (game and non-game).
People
1. Implement a Deer Management Assistance Program (DMAP).
2. Each DMAP cooperator should receive an annual report summarizing current data and trend data over years to monitor progress toward goals.
3. Develop a public lands antlerless permit system.
4. In addition to providing hunting opportunities, the impacts of deer depredation on agricultural crops, forest regeneration and biodiversity, deer/vehicle collisions, the special significance of deer to the Ojibwe people and other factors also must be considered in management of Wisconsin's white-tailed deer resources. This will include strict adherence to all agreements with the Voight Intertribal Task Force (GLIFWC), the tribes serving as "co-managers' where appropriate.
5. Expand public education/outreach efforts to serve landowners whose goals include management for white-tailed deer and other wildlife species.
DNR Research and Technical Publications
1. We strongly suggest establishment of a research steering committee, with representation from user groups, stakeholders and regional WDNR biologists, and Tribal representatives.
2. A significant effort should be developed in Human Dimensions research. Wisconsin is blessed with two excellent researchers (Holsman at UW-SP and Petchenik in house), and a plan for long-term monitoring of trends and issues should be developed between them.
3. We are concerned about long-term contracts for research services. There need to be milestones and project evaluations.
4. Projects should involve the public whenever practical.
5. There is a need for a long-term research plan (developed through 1), based on needs assessments, and prioritized for funding.
6. Synergies with other agencies and greater cooperative efforts, particularly with those in forestry and geospatial disciplines, would help leverage funding and strengthen projects.
7. Research projects should be of an applied nature, rather than basic research with clearly defined application to the needs for managing Wisconsin's deer and habitat resources.
8. Project results should be extended to the public through media, workshops and field days, as part of the DMAP program and regional stakeholder conferences.
9. In the long-term, we recommend developing a wildlife disease unit to: 1) respond quickly to CWD outbreaks; 2) monitor health and disease of other wildlife species; and, 2) train and support local biologists/technicians in conducting annual herd health surveys.
Conservation Congress
1. We feel the Conservation Congress must have a more active role in deer management decision-making at the local level.
Personnel
1. We strongly suggest addition of a Deer Management Assistance Coordinator, a highly qualified individual with the following characteristics:
considerable experience with DMAP or related programs;
wellrespected in both the scientific and public communities;
highly skilled communicator; and,
highly motivated to work with the public.
2.We also recommend development of a "boots-on-the-ground" culture in the WDNR; and, job descriptions of field biologists be adjusted accordingly.
montanagriz
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Dr.Deer on cwd testing free range vs breeder

A colleague sent us the total CWD sampling data for Texas since they began testing in 2012. The number of total tests for free-range, breeder, and released deer, pre- and anti-mortem has been 385,229, with 1,057 positives (0.27%)! . The average percentage tested of the free-ranging deer was 0.22% (estimated 4.9 million) and for breeder deer (47,680) was 26.12%.

Does this depict an epidemic? Yet, the TPWD Commission just passed draconian regulations!
trip98
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Tldr version please
txags92
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trip98 said:

Tldr version please
Dr Deer made a bunch of recommendations 10+ years ago in Wisconsin. Today, ask any deer management professional not attached to deer breeders how that worked out for Wisconsin and they would tell you it was a failure.

Dr Deer thinks we are overtesting breeders in Texas and should leave them alone so they can breed us a huge crop of "CWD resistant deer"…that somehow keep testing positive for CWD. And as usual, he assumes that the state of CWD in our native deer population is as bad as it will get, when Wisconsin's experience puts the lie to that idea.
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Read this article including the description of what has happened since 2012 in Wisconsin (https://www.thenation.com/article/society/chronic-wasting-disease-wisconsin-deer-humans/). When you get to the part about the deer trustee recommending a passive approach, that deer trustee they selected was Dr. Deer.

Here are a few choice quotes about what happened to Wisconsin from following Dr Deer's guidance:

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Wisconsin's "passive approach" to the deadly disease persists to this day. The DNR now focuses mostly on research and surveillance of CWD, as well as outreach and education for hunters. The era of aggressive intervention is long overand the results are disturbing.

"So, where things stand: They definitely continue to trend in the wrong direction," said Jasmine Batten, a DNR wildlife health official who helps lead the state's CWD response. There is widespread distribution of the disease in southwestern Wisconsin, where it was first discovered. In some counties, like Sauk and Richland, the prevalence of CWD among male deer is upwards of 60 percent, and among female deer it is upwards of 30 percent. "Maybe most disturbing: In recent years, we have areas of new detection in the northern part of our state," Batten continued. The disease, which is currently found in deer within (or adjacent to) 64 of Wisconsin's 72 counties, is out of control.
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Wisconsin has buckled in the face of CWD. Sure, the state tests and monitors for the disease, but other action is sorely lacking. In fact, spend time with people concerned about CWD, and you'll find that the state has become something of a byword, a warning: At least we're not Wisconsin. No one wants to end up like Wisconsin. Poor Wisconsin.
But yeah, lets follow the advice of the guy Wisconsin listened to…

harge57
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montanagriz said:

Dr.Deer on cwd testing free range vs breeder

A colleague sent us the total CWD sampling data for Texas since they began testing in 2012. The number of total tests for free-range, breeder, and released deer, pre- and anti-mortem has been 385,229, with 1,057 positives (0.27%)! . The average percentage tested of the free-ranging deer was 0.22% (estimated 4.9 million) and for breeder deer (47,680) was 26.12%.

Does this depict an epidemic? Yet, the TPWD Commission just passed draconian regulations!


That right there should be enough to disband breeder operations. We should not be transporting captive deer.
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