CS staff gets paid (though city council does not)

In the last 35 years Texas A&M added 35k students. They added 1k beds on campus.


I dont think it takes a math degree to see how creating 30k bed demands creates a strain on the community around the campus.

EliteElectric said:

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Rapier108 said:

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hopeandrealchange said:

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scd88 said:

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And have you any of you landlords been to central Austin and dealt with that **** show? The ADU's clog of streets and crapify neighborhoods. There's nowhere to park or walk.

Southgate will turn into a rash of section 8 looking streets. This will be fun. Then all the "adults" will be forced to move out further but hey let's make sure the developers and realtors keep making money off us dumb residents. **** all of them.

This bill is garbage and only brought on by a pissed off A&M student.

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I disagree with your opinion of what will happen to the Southside.
I own several homes in the southside historic area.
My rental homes outshine many of the owner occupied homes. Let the free market work its magic.
If my homes don't have adequate parking or if they are not maintained in any way they will not rent.
If they don't rent I can't afford the taxes unlike my elderly neighbors whose taxes are a small percentage of mine.

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And for every good landlord, there are as many if not more bad ones who will happily rent a house to 6, 8, 10+ students just to make a buck.

And it won't just be Southgate. It will quickly spread throughout much B/CS.

Students move in and trash a neighborhood, or drive out residents with incessant noise.

Eventually they destroy the neighborhood and it gets torn down and turned into more Ags Shacks, or become low income/section 8 type housing.

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Hyperbole much?

Students have been here for over 100 years, the NMT4 rule has only recently (loosely I might add) been enforced. Where are these neighborhoods that these locust-like students have destroyed?

Look, we all choose to live in a college community, in the relative peace and financial stability that that institution provides us. We are insulated from most economic calamities, largely due to the big school. Most of us love it here, because of the big school and it's insularly effects. Let's not forget that when trying to torch and pitchfork college kids doing what college kids do, pile up in one house and have a good time.

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Is this serious.
They haven't destroyed any neighborhoods...because they haven't been able to. This isnt that complicated.

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Brian Alg said:

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The idea that it is okay to use taxpayer resources to attack someone's neighbors for having the wrong family structure is so foreign to me

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Great. Nobody has answered my questions and therefore pointed out where taxpayer money is being used to "enforce" the rules that are in place.

People talk about free market and such, but nobody has addressed the details. Oh, and when will Pebble Creek have its first Ag Shack? Damn those deed restrictions and HOA's (which are another issue, but still a "rule") there. I'm sure they are screwed, too.

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One of the ways that this is being enforced is that concerned citizens are monitoring students' cars. If they have more than 4 cars parked outside multiple days in a row, they report it to the city. The city then asks to see the lease. If there are more than 4 on the lease, someone has to move out or there are daily fines. Students have had to move out mid semester. There is a report from a local realtor detailing all of this, including tons of pictures taken of students' cars. Another thing that the city does to try and enforce this is not allowing certain things when people apply for permits to remodel or build. For example, if you have a 4 bedroom house, you will not be allowed to add an office, bonus room, etc because they think you might be trying to use it as another bedroom.

HOA's are not affected by the bill and will still be allowed to have their own restrictions.

texagbeliever said:

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In the last 35 years Texas A&M added 35k students. They added 1k beds on campus.


I dont think it takes a math degree to see how creating 30k bed demands creates a strain on the community around the campus.

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Hullabaloo Hall added 640 beds
https://reslife.tamu.edu/hullabaloo-hall/

White Creek Apartments added another 1266 beds (or 1272 cited elsewhere).

That's over 1900 beds. Not 1000.

If you are going to throw numbers out, maybe Google for 30 seconds first.

texagbeliever said:

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Brian Alg said:

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The idea that it is okay to use taxpayer resources to attack someone's neighbors for having the wrong family structure is so foreign to me

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Yeah no one is attacking family structures. They are trying to limit the destruction of neigh orhoods because of quick buck seeking "investors"

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three dudes living together: "they're destroying the neighborhood!"
Two get married: "thank goodness that horror show is over with!"
It's bananas

GoSummer said:

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scd88 said:

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Brian Alg said:

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The idea that it is okay to use taxpayer resources to attack someone's neighbors for having the wrong family structure is so foreign to me

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Great. Nobody has answered my questions and therefore pointed out where taxpayer money is being used to "enforce" the rules that are in place.

People talk about free market and such, but nobody has addressed the details. Oh, and when will Pebble Creek have its first Ag Shack? Damn those deed restrictions and HOA's (which are another issue, but still a "rule") there. I'm sure they are screwed, too.

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One of the ways that this is being enforced is that concerned citizens are monitoring students' cars. If they have more than 4 cars parked outside multiple days in a row, they report it to the city. The city then asks to see the lease. If there are more than 4 on the lease, someone has to move out or there are daily fines. Students have had to move out mid semester. There is a report from a local realtor detailing all of this, including tons of pictures taken of students' cars. Another thing that the city does to try and enforce this is not allowing certain things when people apply for permits to remodel or build. For example, if you have a 4 bedroom house, you will not be allowed to add an office, bonus room, etc because they think you might be trying to use it as another bedroom.

HOA's are not affected by the bill and will still be allowed to have their own restrictions.

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I appreciate the thoughtful response. Yeah, I'm not a fan of the squealing at all. I don't have a problem with 7/8 kids in a house, either assuming parking is not an issue. It's a pain in the ass on Francis right at Munson, for example as it creates some issues at a busy intersection.

My problem is the clear targeting of one community in this bill. Municipalities were carved out of it as it progressed through the voting process and here we are with a shady bill. And whether you like what it's doing or not, the structure of it and the spineless politicians who are involved with getting it here cannot be defended.

Of course a realtor is going to highlight a very sporadic issue and make it sound like it's a widespread deal. Of course they are. Same with the Ag Shack builders. Can't stop that money stream, right?

I live on a block where a ROO was recently approved. I'd like for that to be maintained because the necessary votes (free market, right?) were obtained to put that in place. The number of houses under a ROO is a mere fraction of what isn't. My understanding is politicians from across the state have now voided that. I could be wrong since this is an extra layer but I do t think so.

The landlords, realtors, and developers get no shade thrown at them, but the people who live here certainly do. That's kinda crappy.

I think a lot of folks in BCS make the equivalent in logic that college kids living in their hoods means destroying them. My experience as a landlord is similar to yours.

hopeandrealchange said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Brian Alg said:

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The idea that it is okay to use taxpayer resources to attack someone's neighbors for having the wrong family structure is so foreign to me

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Yeah no one is attacking family structures. They are trying to limit the destruction of neigh orhoods because of quick buck seeking "investors"

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Who is they? And what right do "They" have to tell their neighbors what they can and can't do with their own property that is not already in restrictions or covenants.

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People who don't want to be surrounded by party houses, dealing with noise all night long (music, vehicles, yelling, screaming, etc.) and the trash they always leave behind.

People who bought a home to spend their lives in should not be run out of it just to make students and investors happy. Those home owners have right too.

Blackrock and Blackstone Investment are two entities who are spending billions to buy single family homes around the country to turn them into rental properties. There are other private equality firms doing the same. They don't really care how much they pay, within reason, so them buying the homes at inflated prices hurts in other ways,

Not only does this drive up the cost of homes, it drives up the appraised value, and thus drives up property taxes. It is also pricing people out of being able to afford a home.

This law will make B/CS a prime target for private equity firms to come in and buy up every home they can get their hands on.

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texagbeliever said:

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In the last 35 years Texas A&M added 35k students. They added 1k beds on campus.


I dont think it takes a math degree to see how creating 30k bed demands creates a strain on the community around the campus.

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How many Northgate high rises went up during that time?

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Not nearly enough. That's why 6 are frantically going up as we speak.

Rapier108 said:

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Blackrock and Blackstone Investment are two entities who are spending billions to buy single family homes around the country to turn them into rental properties. There are other private equality firms doing the same. They don't really care how much they pay, within reason, so them buying the homes at inflated prices hurts in other ways,

Not only does this drive up the cost of homes, it drives up the appraised value, and thus drives up property taxes. It is also pricing people out of being able to afford a home.

This law will make B/CS a prime target for private equity firms to come in and buy up every home they can get their hands on.

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I've got news for you. Two out of three beds in CoSta are already rented. Investors have been buying them up for years, friend. Years. Twice when we sold in town our places were bought by investors, and I know we're not alone in that experience. This law is not going to change anything in that regard.

Buying a house in this town is incredibly difficult for a first time homebuyer. We thought we were buying a starter home and with the climate I'm worried it may be more than that. We were getting outbid by cash offers after offering over asking only hours after houses went up for sale. Rent signs went up shortly after those houses sold.

A friend of mine in a nicer neighborhood had some of our baseball players living down the road from him. It was a pretty nice house so we looked up the CAD. Two dudes from Missouri.

I don't know how, with all of the new neighborhoods and apartment complexes going up, the demand has stayed as high as it has.

I know for a fact that PE has been buying RE since at least 2012 in CS. If you plot housing price increase before 2012 and after you will see their influence.

The problem isn't so much the number of roommates. The issue I have seen is when 5 roommates have 5 friends over and then there are 10 vehicles at a residence that was originally set up to hold 4 in the driveway and 2 in front of the house. The extra 80 ft of vehicles has to go somewhere.

maroon barchetta said:

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texagbeliever said:

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In the last 35 years Texas A&M added 35k students. They added 1k beds on campus.


I dont think it takes a math degree to see how creating 30k bed demands creates a strain on the community around the campus.

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Hullabaloo Hall added 640 beds
https://reslife.tamu.edu/hullabaloo-hall/

White Creek Apartments added another 1266 beds (or 1272 cited elsewhere).

That's over 1900 beds. Not 1000.

If you are going to throw numbers out, maybe Google for 30 seconds first.

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Plus another 3406 at Park West.

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Buying a house in this town is incredibly difficult for a first time homebuyer. We thought we were buying a starter home and with the climate I'm worried it may be more than that. We were getting outbid by cash offers after offering over asking only hours after houses went up for sale. Rent signs went up shortly after those houses sold.

A friend of mine in a nicer neighborhood had some of our baseball players living down the road from him. It was a pretty nice house so we looked up the CAD. Two dudes from Missouri.

I don't know how, with all of the new neighborhoods and apartment complexes going up, the demand has stayed as high as it has.

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the combination of misuse of zoning (keeping complimentary use and development away from the campus), restrictions such as the NMt4, and and overbearing and unpredictable regulatory system have predictably, if not intentionally, suppressed supply of housing and commercial development where it would most benefit the city.

hopeandrealchange said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Brian Alg said:

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The idea that it is okay to use taxpayer resources to attack someone's neighbors for having the wrong family structure is so foreign to me

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Yeah no one is attacking family structures. They are trying to limit the destruction of neigh orhoods because of quick buck seeking "investors"

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Who is they? And what right do "They" have to tell their neighbors what they can and can't do with their own property that is not already in restrictions or covenants.

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Why have a local government at all? College station literally passed laws to ban it. The residents didn't seek to overturn it and elect new officials. That is a part of our social construct.

Why people are like I want Texas representatives who likely spend 0 time in college station to tell college station how it should run it's city makes no sense. It is absurdly stupid and anti limited small government.

maroon barchetta said:

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texagbeliever said:

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In the last 35 years Texas A&M added 35k students. They added 1k beds on campus.


I dont think it takes a math degree to see how creating 30k bed demands creates a strain on the community around the campus.

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Hullabaloo Hall added 640 beds
https://reslife.tamu.edu/hullabaloo-hall/

White Creek Apartments added another 1266 beds (or 1272 cited elsewhere).

That's over 1900 beds. Not 1000.

If you are going to throw numbers out, maybe Google for 30 seconds first.

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Oh you got me 1900 not 1000. So the delta is 30k not 31k. That totally changes things. Eye roll.

texagbeliever said:

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hopeandrealchange said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Brian Alg said:

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The idea that it is okay to use taxpayer resources to attack someone's neighbors for having the wrong family structure is so foreign to me

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Yeah no one is attacking family structures. They are trying to limit the destruction of neigh orhoods because of quick buck seeking "investors"

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Who is they? And what right do "They" have to tell their neighbors what they can and can't do with their own property that is not already in restrictions or covenants.

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Why have a local government at all? College station literally passed laws to ban it. The residents didn't seek to overturn it and elect new officials. That is a part of our social construct.

Why people are like I want Texas representatives who likely spend 0 time in college station to tell college station how it should run it's city makes no sense. It is absurdly stupid and anti limited small government.

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Somebody needs to read Article II of the Texas Constitution.

texagbeliever said:

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maroon barchetta said:

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texagbeliever said:

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In the last 35 years Texas A&M added 35k students. They added 1k beds on campus.


I dont think it takes a math degree to see how creating 30k bed demands creates a strain on the community around the campus.

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Hullabaloo Hall added 640 beds
https://reslife.tamu.edu/hullabaloo-hall/

White Creek Apartments added another 1266 beds (or 1272 cited elsewhere).

That's over 1900 beds. Not 1000.

If you are going to throw numbers out, maybe Google for 30 seconds first.

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Oh you got me 1900 not 1000. So the delta is 30k not 31k. That totally changes things. Eye roll.

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And the 3000+ at Park West I forgot.

Don't you also forget.

There are quite a few in Bryan I would not describe as "close to campus," but maybe distance is relative.

Park west is off campus. So no I won't forget it. It didn't meet the criteria.

Sure they can micromanage but they shouldn't. Just like a boss shouldn't stand over your shoulder as you work. If they were being good stewards they could crack down on any of the major cities openly failing to provide proper safety and rule of law. But no, that is too conservative so instead they want to micromanage one small city to bully.