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Any reason I shouldn't buy the below scope? Will go on a new 300 win mag (most likely a Seekins Havok). Hunt South Texas primarily but want to get out west hunting mule deer and elk at some point in the near future. I like quality and simple and this seems to fit the bill.

https://www.eurooptic.com/swarovski-z5i-35-18x44-bt-plex-i-riflescope-69760
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I have this same model on a AR platform that I built up to use on our ranch and really like it a lot. I set up some rifles for myself and my wife for prairie dog hunting and used Swarovski optics on all but one of them.
I used to be a devout Leupold guy but had a couple of scopes that had issues right out of the box that Leupold took forever to remedy.
I basically slowly changed over to almost exclusively using Swarovski glass as I could afford to do it. For my aging eyes they really make a difference imho.
I've used Zeiss, Leica, Sightron and Nightforce besides Leopold. Nightforce is great glass but I still prefer Swarovski.

ETA: That's a really good deal also.
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I am also curious what others have to say because I'm debating on that model or the non-illuminated version. For a scope I expect my son to have for life on his deer rifle, a battery is a bell/whistle that I would avoid but I'm ignorant on illuminated scopes.
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Roskilde scope eval

Some highlights:

"Issues started immediately. Boresighted. Fired one round, adjusted, and next round landed in the dot. However, the next round with no adjustment shifted left 1.25 MOA. I adjusted right 1 MOA and moved to the right dot. 2 rounds- it didn't move. Adjusted right 1 MOA again- it didn't move."

"Drop evaluation:
18" drops were fine. Left side 36" shifted left about 4 MOA. Right side 36" shifted off paper."

"Conclusion:

Scope failed totally with drops. Even the last one where it held for the 18 and 36" single drops wouldn't last. At 18in-lbs on the ring caps, the scope looks like it has already slipped a tiny amount. Adjustments were not consistent or correct when zeroing."

Gunny456
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It's the only illuminated scope I have. I bought it basically for using it on a suppressed rifle for hog hunting in low light conditions. However after using it for a while I like the feature in all conditions…..kinda like a red dot it really helps acquiring your aim point quickly. Of course you can adjust the intensity or turn it completely off.
I replace the battery once a year but have never had it run down from my use.
I never had any issues with the scope in general either…..and it gets treated pretty bad bouncing around in the ranch UTV etc.
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Good price and get some PBR custom turrets tuned to the bullet you shoot. I have the Z5i+ illuminated.
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It is a good scope. I think you would be happy with it. However for hunting out west, i think that reticle leaves something to be desired. Ranges are a lot longer than whitetail in Texas. I often need to dial or use reticle for elevation and wind adjustments out west. If you want a Swaro and want something more rugged, get a Khales. They are under the same umbrella. They are better scopes in my opinion than the Swaro.

If you want something rugged and small the Nighforce NX8 is hard to beat.

Another light weight scope, that punches above its weight class is Eotech Vudu. Probably the most over looked and underrated scope on the market. I owned it and had it on my western rifle for years. I ended up selling it for the Leica PRS. While I love the Leica, I regret selling the Vudu. I think the Vudu is better for hunting.
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i like the clarity of my swarvo...just wish it had a different reticle for manual hold points.
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I agree with Gunny on batteries.... I replace the batteries in ALL my illuminated rifle scopes every year before season starts whether they need it or not. They are cheap and good insurance to have new every year. I replace batteries in thermal scopes much more often because they don't last me that long..... LOL.

In regards to the Z5i, that seems like a great price on that scope. Probably because they have now come out with an updated version, the Z5i+. I've heard the + (plus) version is a highly improved version of the original Z5i. I know several people who have purchased the Z5i+ and they really like it. Supposed to be upgraded in many ways, I just can't tell you what those are. Of course the plus version is alot more expensive......

I also agree that that reticle may not be the best for "western" style hunting, although I don't think it would be a deal breaker for me if I was looking to not spend over $2K on a scope.

All the above is just my opinion and my only experience has been shooting a few buddies rifles that have the Z5i+ on them. I don't own a Swaro scope, only Swaro binos. I too have been a Leupold guy for a long time. They have never failed me. That being said, when I buy my next scope it will be a Z5i+ with the ballistic turret. One of the things that draws me to the Z5i+ is the weight. It is the lightest scope I have seen in that class by a fair margin. I would REALLY like to try a Khales as I have heard nothing but good things about them but they are much heavier and twice as expensive.
Gunny456
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Here is similar in Kahles line. Left hand windage though. Just a bit more money.
https://www.eurooptic.com/kahles-k318i-35-18x50-ccw-msr-w-left-riflescope-10653
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Gunny456 said:

Here is similar in Kahles line. Left hand windage though. Just a bit more money.
https://www.eurooptic.com/kahles-k318i-35-18x50-ccw-msr-w-left-riflescope-10653

Khales is 32.6 oz, the Swaro Z5i+ is 21 oz. almost 12 oz difference. I've heard the Khales can take a beating tho....

And its more expensive.
Gunny456
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Yep. Jeremiah J. mentioned Kahles so I just thought I would post the comparable. They list the right hand windage at 3699.00!
I like my Swaro's for sure.
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This is shocking to me (in response to the rokslide drop test). Have they done the swfa 3-15?

Edit: here it is, I knew I loved this scope!
https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/swfa-ss-3-15x42mm-gen-ii-field-evaluation.389419/
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NRH ag 10 said:

Roskilde scope eval

Some highlights:

"Issues started immediately. Boresighted. Fired one round, adjusted, and next round landed in the dot. However, the next round with no adjustment shifted left 1.25 MOA. I adjusted right 1 MOA and moved to the right dot. 2 rounds- it didn't move. Adjusted right 1 MOA again- it didn't move."

"Drop evaluation:
18" drops were fine. Left side 36" shifted left about 4 MOA. Right side 36" shifted off paper."

"Conclusion:

Scope failed totally with drops. Even the last one where it held for the 18 and 36" single drops wouldn't last. At 18in-lbs on the ring caps, the scope looks like it has already slipped a tiny amount. Adjustments were not consistent or correct when zeroing."




Im always torn on these rokslide drop evals. Is it fair to compare scopes that weigh twice as much and are built much more robust to scopes like this one? Many of the scopes that pass with flying colors are prohibitively heavy. Unless you actually need a scope you can drop off a mountain.
Gunny456
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This. Lots of guys on shooting forums make the same comment.
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NRH ag 10
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CS78 said:

NRH ag 10 said:

Roskilde scope eval

Some highlights:

"Issues started immediately. Boresighted. Fired one round, adjusted, and next round landed in the dot. However, the next round with no adjustment shifted left 1.25 MOA. I adjusted right 1 MOA and moved to the right dot. 2 rounds- it didn't move. Adjusted right 1 MOA again- it didn't move."

"Drop evaluation:
18" drops were fine. Left side 36" shifted left about 4 MOA. Right side 36" shifted off paper."

"Conclusion:

Scope failed totally with drops. Even the last one where it held for the 18 and 36" single drops wouldn't last. At 18in-lbs on the ring caps, the scope looks like it has already slipped a tiny amount. Adjustments were not consistent or correct when zeroing."




Im always torn on these rokslide drop evals. Is it fair to compare scopes that weigh twice as much and are built much more robust to scopes like this one? Many of the scopes that pass with flying colors are prohibitively heavy. Unless you actually need a scope you can drop off a mountain.

I view it as a test of scopes that work and ones that don't. Note the swaro didn't even adjust correctly during zeroing.

I have a 20oz scope that passes the evals easily. I live in Colorado, do not own an ATV, SxS, or horses, so I am carrying the rifle everywhere. I am not trying to sound like a badass because I am not one, and I mostly day hunt from a truck based camp, but have done a 16 mile day on foot that ended with packing out and antelope 5 miles to the truck in the dark, and have done multiple 10 mile days in the mountains after elk or mule deer. A 19oz vs whatever the swaro weighs isn't going to be a real problem, and the weight savings are all for naught if the thing won't hold zero.

I have personally experienced a hunt ruined due to an unreliable scope. Woke up at 3am, drove for several hours through a snowstorm to my hunting spot, sat on a ridge in a mix of sleet and snow all day, had a shot at a mule deer with 10 minutes of legal light left, and straight up MISSED from prone at 200. Not a fun drive back home. Scope was off by 9" at 100 yds. Bushnell LRTSi that was a replacement for an LRHS with a seized elevation turret.

EDIT: I forgot this story. After I replaced that scope with a SWFA 3-9, I was on a 3rd season mule deer hunt. In the morning I slipped down a muddy creek embankment. Cartoon level feet out from under me, slammed down on my tailbone with the butt of my rifle whacking the ground. Killed a buck that evening somewhere between 300 and 400 yds, don't remember the shot distance. No loss of zero.

My main hunting buddy was packing for a 4th season buck tag we both had in 2024, and his rifle was leaned against the wall, muzzle up. It tipped over scope down onto the floor. It was off by either 6" or 9" at 100. he rezeroed and killed a buck at 600 on day 3 of that hunt. I don't remember the exact model, but it's a lower end Sig BDX scope.

Another set of friends and I would needle each other back and forth about SWFA vs Leupold. I'd ask my buddy shooting the Leupold if his scope was still zeroed after driving down the washboard dirt road to get from the pavement to the shooting range we go to. This year, he shot a cow elk 9 times in the stomach with a 7mm rem mag. Straight up had to go back to the truck to get more rounds. Obviously there's another issue in that he couldn't see his hits and adjust, but his scope had lost zero from riding in the back seat of a truck. The other friend has a SWFA 3-15 and killed his elk without incident after experiencing the exact same conditions. The Leupold and 7mm are getting swapped out.

The OP mentioned western hunting use, that's the experience of me and some of my friends on pretty tame western hunts.
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I think Swarovski has been around long enough and sold enough high end scopes at expensive prices over the many decades to prove they work….or they would not still be in business.
You can take basically any product built and find some test that says it isn't good or have a bad review.
I was involved in enough product testing by various publications and media entities in the marine business to know how very few are truly unbiased.
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Charismatic Megafauna
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They wouldn't be the first company that sacrificed quality to add frills and still meet a price point
I've had great luck with pre-z/habicht swaros
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I have 2 and like them. I got the turret and it maxes out around 700yds.
Aggie Hunter
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I have Swarovski and nightforce on my two western hunting guns and I prefer the nightforce. Offers wider field of view and turret doesn't stop after 2 turns.
Gunny456
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What Swarovski and Nightforce models do you have?
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Aggie Hunter
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Gunny456 said:

What Swarovski and Nightforce models do you have?


Swarovski z6 and nightforce acatr. One advantage of the z6 is it is much lighter than the acatr for western hunting.
Gunny456
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I was actually asking what model you had in each? What power range, objective lens size, tube size, reticule, 1st or 2nd focal plane, etc. you were using?
Thanks
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JeremiahJohnson
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That Atacr is very nice. I have the 7-35x56. Amazing optic. Almost bought that 5x25 instead of my NX8s. Put the 7-35 on my PRS gun, even though I haven't shot PRS since my son was born. Need to get back into it. Overkill... yes, but nice to easily see hits at 1000yards. It is a tank.

Also own a couple 4-32x50 NX8s. Great compromise for a long range hunting scope that can be used in NRL. Wanted these to match the Mil-C reticle on my Atacr.

Leica 5-30x56 PRS - have this on my big game rifle. Tank of a scope. Best Glass of anything I own. I use this out west for back pack hunting when i don't want to take a spotting scope. Feel like i get an extra 15 min of daylight viewing at sunrise/sunset with this scope. Brings in a ton of light. Same can be said for my Leica binos. Simply stunning. I think it is way under priced.

Also have a Khales 1-8 on my Spear LT. My favorite LPVO. Clear glass. Use it a lot hog and coyote hunting during the day, or just general shooting. Makes me want one of their larger scopes. Stunning.

Owned the Eotech Vudu 5-25x50. It was amazing but did not like the Horus reticle I had with it for what i was using it for. Sold it for the Leica. I will own another one with a simpler reticle. Similar to the NX8 but i think edges it out on glass. Considering it is only 12inches long, it kicks ass.

None of my rifle scopes are general duplex scopes. All are capable of reaching out and touching something at range and can take a beating.
Gunny456
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I understand your comment about the amount of elevation adjustment on your ATACR vs your Z6. But factory specs on FOV in comparison actually shows that the Z6 has a larger field of view than the ATACR. ATACR FOV @ 5X = 18.0 Ft. and @ 25X = 4.9 ft. The Swarovski Z6 shows @ 5X = 23.7 ft. and @ 25X = 5.2 FT. (30X = 3.9 ft.)
No doubt the Nightforce is built like a tank and heavy as heck. I like them both..... but for my old eyes I still like the Swaro's I now have glass better than the Nightforce I had. I mainly shoot heavy varmint and target barrel rifles so any weight I can save is important to me.
Hope you and family doing well.
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JeremiahJohnson
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NX8 is more comparable to the Swaro than the Atacr. I think i would say Khales is Swaros Atacr like line.
FOV is 26ft at 4X is 26ft on the 4-32.

Swaro has better glass than the NX8. The NX8 is more rugged though with more features.

2.5-20x50 is closer in specs to this Swaro. FOV at 2.5x is 48ft. Not sure what it is at 5X. Assuming half that at 24ft.

Both have tradeoffs. I would be happy to own either.
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