Rock Prairie Elem Principal?

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CS78
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Any idea what he did or where he is going? Article doesn't give much info.

https://www.kbtx.com/2025/04/08/college-station-isd-shares-more-information-about-principals-surprise-move-district/
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I would suspect that the principal was put on a growth plan for some performance issue and didn't meet the growth plan so they moved him. It doesn't sound like anything scandalous and likely not anything he would want drug through the news.
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Captn_Ag05 said:

I would suspect that the principal was put on a growth plan for some performance issue and didn't meet the growth plan so they moved him. It doesn't sound like anything scandalous and likely not anything he would wants drug through the news.


Even if he was bad at his job it doesn't make a whole lot of sense two months before school's out for the year. I'm sure he didn't do anything that would get him arrested (CSISD wouldn't protect someone like that) but it sure looks odd.
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That's exactly what it sounds like. They aren't moving him immediately. He'll be in a different role at a different campus next school year.
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Seems odd. I thought he was one of the more well respected principals in the area.
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CS78 said:

Seems odd. I thought he was one of the more well respected principals in the area.


People on FB are pissed, they are singing his praises.
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A lot of folks are really upset about it. I don't know the circumstances, so it's possible there were missed expectations that led to discipline/action. However, I'm also aware that there is growing concern and consternation over the superintendent, Harkrider. I'm quite familiar with how his policies are effecting the teachers and staff of CSISD and there's a lot of issues and policies that are causing a lot of pain for our teachers.

My in person review comes with a few more choice words, but I think I'm drastically understating when I say we struck out with our latest hire for superintendent. Harkrider has not not been good for our district at all and I can't wait to see him leave. I'm not going to make any statement of fact, but I'll say that the general consensus is that the principal stood up for his teachers, made the leadership angry, and they demoted him for it.
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JMac03 said:

CS78 said:

Seems odd. I thought he was one of the more well respected principals in the area.


People on FB are pissed, they are singing his praises.
There's a very vocal group of parents that are starting to be an issue. They're getting upset and raising hell over things they really don't understand.

A lot of those policies "affecting" the teachers are things that most other districts have been doing for years. CSISD was behind, in that regard.
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ElephantRider said:

JMac03 said:

CS78 said:

Seems odd. I thought he was one of the more well respected principals in the area.


People on FB are pissed, they are singing his praises.
There's a very vocal group of parents that are starting to be an issue. They're getting upset and raising hell over things they really don't understand.

A lot of those policies "affecting" the teachers are things that most other districts have been doing for years. CSISD was behind, in that regard.
I'd disagree completely with this take, and I'm assuming you're involved in the district at some level. Please feel free to educate us.

Not sure why you'd use the word "affecting" that way. It comes across like you're insinuating the teachers of our district aren't actually being impacted by these policy changes, and they're just complaining like they're bored housewives. If you think our teachers are complaining over nothing, state it clearly and back it up because I'd love to have that conversation.

The work loads are drastically up, the class sizes are increasing, I'm seeing a lot of changes that weren't done in the 10+ years prior to this that are all impacting teachers in a negative way, and a lot of them are leaving or considering it.
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ElephantRider said:

JMac03 said:

CS78 said:

Seems odd. I thought he was one of the more well respected principals in the area.


People on FB are pissed, they are singing his praises.
There's a very vocal group of parents that are starting to be an issue. They're getting upset and raising hell over things they really don't understand.

A lot of those policies "affecting" the teachers are things that most other districts have been doing for years. CSISD was behind, in that regard.


I am not one of those parents on FB, but why isn't the district being more open about these policies and explain them instead of providing a vague statement about why this change is being made.
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jwhitlock3 said:




Not sure why you'd use the word "affecting" that way.
I think that was in reference to you using it the wrong way ( "effecting")
Brian Alg
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Is there a good place to find out more about CSISD's involvement with Solution Tree and other PLCs or Professional Development programs? Like, how much they spend, what they use it for, any analysis of impact, etc.?

I am not familiar with how to find that kind of thing in the school districts. Hoping somebody else knows.

Edit: Dropping in this link and this link so I remember why I asked.
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My words are not intended to be disrespectful to any of the staid and venerable members of College Station City Council
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Because if it's an issue about a specific employee there are hundreds of ways to get in trouble if you say anything specific.
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jwhitlock3
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Clucky said:

jwhitlock3 said:




Not sure why you'd use the word "affecting" that way.
I think that was in reference to you using it the wrong way ( "effecting")
Thanks for clarifying, still waiting on the coffee to kick in, I'll "except" my public humiliation.
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I heard he stood up for a teacher over a parent on a decision and this prompted the move. Teachers are really having a difficult time with new policy demands and parent demands. You're going to see a lot of experienced teacher retire here sooner rather than later.
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Step son goes there and was there last year as well. While I can't say I've been overwhelmed with the performance of his homeroom teacher this year, the principal and all other teachers and staff I've dealt with could not seem like better people.

I have zero inside info on this other than knowing there's a lost of pissed off parents and faculty
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Wish we had investigative journalists in College Station. They can start with the horrible state that Harkrider left Willis ISD in.
Our school board needs to really get involved here and look at him closely and the people he brought in from Willis or previously worked at Willis.
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ElephantRider said:

JMac03 said:

CS78 said:

Seems odd. I thought he was one of the more well respected principals in the area.


People on FB are pissed, they are singing his praises.
There's a very vocal group of parents that are starting to be an issue. They're getting upset and raising hell over things they really don't understand.

A lot of those policies "affecting" the teachers are things that most other districts have been doing for years. CSISD was behind, in that regard.


This a bad take by someone who is the one who doesn't understand what is actually going on.
When so many GOOD teachers and Admins are leaving because of Harkriders running of things, it can't be chalked up to "troublemakers".
Look into his history
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91_Aggie said:

Wish we had investigative journalists in College Station. They can start with the horrible state that Harkrider left Willis ISD in.
Our school board needs to really get involved here and look at him closely and the people he brought in from Willis or previously worked at Willis.



The school board hired him. They should have done that prior to bringing him on board.
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maroon barchetta said:

91_Aggie said:

Wish we had investigative journalists in College Station. They can start with the horrible state that Harkrider left Willis ISD in.
Our school board needs to really get involved here and look at him closely and the people he brought in from Willis or previously worked at Willis.



The school board hired him. They should have done that prior to bringing him on board.


I agree. Not sure if same board or they don't want to.admit they screwed up... but they need to put their pride behind them. This is getting into Tommy Wallis territory

Here's a good barometer... teachers are looking to move from CSISD to BISD
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The rumor I heard is poor campus performance. The state has not released accountability ratings since the 21-22 school year but it is easy enough to calculate on your own and get within a few points. The state recently announced they will begin releasing ratings again and it is not looking good for Rock Prairie Elementary.
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chickencoupe16 said:

The rumor I heard is poor campus performance. The state has not released accountability ratings since the 21-22 school year but it is easy enough to calculate on your own and get within a few points. The state recently announced they will begin releasing ratings again and it is not looking good for Rock Prairie Elementary.
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Don't forget that when it comes to campus performance, Rock Prairie is now a Title I school which it has not always been.


ZTGA
91_Aggie
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Rock Prairie is Title 1 school. And it wasn't getting the extra staffing it needs for that (Harkrider's fault)... which is why some good teachers quit mid-year. And it has to be very bad for a good teacher to quit mid year as it has ramifications for future employment as a teacher.

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chickencoupe16 said:

The rumor I heard is poor campus performance. The state has not released accountability ratings since the 21-22 school year but it is easy enough to calculate on your own and get within a few points. The state recently announced they will begin releasing ratings again and it is not looking good for Rock Prairie Elementary.
Then why would parents be upset with him leaving? That doesn't make sense to me. I'm hearing something different.
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Harkrider only cares about the money. Its been evident from day one. Good luck.
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91_Aggie said:

ElephantRider said:

JMac03 said:

CS78 said:

Seems odd. I thought he was one of the more well respected principals in the area.


People on FB are pissed, they are singing his praises.
There's a very vocal group of parents that are starting to be an issue. They're getting upset and raising hell over things they really don't understand.

A lot of those policies "affecting" the teachers are things that most other districts have been doing for years. CSISD was behind, in that regard.


This a bad take by someone who is the one who doesn't understand what is actually going on.
When so many GOOD teachers and Admins are leaving because of Harkriders running of things, it can't be chalked up to "troublemakers".
Look into his history
I'm not defending Harkrider at all, I don't think he's a great superintendent. Class sizes being up and general lack of staffing are definitely something to complain about, but we can thank our politicians for that. Some of the things these parents are getting mad about (which are coming from the teachers) are pretty misguided, though . At my kids school, it's the PLCs. I know teachers in various districts across the state, and they all have PLCs and have no issues with them. And no, I'm not involved with the district in any capacity.
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ZachTheGoodAg said:

Don't forget that when it comes to campus performance, Rock Prairie is now a Title I school which it has not always been.


ZTGA
That sounds like a good thing. Is it not?
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AgTrip said:

chickencoupe16 said:

The rumor I heard is poor campus performance. The state has not released accountability ratings since the 21-22 school year but it is easy enough to calculate on your own and get within a few points. The state recently announced they will begin releasing ratings again and it is not looking good for Rock Prairie Elementary.
Then why would parents be upset with him leaving? That doesn't make sense to me. I'm hearing something different.

1) Just because some are upset doesn't mean that most are. Silent majority type thing.
2) Ratings have not been released yet and while the math is easy to do if you have the data, only school administrations have the data. The parents may not know the school is slipping.
3) The students most in danger of underperforming at school tend to be those whose parents underperform as parents. Note I said tend. This is of course not always the case for every student.
4) A major part of accountability is growth. A smart kid that only grows by 1% is still a smart kid but is falling behind peers.
5) Even when a parent knows a student is slipping due to the school, they may not see the problem as the principal.
6) Finally, the principal may be a really good person and even elementary principal but not what this specific school needs. If he excels at areas A, B, and C but his teachers and students really need help in D and E, it's not a good fit.

No idea if any of this actually fits this particular situation but there are many reasonable explanations to why he could be loved by parents but not adequately performing at his job.
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AggiePhil said:

ZachTheGoodAg said:

Don't forget that when it comes to campus performance, Rock Prairie is now a Title I school which it has not always been.


ZTGA
That sounds like a good thing. Is it not?
Title I is indicator that your students will be harder to educate for a multitude of reasons. If Rock Prairie always hovered just outside of the classification and is now just inside it, it is likely good because they have more funds to do basically the same job. If they were historically well above the cut off and/or are now well below, it is an indication that it will be more difficult to achieve their historical performance levels.

All that said, it is still possible to do a good job and score well with a Title I school.
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Here are some public board documents on how much the district has paid for solution tree so far. You can also find more online by googling 'CSISD Solution Tree'

https://web.csisd.org/school_board/agendas/2024-2025/July/ItemJ-1ShaferMemo-SolutionTreePD.pdf

https://web.csisd.org/school_board/agendas/2023-2024/January/ItemJ-4aAmy-SolutionTree.pdf

It also costs around 6-7k per day for their 'experts' to go and visit campuses and present information that isn't new to anybody. It is a huge money grab.
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chickencoupe16 said:

AggiePhil said:

ZachTheGoodAg said:

Don't forget that when it comes to campus performance, Rock Prairie is now a Title I school which it has not always been.


ZTGA
That sounds like a good thing. Is it not?
Title I is indicator that your students will be harder to educate for a multitude of reasons. If Rock Prairie always hovered just outside of the classification and is now just inside it, it is likely good because they have more funds to do basically the same job. If they were historically well above the cut off and/or are now well below, it is an indication that it will be more difficult to achieve their historical performance levels.

All that said, it is still possible to do a good job and score well with a Title I school.


Not when the administration at the very top level is actively hindering the process
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Captn_Ag05 said:

I would suspect that the principal was put on a growth plan for some performance issue and didn't meet the growth plan so they moved him. It doesn't sound like anything scandalous and likely not anything he would wants drug through the news.


This is exactly what it was.
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91_Aggie said:

chickencoupe16 said:

AggiePhil said:

ZachTheGoodAg said:

Don't forget that when it comes to campus performance, Rock Prairie is now a Title I school which it has not always been.


ZTGA
That sounds like a good thing. Is it not?
Title I is indicator that your students will be harder to educate for a multitude of reasons. If Rock Prairie always hovered just outside of the classification and is now just inside it, it is likely good because they have more funds to do basically the same job. If they were historically well above the cut off and/or are now well below, it is an indication that it will be more difficult to achieve their historical performance levels.

All that said, it is still possible to do a good job and score well with a Title I school.


Not when the administration at the very top level is actively hindering the process
Certainly true, but who knows if that's the case?
91_Aggie
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chickencoupe16 said:

91_Aggie said:

chickencoupe16 said:

AggiePhil said:

ZachTheGoodAg said:

Don't forget that when it comes to campus performance, Rock Prairie is now a Title I school which it has not always been.


ZTGA
That sounds like a good thing. Is it not?
Title I is indicator that your students will be harder to educate for a multitude of reasons. If Rock Prairie always hovered just outside of the classification and is now just inside it, it is likely good because they have more funds to do basically the same job. If they were historically well above the cut off and/or are now well below, it is an indication that it will be more difficult to achieve their historical performance levels.

All that said, it is still possible to do a good job and score well with a Title I school.


Not when the administration at the very top level is actively hindering the process
Certainly true, but who knows if that's the case?


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