duddleysdraw88 said:

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If my dog goes to the neighbor's and harrasses their cattle.... they can shoot it?....or can they???

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If your dog goes onto a neighbors' property and harasses his livestock, he has a right, maybe an obligation, to get that bonesack off his problem list.

What tax exemptions does the state provide landowners? I'm aware of local (county and school, for example), but am unaware of state ad valorem taxes.

Don't feed the troll!

i do agree, but its funny when friends tell me they're depreciating deer on their tax returns.

Considering all deer privately owned were public deer to begin with at one time. At least the deer herd had to start somewhere before the genetics etc

We allow land owners to own high fences trapping a public resource for their private use and have for decades

Some states I believe have their deer under Ag dept so this isnt a new concept, just new to Texas. Then add in fact Texas lets owners trap the deer and use as private resource snyway...what is really different for us Hunters? Seem to affect the bureaucracy and employees involved but how does it affect us svg Joes?

Thunderstormr said:

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duddleysdraw88 said:

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Bob Hall is a pompous ash hat..... and that is being nice. Most hate him in Austin and in his district as well, yet he continues to get re-elected.

Privitizing deer has got to be the most stupid idea in the history of stupid ideas!

Hunting in Texas has been heading the wrong direction for decades. Not near enough public access to hunting has been available in the state. I understand that the situation is due to the high percentage of private land ownership. But if this moves forward, the breeders will further advance the spread of CWD and the scarcity of access to hunting will exponentially expand.

Don't even get me started on the feckless tpwd higher ups that have turned the other way (and get kickbacks) when it comes to the breeding industry in Texas.

F breeders
F tpwd
F privitizing deer

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Own your own land and manage your own deer population. The state would have to "confiscate" private land to increase public access. Why do we need more public access you leach? Buy or lease land for hunting if hunting deer is your thing but don't expect someone else to provide your recreation for you.

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Soooo, the people using all the BLM/State land in other states are leaches?

I was on a 4500 acre ranch today to bid a plumbing job for the City of Austin. Guess what? It's not and most likely never will be open to the public. Why couldn't they have a draw to hunt that place every year? Would that make anyone using the public resource a leach? Oh and guess what, they've high fenced it. All in the name of conservation of course. It's one section of 9000 acres that's a "watershed" reclamation zone. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad it'll never be built on but it still shouldn't be high fenced then closed off to the public totally. Land doesn't have to be taken from land owners for public access, quit being a drama queen.

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We allow land owners to own high fences

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This is a very interesting perspective/POV…

We…? Who exactly is "we"?

Allow? No one "allows" a landowner to fence his own property (unless said landowner lives in an HOA maybe). But sounds like if you could, you'd deny that. That's simply un-American on its face, and hope you'll reconsider that attitude.

I need names and addresses of a lot of you so I can send my protein bill for feeding your deer.

ranchag04 said:

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I need names and addresses of a lot of you so I can send my protein bill for feeding your deer.

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I never asked you to feed the deer. You decided to do that all on your own. You are welcome to send an invoice to my circular file.

txags92 said:

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ranchag04 said:

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I need names and addresses of a lot of you so I can send my protein bill for feeding your deer.

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I never asked you to feed the deer. You decided to do that all on your own. You are welcome to send an invoice to my circular file.

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I knew a comment like this was coming. If I didn't feed them they wouldn't exist.

ranchag04 said:

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txags92 said:

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ranchag04 said:

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I need names and addresses of a lot of you so I can send my protein bill for feeding your deer.

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I never asked you to feed the deer. You decided to do that all on your own. You are welcome to send an invoice to my circular file.

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I knew a comment like this was coming. If I didn't feed them they wouldn't exist.

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They certainly wouldn't in the numbers nor condition that many are. It boggles the mind the lack of understanding demonstrated by "highly educated", supposedly sophisticated people. SMDH

Farmers and ranchers have no legal obligation to provide for the wildlife that live and thrive on their property. But by virtue of so doing, they benefit the general public. And for their efforts, they are guaranteed no recompense. And any benefit they might realize is in NO relationship to, nor based upon the amount they might have expended of their own volition. It is the definition of altruism.

ranchag04 said:

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txags92 said:

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ranchag04 said:

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I need names and addresses of a lot of you so I can send my protein bill for feeding your deer.

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I never asked you to feed the deer. You decided to do that all on your own. You are welcome to send an invoice to my circular file.

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I knew a comment like this was coming. If I didn't feed them they wouldn't exist.

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That is fine with me. I watch 10-20 deer at a time walk around in the prairie outside my back fence and nobody is feeding them anything. Believe it or not, deer lived in Texas before the advent of protein feeders. This idea that you have to feed them protein or they won't exist is a bunch of BS from people who are ignorant regarding wildlife management.

txags92 said:

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ranchag04 said:

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txags92 said:

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ranchag04 said:

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I need names and addresses of a lot of you so I can send my protein bill for feeding your deer.

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I never asked you to feed the deer. You decided to do that all on your own. You are welcome to send an invoice to my circular file.

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I knew a comment like this was coming. If I didn't feed them they wouldn't exist.

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That is fine with me. I watch 10-20 deer at a time walk around in the prairie outside my back fence and nobody is feeding them anything. Believe it or not, deer lived in Texas before the advent of protein feeders. This idea that you have to feed them protein or they won't exist is a bunch of BS from people who are ignorant regarding wildlife management.

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Good grief

BoerneGator said:

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ranchag04 said:

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txags92 said:

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ranchag04 said:

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I need names and addresses of a lot of you so I can send my protein bill for feeding your deer.

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I never asked you to feed the deer. You decided to do that all on your own. You are welcome to send an invoice to my circular file.

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I knew a comment like this was coming. If I didn't feed them they wouldn't exist.

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They certainly wouldn't in the numbers nor condition that many are. It boggles the mind the lack of understanding demonstrated by "highly educated", supposedly sophisticated people. SMDH

Farmers and ranchers have no legal obligation to provide for the wildlife that live and thrive on their property. But by virtue of so doing, they benefit the general public. And for their efforts, they are guaranteed no recompense. And any benefit they might realize is in NO relationship to, nor based upon the amount they might have expended of their own volition. It is the definition of altruism.

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Deer are overpopulated for the carrying capacity of the land in most parts of the state. Feeding them to encourage that is counterproductive in a lot of ways and damages the habitat in the areas where the overpopulation occurs. Farming for some things like coastal hay or ranching on coastal pastures actually is detrimental to WTD because it creates a monoculure that crowds out the forbs they need. WTD can't digest grass like Axis can, which leads to the exotics outcompeting WTD in grass heavy landscapes.

ranchag04 said:

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txags92 said:

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ranchag04 said:

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txags92 said:

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ranchag04 said:

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I need names and addresses of a lot of you so I can send my protein bill for feeding your deer.

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I never asked you to feed the deer. You decided to do that all on your own. You are welcome to send an invoice to my circular file.

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I knew a comment like this was coming. If I didn't feed them they wouldn't exist.

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That is fine with me. I watch 10-20 deer at a time walk around in the prairie outside my back fence and nobody is feeding them anything. Believe it or not, deer lived in Texas before the advent of protein feeders. This idea that you have to feed them protein or they won't exist is a bunch of BS from people who are ignorant regarding wildlife management.

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Good grief

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What? You chose to feed deer protein. Nobody asked you to do it, and if they asked you to come hunt your land for free, you would laugh at them. So what do you want, a cookie? I don't owe you jack**** for that. And the idea that deer can't live in Texas without being fed protein is a laughably ignorant opinion for an educated person to believe.

Illegal to feed deer in numerous states.....

Feeding deer where it is legal is self serving and the landowners choice.

cheeky said:

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Guess the logical solution is to abolish high fences.

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This honestly would be a really good place to start. Or make it exceptionally tough to get permitted for one.