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I don't give a damn "WHY" he did it.

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Getting back to retinag's post, I'm not sure why he/she chose to extract an incomplete sentence from a 51 page research publication, but I will follow suit and extract this statement from the conclusion of the paper:

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Finally, despite our belief that the NRC¡¯s analysis was imperfect in certain ways, we agree with the committee¡¯s cautious final judgment on the effects of RTC laws: ¨Dwith the current evidence it is not possible to determine that there is a causal link between the passage of right-to-carry laws and crime rates.¡¬

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I say CHL permit be damned -- If you're going someplace where you even think "should I carry a sidearm to protect myself?" the answer is YES, do so, and get along with life. The odds are that you will never have to use it, and unless such circumstances arise, you will never know. Most people are bigger talkers than actors, and in the mere seconds it takes for L&D situations to manifest, they hesitate, flee, or make poor decisions anyway.

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We haven't got to the point where we need to have concealed handguns in the university buildings. Where we are now is about right. If things change drastically, then maybe I personally will change my thoughts.

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If things change drastically, meaning if/when we have a school shooting here in OUR community? Only then will you change your thinking?? I'm sorry but I don't accept that. I don't think we should wait for ANOTHER Virginia Tech-like tragedy to cause us to realize that school campuses shouldn't be gun-free "victim optimization zones" for mass murdering lunatics. The time to do something about this is now.

I just want to add to this thread that I *LOVE* Texas. Visited the state capitol yesterday, and while everyone else waited in line to go through the metal detector, I simply swiped my CHL and walked right in.

Anyone looking to do harm with a gun isnt going to give a damn about the law. They will carry where they want. Why should those of us who abide be bound by rules limitting our ability to defend ourselves?
I so agree.........I have a CHL and carry everywhere I go......except work. I am not allowed to carry at work BUT the public that comes into our building IS carrying. That is scary to me that we are not allowed to protect ourselves...........

Some of y'all need to wake up.

I agree that a situation at noon in Sibisa would be crazy and difficult to react to; that aside I am for concealed carry in the campus buildings.

I am not for carry at events like football games or in bars.

You cannot control all the people around you and in a bar, you have drunks... drunks get angry and if they figure out that you have a gun they might take advantage of that. Football games no, because some people don't conceal as well as others and with 40,000 people pushing to get into or out of a game sometime bad could occur.

TWO QUESTIONS:

A. How many of the posters on this thread are currently enrolled or employed at an institution of higher learning?

B. How many of you have actually seen the inside of a classroom on a college campus in the last six months?(campus tours not included)



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cplstanfield,

What do either of those questions have to do with my right to defend myself should the need arise?

On a plane, in a train or on a boat.. I do so like guns Sam I Am...... My ability to defend myself shouldn’t be hampered by blind “What If”. (I do see the other side of this coin as well that the right to carry is fueled by blind “What If”… as I said I don’t carry…. Yet)

Don't take my rights away because 5%-10% of the population are idiots and might blow a toe off....

I am for allowing for concealed carry just like I am for holding ANYONE responsible for their actions with said weapon no matter their reasoning for pulling it out and firing. If you think you’re responsible enough to carry then you should be responsible enough to handle the consequences of any action with said weapon.

But I can answer yes to both in any case.

Yes to both, every weekday.

I believe that Cplstansfield is a police officer. He of all people should know that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

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20 years at A&M, 2 as a student, 18 as a staff member.

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B. How many of you have actually seen the inside of a classroom on a college campus in the last six months?(campus tours not included)

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Been on the inside of 80% of the classrooms on campus. I directly administer 15 classrooms.


Even a very responsible CHL owner would be ill advised to use a gun in a room full of students.
Outside the building is more appropriate as the law stands now. Perhaps a 2nd certification level for CHL's that require advanced training and background stability.

Just food for thought.

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Even a very responsible CHL owner would be ill advised to use a gun in a room full of students.
Outside the building is more appropriate as the law stands now. Perhaps a 2nd certification level for CHL's that require advanced training and background stability.

Just food for thought.

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Anyone--not just CHLers--is going to have a difficult time of firing a gun in a crowded room that has limited mobility options for people inside. I'm sure even the most highly trained will tell you that it's not easy.

Please expand on your "food for thought." You say that you think being able to carry outside of buildings is acceptable. What do CHLers do with their firearms when they enter the buildings? THIS is the point of the issue.

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TWO QUESTIONS:

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B. How many of you have actually seen the inside of a classroom on a college campus in the last six months?(campus tours not included)

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Yes to both questions. I work on campus and also have students visit my office pretty much every week during the semester. And while most of the students I have dealt with might not have any issues, I've seen some in very emotional states that made me very glad that they weren't armed and aiming at me (shoot the messenger).

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Not that anyone will believe it, but the most recent and rigorous empirical studies have found that CHL laws do not decrease crime and, in most cases, result in increased crime.

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Not that anyone will believe it, but the most recent and rigorous empirical studies have found that CHL laws do not decrease liberty and, in most cases, result in increased liberty.

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I am not for carry at events like football games or in bars.

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Not sure about football games, but its 100% illegal to carry in bars per the 51% rule.

having been to many, many college football games and seen plenty of incidents between opposing fans (regardless of alcohol consumption)...you don't want people carrying guns inside Kyle Field (other than law enforcement).

and then there are stories like this that A&M would be worried about from a liability standpoint:

http://www.khou.com/home/HPD-Woman-shot-after-gun-discharges-inside-Houston-restaurant--113543634.html

HOUSTON – A gun discharged and injured a woman after a man accidentally dropped it Thursday inside a northeast Houston restaurant, police said.

The Derringer fell out of the coat pocket of a 66-year-old man at about 8:30 p.m. inside Raffa’s Waterfront Grill on West Lake Houston Parkway, police said.

The 71-year-old woman was shot in the rear end and transported to Ben Taub Hospital in stable condition.

Police said the man was licensed to carry a concealed handgun

Yeah how scary would it be if a grad student disabled the pop-off valve on a nitrogen dewar and blew up a few labs in the chemistry building.

http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2006/03/08/how_not_to_do_it_liquid_nitrogen_tanks.php

Like this WheelinAg??

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