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Any of y'all have night vision goggles/monocular that you use regularly? the cheap stuff is pretty rough...

was thinking it could be cool to use getting to/from the stand and just to have in my "in case **** hits the fan" bag.

i've heard steele industries is good, y'all have any recs? any feedback on an appropriate budget to get a decent setup?

i know there's a lot to do with using an IR beam to improve the lower end stuff and that isn't preferrable to the preppers because it shines bright on IR devices. it also seems like IR is more combat useful than for anything i'd use if for...

thanks in advance for the input!
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https://militarymentalendurance.com/products/trailblazer%e2%84%a2-pro-1080p-night-vision-binoculars

Have a pair of these. They are indeed nice for less than a $100. Was given this link 3 weeks ago on another thread in this outdoor section.
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I just purchased a Rix Optics K2 handheld thermal for this exact reason. It's fun to play around with and it's much smaller than those digital night vision setups. $500 compared to $100 but I doubt you'd use the digital night vision very much, unless it was on a scope.
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Following. I'm sick of walking into cactus at night while using thermal monocular. I need a decent NV option without spending $2k
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ttha_aggie_09 said:

Following. I'm sick of walking into cactus at night while using thermal monocular. I need a decent NV option without spending $2k


Theres really not one IMO. Sorry.

The digital stuff is lagg(y) and requires suplemental IR most of the time, and the quality is meh even with supplemental ir.

A 2k green phosphor pvs14 is still the best "budget" NV available for actually moving around at night without just using a light.

That being said, its absolutely worth it. I use mine for stargazing, night hiking, etc. Would still enjoy the hell out of it even without using it with firearms (which is even more fun).
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Sadly that reaffirms everything I have read… really hard from me to spend all that money, in addition to everything else, on shooting a pig at night. Guess I'll just buy some better tweezers to deal with the *****ly pear
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What's your setup like? Helmet mounted? Two?
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ttha_aggie_09 said:

Sadly that reaffirms everything I have read… really hard from me to spend all that money, in addition to everything else, on shooting a pig at night. Guess I'll just buy some better tweezers to deal with the *****ly pear
LOL I have about 6 grand invested in a thermal scope and monoculars. I dont even count the cost of the gun.
1 pig in three years. I have great places to hunt. Just not interested enough to go out late at night.
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Yeah I don't have quite that much invested but way more than I should to kill a freaking pig. I've killed a couple but definitely don't like staying out late and then hunting the next morning. It's much more fun in the offseason.
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Paging nealthedestroyer

He's the OB nods SME and dealer
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Saw this same post. What's your honest 3 week review?
wtmartinaggie
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I'll pay 2-4k for it, i think it would be worth it as long as it lasts and is good quality, i just want it to be worth the money. doing research though you can pay 6x easily for it and i'm just not in for that.

this seems like a you get what you pay for type deal and the ante is quite high... i've read you can find some used stuff from military/pmc folks and that's the best option but i wouldnt even know where to start and look.
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FallsonbrazosAg91 said:

https://militarymentalendurance.com/products/trailblazer%e2%84%a2-pro-1080p-night-vision-binoculars

Have a pair of these. They are indeed nice for less than a $100. Was given this link 3 weeks ago on another thread in this outdoor section.


I think I was the original poster about these. No idea how long they will last but they work well out of the box. I can text a video to anyone who is interested. Just send me a PM.
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WhoopN06 said:

Saw this same post. What's your honest 3 week review?


I just got them in the mail two days ago. Off the bat review they are more than I expected. gentrySMILLTX did send me a video (as he was the one that posted the link initially) and increased my expectations. I am happy with purchase. I will be in the field at some point in near future and will try out more. About 10 years ago I had an IR NIGHT VISION SCOPE on my 556. Can't remember name of scope. These binoculars are a helluva lot better.
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I have enjoyed this set up with pvs 14 helmet mounted. I also installed IR light bar on the side by side so it allows for driving blacked out.
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I have one of the cheaper ones the kids use and it works okay. Problem is it is either just not bright enough or too bright and it is handheld only due to the shape.

If someone wants to give me the new color night vision / IR that special operations are using that would be awesome. I don't even want to think how much those cost
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Stay away from Any Digital NV Its cheap and Doesn't have a good image.

Look for SNR over 25 and a FOM over 1700

Steele Industries is good.
Darq Industries is good.

TNVC is ok but use a one time use card. They are know to leak card information.
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Frisco said:

What's your setup like? Helmet mounted? Two?


I have two pvs14s that I can set up a few different ways.

When I'm solo I use them as duals in a powered bridge mount on a g24 dovetail mount on an ops core fast bump helmet, with a ab low profile battery pack on a tnvc mohawk as a counterweight.

It would be lighter/easier to use a more traditional set of dual tube NV, but I started with just a single -14, and added a second later. This also allows me to split my units to go out with a friend.

I use a norotos rhino2 modified to accept dovetail mounts and a DDA to mount my loaner pvs14 when I do that, and I usually mount it to a crye nightcap. The crye nightcap and a single 14 is a really comfortable, light weight solution to use a single unit.

I also have a ballistic helmet but its a cheaper heavier one and that plus two -14s is unpleasant to wear after a couple of hours so I usually use the opscore bump.

Im really thinking hard about selling a bunch of guns this year so I can upgrade to true duals for myself so my boys can each have a -14 and I can have some dedicated loaner set ups, but a large frame AR is also calling my name so who knows.

LAMs are a whole 'nother topic, but you dont need one to start out. A single PVS-14, crye nightcap and a mount will get you out there and using it.
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wtmartinaggie said:

Any of y'all have night vision goggles/monocular that you use regularly? the cheap stuff is pretty rough...

was thinking it could be cool to use getting to/from the stand and just to have in my "in case **** hits the fan" bag.

i've heard steele industries is good, y'all have any recs? any feedback on an appropriate budget to get a decent setup?

i know there's a lot to do with using an IR beam to improve the lower end stuff and that isn't preferrable to the preppers because it shines bright on IR devices. it also seems like IR is more combat useful than for anything i'd use if for...

thanks in advance for the input!
Like many have said, avoid the digital devices. With an image intensifier you're looking at a 1:1 image of the world vs a 2d interpretation from a small screen. Theres no latency or processing limitations with image tubes. While field of view is limited to 40*, you can get used to it through use and training. I usually recommend new users walk around their house a lot before going out on the trails or range with it.

A Gen 3 thin filmed or unfilmed PVS14 is the most versatile option when it comes to head mounted nods. Its basically the Glock 19 of the NV world. Tons of aftermarket support.

For budget on a NEW device I'd recommend planning for $3299+ for thin filmed Elbit and $4399+ for Unfilmed L3 devices. The reason for these admittedly high prices is due to the nature of image tube manufacturing and the R&D that goes into them.

Recommend going with a basic XLSH or SLH from Elbit or an 18/20LM from L3. Both are great tubes and come with 2 year factory warranties.

If you go the USED route, be careful and ask if the device still has a specification sheet(new tubes all come with them) that comes with it as that will give you an idea of the image tubes performance or "horsepower". You can use the spec sheet to match up the serial number on the image tube inside the device to make sure you're not getting fleeced. I also recommend new because you get a warranty. Most are 5-10 years.

For hunting or navigation to the blind I think a helmet might be too bulky so I'd recommend a soft cap like the Crye Nigth Cap or the 4D Tactical SOF cap. That way you can just wad it up and stick it in a pack or pocket for easy transport.

For mounts I recommend Wilcox, Norotos, Cadex and Nocturn Industries although you can find used GI surplus mounts for cheaper that will work but might now be as stable as the others.

There are a number of supplemental IR lights that you can use either handheld or head mounted. I prefer PrincetonTec, Surefire, and Streamlight. When you use NV you WILL run into situations where you'll need supplemental IR. Whether thats looking under a cedar trees moonlit shadow or trying to find that spider web crossing your trail so you dont do the funky chicken after you walk through a web.

You're welcome to reach out to me personally. Email is my username at gmail. Full disclosure, I am a NV dealer local to BCS but dont advertise to try to remain unbiased here.

Edit: Recommended Gen 3 WP performance threshold

2000+ photocathode response
less than 1 EBI
Less than 1 HALO
25+ SNR
64+ LPMM
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I don't yet have any thermal or NV but I'm about to be. From what I learned is that nowadays there is a lot more thermal being purchased than night vision. When I looked into all of this previously which was around 8 years ago, it seemed that people were generally split evenly between the 2.

Has the thermal technology improved at a faster pace than NV or is it the versatility of thermal that gives it the edge?
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The consumer market has seen a huge increase in popularity because of the availability of Chinese cored thermals. They filled a niche in the market because the big American companies are focused on military and gov contracts.

For me it's not an either/or choice. They're complimentary.

NV is a mature technology and while we may see improvements in specs I doubt we'll see huge leaps in the tech just due to the manufacturing processes.

Thermal will continue to get cheaper on the civilian side. We're already seeing a few sub 3k 640 cored scopes and 1280 is coming down too. Firmware, firmware, firmware.
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What he said. Its China.

Other than white phosphor and thin/unfilmed (and i guess some housings), civilian NV tech has been mostly the same since gen3 tubes came out.

Thermal on the other hand has seen better sensors, better chips, and chinese competition so tech is better and at lower prices.

Im firmly a "get both" guy like Neal too. You can spot and ID stuff with thermal you didnt know was there with NV, but you cant walk (or run) the woods navigating by thermal like you can with NV. Thry're complimentary systems for sure.

Reel Aggies
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Dangit you made me buy a pair
wtmartinaggie
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Sent you an email, would like to work with you if you're willing to help me put a set together.
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wtmartinaggie said:

Sent you an email, would like to work with you if you're willing to help me put a set together.
Received and responded. Holler any time.
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100% agree with both of you in the 2 techs being complementary. Pros and cons of each for sure.
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