Another dogs in public places rant….[Staff Edit]

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kevmiller
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This was in HEB tower point today.
Why do we allow this?
What about those allergic to dogs or that don't care for dogs? I understand that's the minority but what about them.


Why is this allowed again?
HEB.. why do you allow this

Is it not a health department violation to have a dog inside a place that serves / sells food ??

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woodiewood1
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It takes a certain level of mentality to take a pet to the grocery store just for the fun of it.

I wish I still had my pet Llama.
happyinBCS
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I agree totally it should be stopped immediately

I sent it to my son in law that has 28 years with the company and will respond when he shares his thoughts
happyinBCS
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from my son in law with 28 years of service

"Service animals must be carried or walked they are not allowed to ride in the basket"

and added

" Only a store leader can tell someone to leave but anyone can tell the customer the company policy HIPPA laws come in to play if it is a service dog "

he went on to say if they (the customer) continue to question that they should remove the dog if it barks at them, they ask the customers to leave the store

I hope this helps and just FYI Mike is the tower point manager and has been with the company over 40 years and is a great guy
trouble
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HIPAA has nothing to do with asking if an animal is a service animal or if it has a task it performs. You can't ask what it's for or what the task is though.

HIPAA covers you from your medical team telling anyone your private medical information. Nothing else.
Gunner0740
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As someone in the opposite side of the argument. Who cares? Are you seriously more concerned with the balls of someone's dog than the fingers of someone's toddler. I'd argue that those fingers on a basket are way more of an unknown that an animals genitals. And if the dog was creating that large of an issue wouldn't someone have said something about it? And if you were that allergic, why wouldn't you have said something to the people working in the store at the time that you took a picture of the dog within feet of it?
woodiewood1
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Gunner0740 said:

As someone in the opposite side of the argument. Who cares? Are you seriously more concerned with the balls of someone's dog than the fingers of someone's toddler. I'd argue that those fingers on a basket are way more of an unknown that an animals genitals. And if the dog was creating that large of an issue wouldn't someone have said something about it? And if you were that allergic, why wouldn't you have said something to the people working in the store at the time that you took a picture of the dog within feet of it?
Sometimes a parent has no choice but to take their children into a store. Few people have to take a dog into a store and parade it around in the cart.
BiochemAg97
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trouble said:

HIPAA has nothing to do with asking if an animal is a service animal or if it has a task it performs. You can't ask what it's for or what the task is though.

HIPAA covers you from your medical team telling anyone your private medical information. Nothing else.


ADA, on the other hand, does cover what can/can't be asked regarding a service animal.

It also says that a service animal has to be allowed, but only service animals and not "emotional support" animals.
MsDoubleD81
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I would say that a baby's butt sitting in the seat and burst its diaper could be worse.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AbSDhVDJT/
DWren
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Gunner0740 said:

As someone in the opposite side of the argument. Who cares? Are you seriously more concerned with the balls of someone's dog than the fingers of someone's toddler. I'd argue that those fingers on a basket are way more of an unknown that an animals genitals. And if the dog was creating that large of an issue wouldn't someone have said something about it? And if you were that allergic, why wouldn't you have said something to the people working in the store at the time that you took a picture of the dog within feet of it?


People like you trying to normalize this is puzzling to me.
You don't need to take your dog into the grocery store. End of discussion .

We have to get away from taking dogs everywhere and no rules
One Louder
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I'm gonna take my derpy Siberian Husky into Tower Point and push some boundaries in the way of fur shedding and disregard of personal space. I mean, if they can bring their dog, I should be able to, right?
FlyRod
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A lot of folks need to just chill and go pet a dog!
birdman
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Those dogs may not be service dogs, but they provide valuable service to.me. Those dogs instantly let me know who the obnoxious weirdos are from a distance.

If you go to hardware store on the weekend, it seems like half the people have a dog with them.
Gunner0740
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Was the dog standing on top of the potatoes and licking the zucchini? Was it marking its territory on the precut deli meat? Was it obnoxiously barking? Did it poop in the frozen pizza aisle? Did you find dog hair on your pack of chicken breasts? My point is if it was just sitting in the basket minding its own business, then what does it matter?

People like you, getting upset about something that has no bearing on your life whatsoever, is puzzling to me also. I'm not trying to normalize bringing dogs anywhere, I'm simply asking, if it was just chilling in a basket what problem does it pose to you other than you don't like it?
Gunner0740
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I never indicated or argued that a parent shouldn't bring their child into a store. What I said was, your child's fingers are probably worse than that dog sitting on its own blanket. Kids touch anything and everything. The point was that children's hands are gross, probably more so than a dogs feet. The point was not that a parent shouldn't bring their child into the grocery store.
Queso1
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I love all animals. But dogs in these places pisses me off. But it's not the dog that annoys me. It's the people who think they can do whatever they want. I put the pajamas in public people in the same boat.
Stucco
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I'm suddenly very thankful they provide the cart wipes.
scd88
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Gunner0740 said:

Was the dog standing on top of the potatoes and licking the zucchini? Was it marking its territory on the precut deli meat? Was it obnoxiously barking? Did it poop in the frozen pizza aisle? Did you find dog hair on your pack of chicken breasts? My point is if it was just sitting in the basket minding its own business, then what does it matter?

People like you, getting upset about something that has no bearing on your life whatsoever, is puzzling to me also. I'm not trying to normalize bringing dogs anywhere, I'm simply asking, if it was just chilling in a basket what problem does it pose to you other than you don't like it?


Ludicrous. There are social boundaries and taking a dog to a grocery store crosses that line. It's that simple. What's next? More dogs in grocery stores, this time walking down the aisles? What happens when one of them pisses on the deli case? That's OK, though, right; because you didn't need anything from the deli that day.
happyinBCS
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because they don't give a damn about anyone, which of course is the problem that is the way they live their lives and stores should not allow it. especially grocery stores
doubledog
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woodiewood1 said:


Yep. There was a couple walking through Lowes last weekend with both having two dogs each about 45 pounds...large dogs on leases. When they walked through the store people had to walk around them and loop around displays to avoid the dogs.

Why on earth would people bring there four dogs to the store?
Lowes allows dogs. I do not know about Home Depot.
MsDoubleD81
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There is a local dog trainer who holds classes at both Lowes and Home Depot.
woodiewood1
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doubledog said:

woodiewood1 said:


Yep. There was a couple walking through Lowes last weekend with both having two dogs each about 45 pounds...large dogs on leases. When they walked through the store people had to walk around them and loop around displays to avoid the dogs.

Why on earth would people bring there four dogs to the store?
Lowes allows dogs. I do not know about Home Depot.
I didn't say they should or shouldn't. Just wondering why a couple would bother to bring four large dogs into a store and walk the aisles with them.
b0ridi
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<Reposting in deleted thread since the deleted thread was resurrected and the new, sanitized thread is now the deleted one>

Spotted this morning! Of course, the employees have to enforce it for it to be meaningful...


woodiewood1
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I emailed HEB corporate and here is what I got back.

"Partners, vendors, and customers who depend on service animals are always welcome on our properties and in our stores. H-E-B follows all regulations and if a customer states they have a service animal, then the service animal should be allowed in the store without any additional questions or requests for documentation.

If the animal is unsanitary, disruptive, or poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others (including aggressive behavior), H-E-B leadership can request the customer remove the animal from the store.

For food safety reasons, we don't allow service animals to sit or ride in shopping carts. However, some service animals are required to be near the disabled customer's face or upper body, and the animal is typically carried off the ground in a chest/body harness. In such situations, if the disabled customer can't carry the service animal, then the customer should be allowed to place the service animal in the shopping cart."
Belton Ag
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What kind of life are you living, really, if you have to go around with dog strapped to your face?
Gunner0740
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So by HEB's own policy, these people possibly did nothing wrong and abided by the stores policy. Maybe we should've checked with the people before photographing, posting, and blasting them online…
EliteElectric
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Belton Ag said:

What kind of life are you living, really, if you have to go around with dog strapped to your face?
usually the kind of life that makes relationships with animals more important than people.
scd88
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Gunner0740 said:

So by HEB's own policy, these people possibly did nothing wrong and abided by the stores policy. Maybe we should've checked with the people before photographing, posting, and blasting them online…


Did Fifi look like a service dog to you? It didn't it to me and I'll stand by that. Nope - they deserve to be blasted. I have a dog; but I'd never take him to HEB or even Lowe's.

If someone can't go to the grocery store without their dog, perhaps they should just get curbside.

ETA - Fifi was riding in the cart with a padded seat courtesy of its owner bringing a blanket. That part is clearly against the rules. If a person can't put a dog on a leash on public then that person should not be out in public.
kevmiller
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Gunner0740 said:

So by HEB's own policy, these people possibly did nothing wrong and abided by the stores policy. Maybe we should've checked with the people before photographing, posting, and blasting them online…


Clearly says no dogs in basket
Picture before staff removed it clearly showed dog in the basket
It was not a service dog.

Maybe you should know the facts before commenting
MiMi
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Even if it was a service dog, it is still not allowed in the cart.
Gunner0740
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Not sure what exactly a service dog looks like without it having a vest but by HEBs own policy if the patron cannot carry the dog in a chest harness then it is allowed in the cart. Without asking the people in the photo whether they were capable or carrying the dog and asking if the dog was a service dog then we have no idea if they were abiding by or violating said policy.
Gunner0740
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Not true. The dog is allowed in the basket if the owner cannot carry it in a chest harness if the dog needs to be close to their head/face. Without knowing these peoples issue then you have no idea if they were violating HEB guidelines.

And just for the record, I've read the "facts" and saw the photo. Been following since the thread started so I've been commenting while knowing the facts. Thanks for the advice though….
BCSWguru
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LOL.
DWren
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Gunner0740 said:

Not true. The dog is allowed in the basket if the owner cannot carry it in a chest harness if the dog needs to be close to their head/face. Without knowing these peoples issue then you have no idea if they were violating HEB guidelines.

And just for the record, I've read the "facts" and saw the photo. Been following since the thread started so I've been commenting while knowing the facts. Thanks for the advice though….


Per the picture posted , by HEB guideline . Still not allowed in the basket.
Doesn't matter if it's a service dog or not
happyinBCS
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100% correct
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