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Cattle prices...still rising!

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Incredible numbers, great ride for sellers! We sold 37 on Tuesday (in Bryan, Brazos Valley Livestock), couldn't be happier.

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4-5 weights at $515 sure makes you wonder what is the point in taking them heavier!
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Nice humble brag…

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Sheep market going wild right now too. Sold some 85 #ers yesterday at sale barn that grossed $310/head after commissions.
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Glad yall are making money! I look forward to being able to justify buying beef again. It's chicken and pork for now.
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We're getting close to where deer meat is actually cheaper than store bought beef. Only another $200/lb to go
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my wife works with a girl that moved from Argentina to Houston at the beginning of the year. she's simultaneously amazed at how cheap most stuff is and shocked at how expensive beef is here in the states.
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You got that right brother. Have some at that weight now. Brother in law sold a calf that lost it's mama a while ago. Got 900 for a little calf. Crazy. First time in a long time we'll be able to actually put a little money away instead of having to cycle it back into feed and such.
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ttha_aggie_09 said:

We're getting close to where deer meat is actually cheaper than store bought beef. Only another $200/lb to go


You're not kidding lol. For the first time in my life I told my buddy I'd consider going in on a lease just for meat.
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you're flirting with 4h/ffa show steer prices on some of those!
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Those tax cattle that hit the market at the end of the year aren't going to put a dent in prices.
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I just sold two 18mo old bulls last week and they were 1+ and about 1000lb and 1100lb and sold for about $4400 for the two of them. Prices are generally up but definitely vary from market to market a lot
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Just sold 2 March 25 model bull calves for an average of just under $2100 each. They averaged ~640lbs I think.
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How do I read the sheet? Will be openly dumb and ask how to interpret.
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moo said:

How do I read the sheet? Will be openly dumb and ask how to interpret.


You can multiply the wt by the price to get the dollar value of the calves sold. The prices are in CWT or 100 weight so you will need to move the decimal to o get price per lb. $504 cwt = $5.04/lb
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Thank you!!
txags92
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Goats are doing pretty well too. FIL sold a half dozen at Fredricksburg a couple weeks ago for over $200/ head.
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These are the most recent market reports from Gainesville and Decatur where I sell my cattle. Not nearly as high but still good overall.

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Half this thread is written in Greek to me. But I can figure out that beef producers are doing very well.

Congrats
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Anyone holding on to a few heifers to rebuild the herd?
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I can't speak for people on here but in general every heifer you don't sell is the most expensive cow you will ever buy in your life. As a result the cattle herd is shrinking across Texas and nationwide.
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We are keeping heifers. Price aside, we have to at least replace old cows.

They are high, but buying pairs or bred heifers/cows is way more expensive.
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96ags said:

We are keeping heifers. Price aside, we have to at least replace old cows.

They are high, but buying pairs or bred heifers/cows is way more expensive.


Same here. Drought is making things tougher, but still an effort that we feel is essential for our business.
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Keeping my heifers also have a few that will be bull ready in Jan. My older cows will sell a few that are broke mouth and have bad feet. The others Im going to try to get one more calf crop out of them and reevaluate in the spring. Starting to look around for a good angus or brangus bull but those prices are also off the chart.
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moo said:

How do I read the sheet? Will be openly dumb and ask how to interpret.

With that handle, seems like you'd have a vested interest in this process.
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Looking at the front month Feeder contract, January '26 now, futures are off their October highs by a decent amount, but have recovered nicely from where they bottomed out at in late November. I always think its interesting to see the difference in the local cash markets vs the futures contract to see how your area is doing.

Lot of industry folks havent seen very many signs of herd rebuilding and I've read some forecasts that think this will persist into 2027. May not set new highs, but should still see elevated cattle prices for quite awhile.

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I have a small herd to begin with so we are keeping all heifers because we are trying to rebuild the momma genetics a bit. Get a bit more Hereford in them (they are all baldies already but some have more ear than I like). Then eventually we may try putting polled wagyu over them.
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agfan2013 said:

Looking at the front month Feeder contract, January '26 now, futures are off their October highs by a decent amount, but have recovered nicely from where they bottomed out at in late November. I always think its interesting to see the difference in the local cash markets vs the futures contract to see how your area is doing.

Lot of industry folks havent seen very many signs of herd rebuilding and I've read some forecasts that think this will persist into 2027. May not set new highs, but should still see elevated cattle prices for quite awhile.



I agree with the bolded statement. Drought has continued to damper any rebuilding efforts on larger scales.

The other factor that a lot of folks don't take into consideration is the impact in Texas from the Wildlife tax valuation. It has taken thousands of acres out of livestock (mainly cattle) production and that land will most likely never go back. Couple that with an aging producer, and it seems there may be significant head winds to ever getting those numbers back.
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We held back 10 heifers, as culling old or sickly cows always a reality. And as stated, replacement costs are also crazy
Bull calf also in pic, his future location TBD.
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The market looks great right now because it is but it wasn't long ago that we were selling our weaned calves for $500-$700 per head. When the pandemic hit I watched my calves sell for basically nothing but I had no way of keeping them longer either. They were already selling for less than what it takes to keep my head above water but we took an even larger hit during those 2-3 years. The thing with beef that is so different from other commodities is that when a beef calf is at weight for sale or slaughter, you can't really delay it as the producer. You can't store it in a grain bin for a better market. There are a few things you can do but overall you're very limited because of the age and life cycle of beef cattle. The packers have more latitude with that beef once it has been processed but they also made record profits during the pandemic and continue to do well but that is a whole other can of worms!

I've been working to diversify how I generate income from raising livestock but the margins are incredibly thin in the long run. For many, the headaches are not worth it which has helped lead us to the situation were currently in. Drought and poor return has dramatically reduced the number of producers and ultimately our supply.

With all that said, let me know if you've got any land available for lease in or around Coryell county!
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96ags said:

agfan2013 said:

Looking at the front month Feeder contract, January '26 now, futures are off their October highs by a decent amount, but have recovered nicely from where they bottomed out at in late November. I always think its interesting to see the difference in the local cash markets vs the futures contract to see how your area is doing.

Lot of industry folks havent seen very many signs of herd rebuilding and I've read some forecasts that think this will persist into 2027. May not set new highs, but should still see elevated cattle prices for quite awhile.



I agree with the bolded statement. Drought has continued to damper any rebuilding efforts on larger scales.

The other factor that a lot of folks don't take into consideration is the impact in Texas from the Wildlife tax valuation. It has taken thousands of acres out of livestock (mainly cattle) production and that land will most likely never go back. Couple that with an aging producer, and it seems there may be significant head winds to ever getting those numbers back.

I don't think that is an accurate statement. What the wildlife valuation has mostly done is take very valuable properties where the landowner no longer wanted to do agricultural use (mostly due to age/infirmity or inheritance) and allow them to keep from having to sell the property (likely for development) due to the taxes. If people were forced to sell those properties instead, nobody was buying them for Ag use. Nobody who is working cattle for their livelihood was going to pay $2 million dollars for a 50 acre property to run cattle on it (recent example from the property next door to my FIL near Bergheim).
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txags92 said:

96ags said:

agfan2013 said:

Looking at the front month Feeder contract, January '26 now, futures are off their October highs by a decent amount, but have recovered nicely from where they bottomed out at in late November. I always think its interesting to see the difference in the local cash markets vs the futures contract to see how your area is doing.

Lot of industry folks havent seen very many signs of herd rebuilding and I've read some forecasts that think this will persist into 2027. May not set new highs, but should still see elevated cattle prices for quite awhile.



I agree with the bolded statement. Drought has continued to damper any rebuilding efforts on larger scales.

The other factor that a lot of folks don't take into consideration is the impact in Texas from the Wildlife tax valuation. It has taken thousands of acres out of livestock (mainly cattle) production and that land will most likely never go back. Couple that with an aging producer, and it seems there may be significant head winds to ever getting those numbers back.

I don't think that is an accurate statement. What the wildlife valuation has mostly done is take very valuable properties where the landowner no longer wanted to do agricultural use (mostly due to age/infirmity or inheritance) and allow them to keep from having to sell the property (likely for development) due to the taxes. If people were forced to sell those properties instead, nobody was buying them for Ag use. Nobody who is working cattle for their livelihood was going to pay $2 million dollars for a 50 acre property to run cattle on it (recent example from the property next door to my FIL near Bergheim).



I didn't catch this part originally but you're not wrong. I'll add, as the owner of a wildlife management company who writes a bunch of 1D1 applications for wildlife, I do not believe the wildlife valuation has much effect at all, overall. Where it benefits the most is smaller properties where running livestock is not sustainable or practical. The majority of properties that I help apply for wildlife are all less than 50 acres with the majority of those mostly less than 20 acres. Any larger properties we work on that are 100+ acres, we suggest they incorporate grazing as a management practice. Most all of those properties are already on board with that suggestion. The exception of course could be large high fence ranches but any that we visit, we still recommend having grazing as a management practice. My part of the state is different than other parts like South Texas, and I certainly understand the view. That's just my observation from my role as a wildlife biologist who owns a decent number of momma cows but has a hard time finding lease land.
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txags92 said:

96ags said:



The other factor that a lot of folks don't take into consideration is the impact in Texas from the Wildlife tax valuation. It has taken thousands of acres out of livestock (mainly cattle) production and that land will most likely never go back. Couple that with an aging producer, and it seems there may be significant head winds to ever getting those numbers back.

I don't think that is an accurate statement. What the wildlife valuation has mostly done is take very valuable properties where the landowner no longer wanted to do agricultural use (mostly due to age/infirmity or inheritance) and allow them to keep from having to sell the property (likely for development) due to the taxes. If people were forced to sell those properties instead, nobody was buying them for Ag use. Nobody who is working cattle for their livelihood was going to pay $2 million dollars for a 50 acre property to run cattle on it (recent example from the property next door to my FIL near Bergheim).

Large (and small) tracts are converting to wildlife exemptions, IMO due to the minimal oversight the county appraisal districts do, to determine compliance.
Leasing the land for ag use, with the potential problems, ...easier just to file for the wildlife exemption, with businesses even available to create the paperwork for filing with the county appraisal district.
Our Pct County Commish says the Commisioners Court has zero authority, to question the exemptions.
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txags92 said:

96ags said:

agfan2013 said:

Looking at the front month Feeder contract, January '26 now, futures are off their October highs by a decent amount, but have recovered nicely from where they bottomed out at in late November. I always think its interesting to see the difference in the local cash markets vs the futures contract to see how your area is doing.

Lot of industry folks havent seen very many signs of herd rebuilding and I've read some forecasts that think this will persist into 2027. May not set new highs, but should still see elevated cattle prices for quite awhile.



I agree with the bolded statement. Drought has continued to damper any rebuilding efforts on larger scales.

The other factor that a lot of folks don't take into consideration is the impact in Texas from the Wildlife tax valuation. It has taken thousands of acres out of livestock (mainly cattle) production and that land will most likely never go back. Couple that with an aging producer, and it seems there may be significant head winds to ever getting those numbers back.

I don't think that is an accurate statement. What the wildlife valuation has mostly done is take very valuable properties where the landowner no longer wanted to do agricultural use (mostly due to age/infirmity or inheritance) and allow them to keep from having to sell the property (likely for development) due to the taxes. If people were forced to sell those properties instead, nobody was buying them for Ag use. Nobody who is working cattle for their livelihood was going to pay $2 million dollars for a 50 acre property to run cattle on it (recent example from the property next door to my FIL near Bergheim).

With all due respect, that simply isn't true at least in central Texas. The wildlife valuation has taken property (mostly absentee landowners) that used to be leased to local producers and removed it out of livestock production. It is most likely an unintended consequence, but a consequence none the less.
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Spore Ag said:

Anyone holding on to a few heifers to rebuild the herd?


Yep, guy I help on an intermittent basis just weaned 20 that will weigh 6 to 8 hundred pounds as replacements. Another friend is looking at picking up 8 bred heifers at $4200 each.
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