Not only a new day in America we cleaned house in College Station politics.
Hope surrounds us.

For those of us who don't follow College Station Politics too closely, What's the rundown of what happened?

Not saying I agree or disagree with their politics, but McIlhaney and Shafer were both on the Planning & Zoning Commission this year, so I'm not sure how this is "cleaning house."

Edit: assuming cleaning house means all new people

hopeandrealchange said:

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b0ridi said:

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Not saying I agree or disagree with their politics, but McIlhaney and Shafer were both on the Planning & Zoning Commission this year, so I'm not sure how this is "cleaning house."

Edit: assuming cleaning house means all new people

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I would love to explain but the last time I spoke honestly and open on this forum I got banned.

hopeandrealchange said:

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hopeandrealchange said:

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b0ridi said:

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Not saying I agree or disagree with their politics, but McIlhaney and Shafer were both on the Planning & Zoning Commission this year, so I'm not sure how this is "cleaning house."

Edit: assuming cleaning house means all new people

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I would love to explain but the last time I spoke honestly and open on this forum I got banned.

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if you use only facts (not rumors) and do not get into personal attacks, you should be able to be open and honest.

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doubledog said:

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In other elections in Brazos County

• Proposition A (loose cattle)
  
  • For: 55,539 votes - 72%
  • Against: 21,502 votes
• Proposition B (all other loose livestock)
• For: 56,349 votes - 73%
• Against: 20,523 votes

https://www.kbtx.com/2024/11/06/brazos-county-votes-favor-new-live-stock-laws/

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I'm not sure the people understood the ramifications of these laws.

we already have laws about keeping livestock in. This law means that if someone runs through a ranchers fence and then drives off without informing rancher and cattle get out, then the rancher is liable.


"I've got cattle and I've got good fences, and I keep my cattle in. But there's an occasion when somebody runs through my fence or a tree may fall on it or something, and you get a cow or calf out in the roadway. Well, if it gets hit by a vehicle with this new law, you may be liable for it even though it's not your fault," Brazos County Judge Duane Peters explained.

91_Aggie said:

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doubledog said:

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In other elections in Brazos County

• Proposition A (loose cattle)
  
  • For: 55,539 votes - 72%
  • Against: 21,502 votes
• Proposition B (all other loose livestock)
• For: 56,349 votes - 73%
• Against: 20,523 votes

https://www.kbtx.com/2024/11/06/brazos-county-votes-favor-new-live-stock-laws/

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I'm not sure the people understood the ramifications of these laws.

we already have laws about keeping livestock in. This law means that if someone runs through a ranchers fence and then drives off without informing rancher and cattle get out, then the rancher is liable.


"I've got cattle and I've got good fences, and I keep my cattle in. But there's an occasion when somebody runs through my fence or a tree may fall on it or something, and you get a cow or calf out in the roadway. Well, if it gets hit by a vehicle with this new law, you may be liable for it even though it's not your fault," Brazos County Judge Duane Peters explained.

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Is that why there is a hold on the law?

Seems like the county might have known this before these things wound up on the ballot

I voted against it. The new law is somewhat redundant.

maroon barchetta said:

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I voted against it. The new law is somewhat redundant.

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Most new laws are exactly that.

I see what you are saying but unfortunately there is another side of the coin. There are some folks who keep cattle but don't feel the need to maintain much of a fence. If you are upset about how people voted I would look at those folks first. You only have to deal with the neighbor's cows so many times before you vote for this. That is why I voted for it.

cslifer said:

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I see what you are saying but unfortunately there is another side of the coin. There are some folks who keep cattle but don't feel the need to maintain much of a fence. If you are upset about how people voted I would look at those folks first. You only have to deal with the neighbor's cows so many times before you vote for this. That is why I voted for it.

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There's already laws to deal with that scenario

91_Aggie said:

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cslifer said:

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I see what you are saying but unfortunately there is another side of the coin. There are some folks who keep cattle but don't feel the need to maintain much of a fence. If you are upset about how people voted I would look at those folks first. You only have to deal with the neighbor's cows so many times before you vote for this. That is why I voted for it.

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There's already laws to deal with that scenario

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Can you point them out? The only laws I am aware of is when property is butted against state or US highways. I don't live on or against a state or US highway. One of my neighbors (who also isn't on a state or US highway) hasn't been the best about keeping his fence in great shape, and his bulls have ended up in my front yard. With my kids. You know what the county told me? Call your neighbor. If you harm his animal, you are liable. When asked what to do if I couldn't get a hold of my neighbor, I was told as long as the bull isn't on a highway, there is nothing they could do.

I will say though, I noticed new barbed wire along the back portion of the property line today where he usually let's it go to *****

I have a friend whose house backs up to a pasture and the cows have gotten out. They have damaged their front lawn with hooves and eating the grass, not to mention the "paddies". The owner says there's nothing he can do. Police/animal control have come out and says take it up with the owner. Owner hasn't done jack. What if that was YOUR cattle?

Prop A and B are not good law and not helpful. But we will survive. I'm sure they will be the justification for a few positions in the county that everyone will pay for.

91_Aggie said:

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doubledog said:

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In other elections in Brazos County

• Proposition A (loose cattle)
  
  • For: 55,539 votes - 72%
  • Against: 21,502 votes
• Proposition B (all other loose livestock)
• For: 56,349 votes - 73%
• Against: 20,523 votes

https://www.kbtx.com/2024/11/06/brazos-county-votes-favor-new-live-stock-laws/

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I'm not sure the people understood the ramifications of these laws.

we already have laws about keeping livestock in. This law means that if someone runs through a ranchers fence and then drives off without informing rancher and cattle get out, then the rancher is liable.


"I've got cattle and I've got good fences, and I keep my cattle in. But there's an occasion when somebody runs through my fence or a tree may fall on it or something, and you get a cow or calf out in the roadway. Well, if it gets hit by a vehicle with this new law, you may be liable for it even though it's not your fault," Brazos County Judge Duane Peters explained.

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Just curious, in the scenario you described where a tree damaged your fence, who should be liable if not the property owner?

Two of the three times cattle have damaged two separate properties of mine with hundreds of deep hoof prints in turf areas, the owners told me that it was MY responsibility to keep their cattle out, due to the free range law. Their attitudes made it easy for me to vote yes.

I would never quote Peters, for factual/accurate info...
Legal precedent exists, for closed range counties, where unless negligence is involved, the simple fact livestock are out does not automatically make the landowner liable.
https://agrilife.org/texasaglaw/2024/10/29/questions-from-tiffanys-desk-what-is-happening-with-the-stock-law-election-in-brazos-county/

So…the county approved the wording on the ballot, the initiative passes, the county judge puts out a statement where he is obviously against it, then magically legal has to review unspecified "issues"…that stinks to high heaven.

EBrazosAg said:

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Prop A and B are not good law and not helpful. But we will survive. I'm sure they will be the justification for a few positions in the county that everyone will pay for.

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They are helpful to me.

In the City of Bryan, all of the incumbent councilpersons that were up for reelection won. Based on the candidate forums I watched, I think Bryan got it right

Captn_Ag05 said:

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https://wtaw.com/results-of-two-brazos-county-special-election-questions-are-ruled-invalid/

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"Erratt says county officials will be seeking guidance from the secretary of state's office to conduct a special election if they receive a second round of qualified petitions."

Thats a pile of bull poop! The burden shouldn't be put back on the voters.

EBrazosAg said:

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Check out WTAW report. The vote has to be only by property owners in the county due to state law. Suspect the petition is limited in that way as well. Didn't happen so it's invalid. If a new petition is presented that meets the requirement it will be back on the ballot.

Wonder if the voter registration office has a mechanism to determine property ownership?

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And does a 50' city lot qualify as a property owner or is it a certain number of acres.