Mr.Short-termMemory said:

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I'm not Bob. But this is the map used for soccer and Strait.

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Thank you. I'm on a renovation project and in a bad spot to go get it.

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I know I initially felt there was a "bubble" mentality but Mr Yancy has addressed those. He has answered questions here honestly and I don't believe he's trying to hide anything or be dishonest.

I would hate to see this "Paid for City Street" parking continue in its current form. Residents on the affected streets need to be given a method to park their own cars on the street in front of their houses for free or be able to opt out in some way. I would imagine this policy is being considered for Football Gamedays, and as others have said, people will gather at a single house for pre-game get-together and would need to park in front of a house on a street.



Bob, sorry if it was posted earlier, but can you share a map of the neighborhoods where this is parking policy is being implemented.

Thanks,

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Thanks for the feedback.

So what is the result of this?

Are the people going to get listened to and this is dead on arrival or is the money so great that it should be continued?

It probably didn't achieve the goal of relieving parking congestion.

The question of how much does it cost the city for an event like this never got answered even though it was exclaimed it cost a lot and all hands were on deck.

whoop1995 said:

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So what is the result of this?

Are the people going to get listened to and this is dead on arrival or is the money so great that it should be continued?

It probably didn't achieve the goal of relieving parking congestion.

The question of how much does it cost the city for an event like this never got answered even though it was exclaimed it cost a lot and all hands were on deck.

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I don't know the cost yet. These two events were unique and many visitors didn't know the city. That interjects change and we await a detailed staff report. Generally speaking I know everything went smoothly for such large, unique events. Council did receive an email this week from a resident of the Southside neighborhood, who has not given permission for their name to be released, so I will not, but I'll paraphrase later in this response.

I have also reached out a second time to the neighborhood association to ascertain their position. How did it go? Are you opposed? They have no position at this time. Here's the paraphrase, from a member of the group speaking for themself only:

"…wanted to write to you to show my support for the paid street parking initiative…It was generally quieter in the southside area than it has been for football games in the past…At the same time, I saw enough street-parked cars to guess that it brought in significant revenue. I hope it was viewed as a successful trial…"

"…Regarding the concerns that residents have…maybe we can find a system to permit resident parking for free in the future…I hope you all viewed the trial as a success and will move forward with an expanded version of this program in the near future."

The above is paraphrased from a much longer, in-depth email received by council on paid parking. I personally have also heard from folks opposed. On this forum and elsewhere. I have also heard from two other supporters of the pilot program. Of those that support it, all would like to see a resident exemption.

It's not on tomorrow's agenda so I can speak on it here. We'll get the facts, to the penny, and see if it's worth it. Does it really offset public safety expenses in a meaningful way? Did it, as I expressed publicly might be a benefit, mitigate parking in the neighborhood during events? Was anyone towed as a result of it? I've heard "no" as a result of the pilot but some were towed for parking in fire lanes, etc. I did hear from one out of town visitor from Ohio here for a 4H event. She was towed from Northgate and I have issues with the circumstances and have followed up with staff. I'll be asking for an agenda item on our towing policy… I've heard too many stories about what appears to be predatory behavior by towing companies- but that's a different issue.

So no, no final decision. We have a lot of deliberation to do and discussion to have. As with all matters, no one person will decide it'll be your city council writ large.

Constructive feedback always appreciated.

Respectfully yours,

-yancy

If this was about safety where was the response to the complaints about parking on Eisenhower that were actually reported thru SeeClickFix?

Bob Yancy said:

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whoop1995 said:

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So what is the result of this?

Are the people going to get listened to and this is dead on arrival or is the money so great that it should be continued?

It probably didn't achieve the goal of relieving parking congestion.

The question of how much does it cost the city for an event like this never got answered even though it was exclaimed it cost a lot and all hands were on deck.

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I don't know the cost yet. These two events were unique and many visitors didn't know the city. That interjects change and we await a detailed staff report. Generally speaking I know everything went smoothly for such large, unique events. Council did receive an email this week from a resident of the Southside neighborhood, who has not given permission for their name to be released, so I will not, but I'll paraphrase later in this response.

I have also reached out a second time to the neighborhood association to ascertain their position. How did it go? Are you opposed? They have no position at this time. Here's the paraphrase, from a member of the group speaking for themself only:

"…wanted to write to you to show my support for the paid street parking initiative…It was generally quieter in the southside area than it has been for football games in the past…At the same time, I saw enough street-parked cars to guess that it brought in significant revenue. I hope it was viewed as a successful trial…"

"…Regarding the concerns that residents have…maybe we can find a system to permit resident parking for free in the future…I hope you all viewed the trial as a success and will move forward with an expanded version of this program in the near future."

The above is paraphrased from a much longer, in-depth email received by council on paid parking. I personally have also heard from folks opposed. On this forum and elsewhere. I have also heard from two other supporters of the pilot program. Of those that support it, all would like to see a resident exemption.

It's not on tomorrow's agenda so I can speak on it here. We'll get the facts, to the penny, and see if it's worth it. Does it really offset public safety expenses in a meaningful way? Did it, as I expressed publicly might be a benefit, mitigate parking in the neighborhood during events? Was anyone towed as a result of it? I've heard "no" as a result of the pilot but some were towed for parking in fire lanes, etc. I did hear from one out of town visitor from Ohio here for a 4H event. She was towed from Northgate and I have issues with the circumstances and have followed up with staff. I'll be asking for an agenda item on our towing policy… I've heard too many stories about what appears to be predatory behavior by towing companies- but that's a different issue.

So no, no final decision. We have a lot of deliberation to do and discussion to have. As with all matters, no one person will decide it'll be your city council writ large.

Constructive feedback always appreciated.

Respectfully yours,

-yancy

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So y'all don't think there is any padding the stats by adding up costs after the fact? Seems kinda backwards from a cost analysis? Also Please define why these were different, unique or unprecedented from a cost perspective relative to say an Alabama game.

Bob Yancy said:

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whoop1995 said:

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So what is the result of this?

Are the people going to get listened to and this is dead on arrival or is the money so great that it should be continued?

It probably didn't achieve the goal of relieving parking congestion.

The question of how much does it cost the city for an event like this never got answered even though it was exclaimed it cost a lot and all hands were on deck.

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I don't know the cost yet. These two events were unique and many visitors didn't know the city. That interjects change and we await a detailed staff report. Generally speaking I know everything went smoothly for such large, unique events. Council did receive an email this week from a resident of the Southside neighborhood, who has not given permission for their name to be released, so I will not, but I'll paraphrase later in this response.

I have also reached out a second time to the neighborhood association to ascertain their position. How did it go? Are you opposed? They have no position at this time. Here's the paraphrase, from a member of the group speaking for themself only:

"…wanted to write to you to show my support for the paid street parking initiative…It was generally quieter in the southside area than it has been for football games in the past…At the same time, I saw enough street-parked cars to guess that it brought in significant revenue. I hope it was viewed as a successful trial…"

"…Regarding the concerns that residents have…maybe we can find a system to permit resident parking for free in the future…I hope you all viewed the trial as a success and will move forward with an expanded version of this program in the near future."

The above is paraphrased from a much longer, in-depth email received by council on paid parking. I personally have also heard from folks opposed. On this forum and elsewhere. I have also heard from two other supporters of the pilot program. Of those that support it, all would like to see a resident exemption.

It's not on tomorrow's agenda so I can speak on it here. We'll get the facts, to the penny, and see if it's worth it. Does it really offset public safety expenses in a meaningful way? Did it, as I expressed publicly might be a benefit, mitigate parking in the neighborhood during events? Was anyone towed as a result of it? I've heard "no" as a result of the pilot but some were towed for parking in fire lanes, etc. I did hear from one out of town visitor from Ohio here for a 4H event. She was towed from Northgate and I have issues with the circumstances and have followed up with staff. I'll be asking for an agenda item on our towing policy… I've heard too many stories about what appears to be predatory behavior by towing companies- but that's a different issue.

So no, no final decision. We have a lot of deliberation to do and discussion to have. As with all matters, no one person will decide it'll be your city council writ large.

Constructive feedback always appreciated.

Respectfully yours,

-yancy

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When you determine the marginal increase in cost due to the increased traffic to the the two big events, can you also give us an estimate of the increase city receipts to the city from an increase in hotel occupancy for two days from an average of 70% to 98+% and the increase in sales tax receipts to the city as a result in the increase in restaurant and other spending by those persons visiting our city?

You are charging to park in a couple of thousands city parking spaces, but an additional 100,000+ persons are paying sales tax in the city. I would bet that the increase in city sales tax receipts far exceeds the actual increase in out of pocket costs to the city for the two days.

Sounds to me the city with charging for street parking is double-dipping on this.

BTW, I live in the historical area and in speaking to at least a dozen residents here over decades, I have not heard of one concern other than one owner made the comment that although a car was parked about a foot and a half across the front of his driveway that it didn't really matter as he could still get out.

Decisions to charge or not charge for parking on the public streets should not be made based on a comment or two that the streets were quieter for the day. Guess what owner, you live two or three blocks from a major event of 100,000 persons attending and another 30,000 or more live, the traffic and possible noise might be a little more and higher for a day or two.

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It's absolutely double dipping. The whole thing is a money grab disguised as a solution for a "safety" problem.

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Yep.

There are about 5,900 motel/hotel rooms in BCS and probably another 500 or so A/B&B in the area. Lets say half are in College Station...3,200.

An increase from 70% to 98% would be an increase of 800 rooms rented for one day and 1,600 for a two day stay. If the average room rate is $200 and with a HOT tax of 7%, the city INCREASE in tax receipts would be about $11,200 if one day and $22,400 for two day stays. If half the guests stay two days, the increase in HOT tax for the two days would be about $16,800.

Add to that the increase in sales tax collected by our restaurants and other businesses. 100,000 persons milling around for a day or two are going to generate a lot of sales tax receipts. , I suspect the increase in $$$ to the city coffer from a two day event would approach $40,000 to $50,000 or more.

That would pay for a lot of overtime traffic control officers (which aren't really needed).

woodiewood said:

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That would pay for a lot of overtime traffic control officers (which aren't really needed).

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The venue has to pay for the police officers for traffic. The city outlines the requirements in the permitting process.

Then the ticket prices (and fees) cover the police officer requirements. So they wouldn't need that money to pay for police.

Koko Chingo said:

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woodiewood said:

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That would pay for a lot of overtime traffic control officers (which aren't really needed).

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The venue has to pay for the police officers for traffic. The city outlines the requirements in the permitting process.

Then the ticket prices (and fees) cover the police officer requirements. So they wouldn't need that money to pay for police.

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I assumed that the venue would pay for security and police to control the event on campus, but does the venue actually pay the city for traffic control three to five blocks off campus? Is that correct? Bob?

woodiewood said:

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Koko Chingo said:

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woodiewood said:

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That would pay for a lot of overtime traffic control officers (which aren't really needed).

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The venue has to pay for the police officers for traffic. The city outlines the requirements in the permitting process.

Then the ticket prices (and fees) cover the police officer requirements. So they wouldn't need that money to pay for police.

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I assumed that the venue would pay for security and police to control the event on campus, but does the venue actually pay the city for traffic control three to five blocks off campus? Is that correct? Bob?

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The city receives nothing from the venue, the artists, or the event management company. The city receives no permitting or any piece of ticket sales. It's pretty much sales tax, hotel tax, and Texas A&M splits the traffic control signage expense with us for the company that puts them out and takes them down.

Respectfully yours and… it's Friday! Have a great weekend all!

Bob Yancy said:

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woodiewood said:

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Koko Chingo said:

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woodiewood said:

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That would pay for a lot of overtime traffic control officers (which aren't really needed).

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The venue has to pay for the police officers for traffic. The city outlines the requirements in the permitting process.

Then the ticket prices (and fees) cover the police officer requirements. So they wouldn't need that money to pay for police.

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I assumed that the venue would pay for security and police to control the event on campus, but does the venue actually pay the city for traffic control three to five blocks off campus? Is that correct? Bob?

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The city receives nothing from the venue, the artists, or the event management company. The city receives no permitting or any piece of ticket sales. It's pretty much sales tax, hotel tax, and Texas A&M splits the traffic control signage expense with us for the company that puts them out and takes them down.

Respectfully yours and… it's Friday! Have a great weekend all!

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That's what I thought but wasn't sure. Thanks and you also have a great weekend.

Bob Yancy said:

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woodiewood said:

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Koko Chingo said:

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woodiewood said:

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That would pay for a lot of overtime traffic control officers (which aren't really needed).

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The venue has to pay for the police officers for traffic. The city outlines the requirements in the permitting process.

Then the ticket prices (and fees) cover the police officer requirements. So they wouldn't need that money to pay for police.

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I assumed that the venue would pay for security and police to control the event on campus, but does the venue actually pay the city for traffic control three to five blocks off campus? Is that correct? Bob?

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The city receives nothing from the venue, the artists, or the event management company. The city receives no permitting or any piece of ticket sales. It's pretty much sales tax, hotel tax, and Texas A&M splits the traffic control signage expense with us for the company that puts them out and takes them down.

Respectfully yours and… it's Friday! Have a great weekend all!

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How much does the city then make from a typical event like this? Please do not even think of saying you do not know. How much from an average football game? That is a good example.

I might have missed it, but how was it enforced? How many tickets were given for non-compliance? My guess is none, since I haven't heard anyone complaining about being ticketed. If that is the case then it is even worse in my mind.

Hittag1492 said:

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whoop1995 said:

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We have asked several times for costs and revenue and met with "we will have to see". I did some minor calculations that I estimated in prior posts. Just flip back a couple of pages and I think they are pretty good estimations.

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Thank you. Amazing that our city leaders cannot give is simple details such as this. If they do not know these numbers they should all be fired. If they avoid giving them due to knowing it will make them look bad in implementing projects like this parking project-they should also be fired. Ridiculous that a number such as this is not readily available-this is something that should be readily available when asked for. If these have not been provided previously when asked it is further proof of the ineptness of our current city leaders.

Maybe we should ask the Bryan city leaders, lol. They are clearly superior anyway…

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I don't recall anyone ever asking this question directly. That notwithstanding, here is your answer, from staff and myself, paraphrased by me:

The following is an estimate of the impact of a home football game on sales tax, hotel tax and direct costs/expenditures.

Sales Tax from a home game is estimated to be between $80,000 -$100,000.

Hotel Tax from a home game is estimated to be between $40,000-$50,000.

Direct costs for Police, Fire, Traffic per home game is estimated to be $80,000-$90,000.

These are rough estimates for a number of reasons, not limited to just the following: home games will depend on the number of people who come to the game and whether or not they are staying overnight. A big home game such as Alabama will have a different impact than a smaller attended game against a proximate opponent such as Prairie View A&M.

The city's 1.5% sales tax and the hotel occupancy tax are not remitted until the 20th day of the month, following the month in which they were incurred. It will be some time after that before they are received by the city.

This means that sales tax receipts and hotel occupancy tax receipts from say, the George Strait concert, will be lumped in with all other such taxes collected in the month of June. If I've previously answered "I don't know" total receipts where the Strait concert is concerned, it's because the city hasn't received them yet, and when they do (some time after the 20th of July) it'll be for the month of June in its entirety and not just that concert.

It may be possible to get daily data from the Comptroller's office, or with the remittance a spreadsheet may be supplied with granular detail. I'll look into that- but right now, "I don't know."

Have a good week. Respectfully,

-yancy

You made it too complicated.

Aggie football game. But I would argue that any big event will have similar numbers.

each fan = $1 in sales tax revenue
each fan = 50 cents in hotel tax revenue
each fan = $1 in emergency services cost

Bob Yancy said:

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Hittag1492 said:

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whoop1995 said:

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We have asked several times for costs and revenue and met with "we will have to see". I did some minor calculations that I estimated in prior posts. Just flip back a couple of pages and I think they are pretty good estimations.

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Thank you. Amazing that our city leaders cannot give is simple details such as this. If they do not know these numbers they should all be fired. If they avoid giving them due to knowing it will make them look bad in implementing projects like this parking project-they should also be fired. Ridiculous that a number such as this is not readily available-this is something that should be readily available when asked for. If these have not been provided previously when asked it is further proof of the ineptness of our current city leaders.

Maybe we should ask the Bryan city leaders, lol. They are clearly superior anyway…

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I don't recall anyone ever asking this question directly. That notwithstanding, here is your answer, from staff and myself, paraphrased by me:

The following is an estimate of the impact of a home football game on sales tax, hotel tax and direct costs/expenditures.

Sales Tax from a home game is estimated to be between $80,000 -$100,000.

Hotel Tax from a home game is estimated to be between $40,000-$50,000.

Direct costs for Police, Fire, Traffic per home game is estimated to be $80,000-$90,000.

These are rough estimates for a number of reasons, not limited to just the following: home games will depend on the number of people who come to the game and whether or not they are staying overnight. A big home game such as Alabama will have a different impact than a smaller attended game against a proximate opponent such as Prairie View A&M.

The city's 1.5% sales tax and the hotel occupancy tax are not remitted until the 20th day of the month, following the month in which they were incurred. It will be some time after that before they are received by the city.

This means that sales tax receipts and hotel occupancy tax receipts from say, the George Strait concert, will be lumped in with all other such taxes collected in the month of June. If I've previously answered "I don't know" total receipts where the Strait concert is concerned, it's because the city hasn't received them yet, and when they do (some time after the 20th of July) it'll be for the month of June in its entirety and not just that concert.

It may be possible to get daily data from the Comptroller's office, or with the remittance a spreadsheet may be supplied with granular detail. I'll look into that- but right now, "I don't know."

Have a good week. Respectfully,

-yancy

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Thank you. First off, let,s acknowledge that even those estimates do cover the extra city expenses noted. Beyond that, I hope you are as amazed as I am that these numbers are not well known and have not been thoroughly researched many years ago and know and broken down yearly and by event for evaluation. In reference to this parking issue, how was it determined more money was needed to cover the city services costs for these events if nobody knew the revenue they brought in-and that the estimated revenue did, in fact, cover the estimated expenses anyway?

Some annoying points:

*This was originally pitched as a way to control traffic in these areas and pedestrian safety. Now we know that was complete BS.
*Next, it was to cover city services expense. Which we now know those are already covered.
*Last- our city leaders for decades have had no real idea how much revenue these events added to the city and gives me zero confidence they know the overall economic impact.

This whole situation is turning out to be a shell game. On purpose by some, and apparently others on the board bought in or were deceived. This not a project the city has any business doing or being involved in. It clearly has nothing to do with safety and the money is not needed for the stated purpose. Citizens in Neighborhoods (non-commercial areas-or really anywhere) should not be burdened with ridiculous pet projects that are just money grabs that took outright lying to justify.

Stop backing this Bob. You are better than this.

Also-no need to really answer this. If you find numbers those would be interesting although I do have to say-not sure anyone will see them as reliable (through no fault of your own.)

It's a 7% tax on the room for HOT tax average room cost - oh hell - I tried to book the best western for relatives I couldn't fit and they wanted $384 for te Saturday night on George straight.

There are 4400 rooms in college station.

50k seems a little light Bob.

Avg room cost on that one night let's say $250 for point of argument - hell Stella and all those were 500+.

4400 x 250 x .07 = 77k this is one night.

This covers your entire cost just with HOT tax which you already said and agreed could be used for these types of events and y'all still have the sales tax revenue going to the general fund.