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Winchester lever action id?

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marcel ledbetter
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This showed up for sale locally. 44 caliber. Looks sort of like an 1873. It's advertised as a Winchester but I can't make out any markings. What do y'all think?
Eta the add says it's a 45-60.

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If it is in fact a 45-60, then it is likely the centennial model 1876 Winchester.

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Looks like it is a Model 1876 Carbine model that has been modified. It has a carbine barrel band and a shorter than full length magazine tube. The saddle ring hole on the left side of the receiver can also be seen, kinda confirming it started out as a carbine before being modified. All 1876 Carbines and Muskets had full length wood forends with a distinct metal forend tip. True 1876 carbines are pretty rare....gotta be very wary of mods and fakes.
1876's came in three models.....first model, second model and third model. These are typically differentiated by the top dust cover type and by serial number range. 1st models SN range are approximately 1-3000. 2nd Model 3000-25000. 3rd Model 25000 - end
Winchester did not offer the 1876 in the 45-60 chambering until 1879, so the serial number on this gun should be above SN 7968 and will be either a 2nd or 3rd model.
You should be able to see the Model # designation engraved on the upper tang behind the trigger and the serial number will be on the lower tang under the lever.
Those would be a great help in determining value.
The barrel should be 22" long as a carbine model (muskets had 32" barrels) and the barrel should be marked with the Winchester address and the Kings patent date.
Serial number did not designate between rifles, carbines or muskets.


Gunny456
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Here is a couple of pics of what a carbine 1876 looked like.
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Could be a knockoff made in Spain if you can't find the Winchester markings.
marcel ledbetter
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Thanks for the replies and the history lesson on the rifle! The owner has ammo for it, but I can't find the pics anymore.
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Vintage ammo in a good condition vintage box can be valuable for that gun.
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Get us a serial number!
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Big Blue Star to Gunny for always delivering the antique gun info!
marcel ledbetter
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The guy sold the rifle and never sent the serial number. Here's another one listed as a Winchester.

Eta this is the same seller as the lever action above, judging by the stuff in the table.



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Its not a Winchester. With the proof mark thats on reciever it appears as a Mauser type of action. Lots of countries used Mauser actions in their military small arms. If I was to make a guess this is a old military weapon of some country that was maybe a "bring back" and has had a very poor attempt to "sporterize" it.
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Thanks! My old eyes didn't spend a lot of time looking very closely at it. My spider sense in my head told me it was something else. There's an old 1911 listed that I'll try and get pics of.
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